Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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I can get a nice discount on the Sammy UHD player with points from this purchase but they won't get posted until 30 days later. I should have one by June when movie release weeks start getting expensive.
June 7th
Independence Day 4K
The Martian: Extended Edition 4K
Ghostbusters I and II 4K
Journey to Space 3D and 4K combo
June 14th
Star Trek 4K
Star Trek Into Darkness 4K
If a Dolby Vision capable player gets announced I may hold off though. Universal are going to release some DV titles later this year and wouldn't be surprised if Disney did as well. I have plenty of 3D Blu-rays to keep me busy until then.
June 7th
Independence Day 4K
The Martian: Extended Edition 4K
Ghostbusters I and II 4K
Journey to Space 3D and 4K combo
June 14th
Star Trek 4K
Star Trek Into Darkness 4K
If a Dolby Vision capable player gets announced I may hold off though. Universal are going to release some DV titles later this year and wouldn't be surprised if Disney did as well. I have plenty of 3D Blu-rays to keep me busy until then.
I was going to wait and see what the PS4K is capable of. My guess is Sony will use it as another Trojan horse.
You won't be disappointed. It fixed the only real flaw with the EF9500 for some, the input lag. I tested it out at Best Buy with a friend, 34ms. And it is one of the prettiest tv's ever aesthetically too.
Just a heads up, that tv like the Sony 940D doesn't have a unilateral market price at those stores so if they want a sale BBY will play ball with Cleveland Plasma. Much safer return policy and exchange with defects and LG won't give a hassle if you have a warranty claim.
Same here. I don't really buy movies on disk anymore except my absolute favorites. It would be more about rental for me so I'm hoping to maximize my money by just upgrading to the PSK4K.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
That's what I'm waiting for as well.
Until then regular BR looks fine on my TV. The top end manufacturers seem to all have really good upscaling engines like Samsung and Sony. So I'm cool with it for now.
Weapon of War
Member
A few weeks back I was debating between a 55 inch Vizio P series and LG's 55 inch OLED (55eg9100). I ended up going with the OLED and set it up yesterday. My initial impressions are all very positive. I've never seen an LCD produce a picture like this before. Input lag was one of my concerns before purchase, but after testing it out on game mode with games like Resogun I am happy to report I haven't experienced any perceivable lag. I'm sure there are some out there that will notice it, but thankfully I'm not one of those.
If anyone is on the fence about this TV, I'd highly recommend it.
If anyone is on the fence about this TV, I'd highly recommend it.
DJ Lushious
Member
Yeah, I don't agree with you at all. Rec.2020 will be a feature in next year's set. I'm not saying manufacturers are going to hit 100% Rec.2020, but they are certainly going to hit >DCI-P3.
Jigolo
Member
Yeah I misunderstood. I took your post as manufacturers will hit full Rec.2020 by next year which is definitely not happening.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Shit won't be settled settled for a few more years honestly.
Just pull the trigger when you feel the need as long as your gonna be happy with the set. The internet can always make you have buyers remorse.
Just pull the trigger when you feel the need as long as your gonna be happy with the set. The internet can always make you have buyers remorse.
Just a heads-up, I was actully looking at some of the "4K" movie releases recently and, apparently, they're not truly 4K. In many cases, they're up-resed 2K (displayed as 4K). Pretty disappointing...
My wife found a 65 inch samsung 9000 65 inch for $2900. I sent her to buy the Vizio P65-c1, and she brought back with the samsung 9000. She brought it because to her, the Samsung looks better than the new Vizio. I was about to send the TV back for the Vizio, but it does have good quality. Im hopeless...lol.
I'll be selective in what I buy in order to avoid the lazy upconversions. There are exceptions like The Martian where the disc is sourced from a 4K master that was rebuilt using various 4K and higher camera sources along with the 2K digital effects. There is a lot more to UHD Blu-ray than just resolution bump though. The move from 8 bit to 10 bit, improved color gamut and HDR will all add to the improvement. The movies I posted are all from 4K masters.
How can you tell which are upconversions and ones that are truly remastered in 4K?
Im guessing the info will be embedded into the reviews and you wont be able to tell on the packaging.
Over at Blu-Ray.com they mention in the review whether the transfer was sourced from 2K, 4K or otherwise.
http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/
Ok, thanks.
DJ Lushious
Member
No worries. Even now there's not a 4K HDTV that hits 100% DCI-P3. LG claims "99%" on their new OLEDs, but all of the reviews I have read for the G6 says ~92%.
I want to pull the trigger on a 4K *so* bad, but I don't think this year is the right time for the above reasons.
I wouldn't get too disheartened by some UHDs not being true 4K. There are quite a few movies that were released in theaters at only 2K. The Martian is one that immediately comes to mind.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Someone posted a site earlier that just simply listed what 4k blurays real resolutions were. Can't remember if it was here or on the AVForums, but there's a site out there.
I only own two so far, Mad Max and Revenant. I know Mad Max is up-converted, and it doesn't really blow me away. Granted, it's also a grainier dirty looking movie on purpose. Revenant looks absolutely fucking amazing, though. Don't know if it is legit 4k or not, but fuck, it's the best looking movie I've ever seen.
I only own two so far, Mad Max and Revenant. I know Mad Max is up-converted, and it doesn't really blow me away. Granted, it's also a grainier dirty looking movie on purpose. Revenant looks absolutely fucking amazing, though. Don't know if it is legit 4k or not, but fuck, it's the best looking movie I've ever seen.
Please post impressions when you get it. That's my next TV.
You and I are in the exact same boat. I have a Sony SXRD (60”
that I am looking to upgrade (because it has gone bad). I’ve loved this TV, but it’s gotten to the point that 90% of the screen is a piss-yellow.And I am looking at the exact same TV, please do let us know how you like it.
Well, the 9500 had a few other flaws, as well. Vignetting, the yellow stain and worse banding to name a few.
One thing I am concerned about is how it will handle upscaling from 1080 (and 720) content and compression (artifacting) from my cable service. I would say at least 85% of my TV watching is from recorded programs (to my DVR) from broadcast TV.
I asked my mate who worked on Revenant yesterday and he said it was finished in 4K
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=270798
You can search through that thread since discussion take place for most of the titles that get added to the list.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
As a fellow SXRD owner, I wanted to warn you that cable/satellite sources are going to look somewhat worse in some ways on a flat panel TV. I've tried at least 10 different flat panel TVs (Plasmas & LCDs) in my quest to replace the SXRD, and Cable had more visible artifacting, aliasing, and worse dark scene performance on the FP sets, though that's not why I returned them. It's not really a "fault" in those sets. Basically, FP sets expose flaws in the signal more more easily. I'm not 100% sure why that is, but I have my theories.
- The SXRD is old and the scaler is especially tuned to make older SD and 720p content look good.
- Due to the nature of the tech, the blacks on a rear-projection aren't especially black, so maybe that hides some of the dark screen noise and artifacting.
- The nature of the 3-chip projection in SXRD can help smooth out rough details because it's basically impossible to get all 3 lined up 100% perfectly so there is always a tiny amount of convergence offset. While this is only directly visible when you are looking at white text and other sharp edged objects inches from the screen, from a normal seating distance it gives movies and TV a wonderful smooth filmic quality and also lessens the severity of aliasing during gaming. Of course that is a trade-off. If you've ever tried hooking up a PC to the SXRD and using Windows at 1080p, it's apparent that small on-screen fonts are a little fuzzy and hard to read at a distance.
ScepticMatt
Member
Everyone should stop worrying about 98 or 99% P3.
P3 red is single wavelength, so nothing is going to hit 100% of P3. In fact P3 isn't even a perfect subset of Rec.2020. Not that it matters though because the sensitivity of the visual system is limited.
Valid points, though the "master" distinction loses some merit when it's downsampled from a 5K Master, to 2K, then upped to 4K.
As it stands, that's the current state of affairs. Perhaps the fine print reveals the truth, but the bolded marketing clearly claims "4K."
The Martian is precisely the movie I was planning on purchasing when I came across the aforementioned info. The "4K" version is nearly three times the price for (quick math, don't crucify me) approximately 128 additional lines of resolution, admittedly 100,000 pixels or so, but still...
This post doesn't inspire me with confidence to upgrade to the E6. Although I guess I'd have this problem with any TV I would purchase.
I just think it sucks that in buying a newer and more expensive TV, the picture potentially is actually going to look worse in content I will watch a high majority of.
PeterVenkman
Member
The 55" B6 OLED is now available for pre-order here in Norway.
The price? 45,000 NOK.
That's 5580 USD, or 3825 GBP.
Wow.
Ouch. That's insane!
Thank you! I know! Only one store so far, though. Hopefully they'll lower the price before release. That's 33%+ more expensive than e.g. US.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Exactly. I'm not trying to dissuade you from purchasing the E6. I'm just trying to prepare you so you know what to expect, and also let you know that other flat panels aren't going to be much if any better in this regard. I wouldn't want you to return the set thinking another FP would be better. The truth is cable/satellite is just compressed to hell and looks worse on a high-quality flat panel display. The SXRD is just good at hiding it. On the bright side, blu-rays are going to look amazing on the new set, small fonts will no longer cause eye-strain in games, and overscan will no longer plague your gaming and PC use.
Well, that’s good about the quality of blu-ray (I will agree with that, from what I’ve seen at the store, upscaled blu-ray looks fabulous) and especially no issues with overscan. That’s something that has plagued me more than once with my TV.
However, it worries me hearing about your issues with broadcast TV. Just for the fact that is 85-90% of my TV viewing. I record a lot of shows and watch them off my DVR.
I will keep my fingers crossed hoping it won’t bother me too much, but I just have a feeling I will be disappointed.
Compression sucks.
Edit: I actually already ordered the E6 yesterday afternoon. Now, it’s just a matter of waiting.
DirecTV doesn't look bad at all for me.
Lucky Forward
Member
I know you're talking about cable, but I understand that OTA signals are not compressed and are quite good. I have a rooftop OTA antenna (no cable) and a 50" Kuro plasma, and I've always been very pleased with the picture OTA provides.
Has anyone seen OTA material on 4K TV?
Yes, yes, I realize 'broadcast' via antenna is very good. But that is really not an option for me as I record all my shows to my DVR. Also, it has very limited channels, and doesn't obviously cover any premium channels, either.
I'm thinking about replacing my 50" HD Ready Plasma. I'm not interested in 4K Blu-Rays or such things but might as well buy a 4K TV at this point, right? I'd love to watch the Olympic Games in 4K as well (if that's even possible in Germany I don't know). Anyway, here's more info:
- 500 tops
- 99% for video games
- I'm ~2m away from the TV
- it doesn't have to be 50" or bigger than that, but not 30-ish, that's too small after owning 50" I'm afraid
- don't care about Smart TV nonsense, I have a Chromecast
I looked up the cheapest 4K TV on Amazon and this pooped up. Doesn't look too bad, or am I missing something?
TCL U50S6806S 127 cm (50 Zoll) Fernseher (Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YXLOERC/
I'm sure retailers will have a lot of sales due to Euro and Olympia though.
- 500 tops
- 99% for video games
- I'm ~2m away from the TV
- it doesn't have to be 50" or bigger than that, but not 30-ish, that's too small after owning 50" I'm afraid
- don't care about Smart TV nonsense, I have a Chromecast
I looked up the cheapest 4K TV on Amazon and this pooped up. Doesn't look too bad, or am I missing something?
TCL U50S6806S 127 cm (50 Zoll) Fernseher (Ultra HD, Triple Tuner, Smart TV) https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00YXLOERC/
I'm sure retailers will have a lot of sales due to Euro and Olympia though.
mitchman
Gold Member
Sure, but the warranty is much longer here in Norway.
Whats peoples thoughts on the new Samsung UE49KS7000?
From what i can find input lag is only around 22ms in Game Mode, 38 on PC.
My cabinet can only take up to a 50" TV, and from what i can make out it has pretty much all the features of the more expensive 8000 & 9000 models with only a slightly lower PIQ.
From what i can find input lag is only around 22ms in Game Mode, 38 on PC.
My cabinet can only take up to a 50" TV, and from what i can make out it has pretty much all the features of the more expensive 8000 & 9000 models with only a slightly lower PIQ.
Night Hunter
Banned
I had some hands on time with one of the new KS8000 models today and although the remote put me off at first I really liked it. The picture was pretty nice and they really seem to have improved the Tizen system. The J series was pretty sluggish but everything with the KS was lightning fast.
I never thought about a Samsung TV before but after today I would buy a KS in a heartbeat.
undercoverb0ss
Member
I picked up a 65" LG E6 last friday, and it has been awesome in every way, but especially for gaming!
Absolute blacks and 4K 60fps is gaming heaven.
Absolute blacks and 4K 60fps is gaming heaven.
Yeah I'm prepared for this move. The Sony displays in years past always seems to have a slightly softer more film like picture quality to them compared to other makers. Being rear projection also hid some of the more minor issues like jaggies in video games or edge enhancements, etc. on DVD/BD. I'm prepared for the shit show that is Comcast cable. Game Of Thrones already looks putrid in the dark scenes so I can imagine it if I turned the sharpness to 1000. I'm just so ready to be rid of the Hulk green picture I've been watching for over a year.
Still. Would you pay 15,000 NOK for an extended warranty? I wouldn't.
mitchman
Gold Member
25% of that is the VAT.
Stealthcobra
Member
hows the lg 49UF6700 for gaming?
x Dredgen Yor x
Member
UK Gaf'ers id like some advice, got £1,300 to spend,
do i get a 55 inch LG OLED 1080p or a 4K tv (feel free to recommend me)?
thanks guys.
do i get a 55 inch LG OLED 1080p or a 4K tv (feel free to recommend me)?
thanks guys.
55 inch for 1080p seems a bit too much without the adequate distance.
Also, IMO, 4K resolution >>> OLED image quality, and more for that TV size, the jump in number of pixels is a lot more noticeable and satisfying than a bit better colors.
But yeah, you would need 4K content : /
I feel the opposite.
I'd take a 55EG910 over almost any 4k LED.
The fact that you can get perfect blacks is for me the real game changer (+viewing angles and all the things OLED is better at)
Not saying a 4K LED is not a good option though, there are some pretty good ones out there and if gaming is your priority it might be the better choice
ACH1LL3US
Member
Agreed, had a Samsung js9000 55inch 4k and then went to the oled 55 ec9300, other then higher input lag ( 23ms vs 29ms according to my Leo Bodnar), the 4k resolution only matters if your using a pc on it with native res otherwise the 4k res means nothing but the infinite contrast ratio, no pwm and .3ms pixel response time of the oled destroys the 4k led.
Once you use the oled for any amount of time and go back to an led, it is a jarring experience. You really won't want to use an led again, for movies or gaming. I use the 55ec9300 as a pc monitor for pc gaming, it is 40 inches away from me and looks amazing, like a curved imax screen.
Gaming in particular looks insane on it as games use absolute black ALOT. Motion to me looks so much better then the Samsung 4k's due to .3ms pixel response vs the 17ms pixel response of the 4k samsung ( rtings has all these numbers ) and the oled has no pwm so the motion looks very smooth and clear, great for 60fps gaming.