Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

The original post here is extremely bizarre to me. I was expecting a real comparison of the tech, not bad cell phone snaps of a tv! The images aren't even color corrected. One image isn't even in focus! What is the point of the images? You really cannot make anything close to an informed buying decision from a poor photo of a tv, even a good photo wouldn't be good. The links are useful for people looking to buy, but there is no discussion of the actual comparison of the technology types.

To make a contribution to the actual topic however, OLED. I have had a plasma for a good 6 years or so and I'm glad I bought it. The image is better than all my LCD's (of various types) I have not had a burn in at all (I enabled the protective technologies and have it auto shut-off after a while). OLED is even better and I'm going to replace an LCD that I am disappointed with (that I actually use for the desktop I'm typing on, as well as some consoles), with an OLED. I like the LG 4k flat sets. I checked it out in Best Buy and loved the image quality. Just need that price to come down or my salary to go up. Outside of cost, the only functional benefit that the LCD systems have is better resistance to image retention (burn in), according to some reports I've come across by current owners that have had it happen to them.
 
Rodin said:
For normal TV/Blu Ray/Netflix, what do you think about RTINGS settings?
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They're professionals and I'm not, but their settings appear bizarre to me. Their combined settings for Oled light, Contrast, Brightness and 2.2 gamma give an overly washed out picture, that may be apt to a very bright room but that I don't like a bit.

2.4 gamma (which is actually a bit lower) is a firm point for this tv imho, I'm even convinced that bit higher gamma would have magnified more oled's punchy contrast and picture depth. Contrast at 95 clips white levels and flattens the picture, default of 80 is the max I would suggest, if you need an overall brighter picture bring up Oled light. On this matter, keep in mind my settings are for a natural picture (plasma-like I dare to say) and in dim/dark room, I think they retain good even in a bright environment, just adjust Oled light to your taste.
 
Prologue said:
Really? vizio topping out better than sony and samsung? hmmm
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Yep, I never thought I'd see the day. Vizio has made it a point to try and shed their "Wal-Mart" image. Their reference sets are quite good and that technology is now tricking down to their other sets. I'm staring at a P65-C1 right now and can attest to its excellent picture quality and great blacks. And I'm coming from a Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro-111fd. Outside of the size difference and the 4K capabilities, the picture of the Vizio, I'd say, is a side grade. I think it's that good!
 
Gouty said:
Any word on future OLED sets that will be 70" + without curves?
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LG's 77" G6 runs 25k or so.

Basically that 65" point seems to be the top mass-producible panel right now without an exponential price increase. Probably another year or two away from "affordable" 70+ OLEDs.
 
Gouty said:
Any word on future OLED sets that will be 70" + without curves?
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The LG G6 will be available in 77" (for $25.000 I think) later this year, that's about the only one. All other sets are 65" or smaller. Maybe that Philips will launch a 70"+ OLED screen later this year, but I doubt that as their last few series only go up to 65".
 
My P65-C1 arrived and it's all hooked up. I figured I'd have Windows run in 4k or whatever using this but it doesn't give me the option in the Display settings. Is it because I'm hooked up by HDMI (or more specifically DVI-to-HDMI)? I'm using the HDMI 5 slot but no luck with that. I know there's a PC input but I don't currently have a cable handy to go that route as I always just used the HDMI before. If that's what's necessary than I suppose I need to get me a new cable.

Also, this TV is kind of silly large since I'm using it in my bedroom. Yay.
 
Wibblewozzer said:
My P65-C1 arrived and it's all hooked up. I figured I'd have Windows run in 4k or whatever using this but it doesn't give me the option in the Display settings. Is it because I'm hooked up by HDMI (or more specifically DVI-to-HDMI)? I'm using the HDMI 5 slot but no luck with that. I know there's a PC input but I don't currently have a cable handy to go that route as I always just used the HDMI before. If that's what's necessary than I suppose I need to get me a new cable.

Also, this TV is kind of silly large since I'm using it in my bedroom. Yay.
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It should auto sense the resolution. On the Tablet, go to VizioCast, Settings Cog, System, Sustem Information, and under resolution it will show what the tv is displaying.

Edit, I believe input 5 will only do 1080p at 4:4:4. I'm playing UC4 MP, else I'd look into it more. Check the manual.
 
DJ Lushious said:
It should auto sense the resolution. On the Tablet, go to VizioCast, Settings Cog, System, Sustem Information, and under resolution it will show what the tv is displaying.

Edit, I believe input 5 will only do 1080p at 4:4:4. I'm playing UC4 MP, else I'd look into it more. Check the manual.
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Yeah, it's showing as 1080p there as well. Fairly certain the graphics card should have no issue as I did a quick search before posting first and saw people saying they could use the card to play games in 4k so it stands to reason I should be able to run Windows in 4k as well, I'd assume. But I figure at this point the card is my largest bottleneck since it's a bit older/cheaper being an R9 270x.

I'll poke around a bit more.

Edit: I'm thinking it might be that my HDMI cable isn't 2.0. I have no real idea how to check. But I think it's fairly safe to assume this is the actual issue.

Edit #2: Yup, that was it. It was just the cable. I did a quick HDMI check (not even sure why I'm still using that adapter since I have an HDMI port on my card) and now it's in 4k. Seems to have some extra lag on the mouse so I'll have to see what's causing that but otherwise it seems alright. Thanks!

Edit #3: And fixed the mouse input lag. All is well.
 
I grabbed an LG 49 inch 4K LED yesterday to replace our old projection tv that bit the bullet. The picture settings on this tv right out of the box with PS4 are fantastic!!! All i did was take it out of "Vivid" mode and set Game Mode on and im blown away with how Uncharted 4 looks!!!!

Its a 49UH6100, and its a 2016 model. I havent found any picture settings for it. Im already in love with the image but would like some good settings if anyone has any..??
 
I recently bought a 50" 2015 Vizio M series 4k TV. I've been very happy with the set, but I recently noticed that while the set is advertised as 120Hz the actual panel refresh is only 60hz. The larger sets are native 120hz. I figured if my PC's GTX970 couldn't handle a game at 4k I could at least dizl back to 1080p and 120Hz. This does not appear to be the case. My question is, is there a way to make the framerate smoother, similar to 120hz at lower resolution? Should I be using the smooth motion settings or am I just wasting my time and hurting my eyes? I'm honestly pretty bummed about the 120hz false advertising but not enough to actually get a new set.
 
mikespit1200 said:
I recently bought a 50" 2015 Vizio M series 4k TV. I've been very happy with the set, but I recently noticed that while the set is advertised as 120Hz the actual panel refresh is only 60hz. The larger sets are native 120hz. I figured if my PC's GTX970 couldn't handle a game at 4k I could at least dizl back to 1080p and 120Hz. This does not appear to be the case. My question is, is there a way to make the framerate smoother, similar to 120hz at lower resolution? Should I be using the smooth motion settings or am I just wasting my time and hurting my eyes? I'm honestly pretty bummed about the 120hz false advertising but not enough to actually get a new set.
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Smooth motion on will add input lag and artifacts unfortunately.
 
mikespit1200 said:
I recently bought a 50" 2015 Vizio M series 4k TV. I've been very happy with the set, but I recently noticed that while the set is advertised as 120Hz the actual panel refresh is only 60hz. The larger sets are native 120hz. I figured if my PC's GTX970 couldn't handle a game at 4k I could at least dizl back to 1080p and 120Hz. This does not appear to be the case. My question is, is there a way to make the framerate smoother, similar to 120hz at lower resolution? Should I be using the smooth motion settings or am I just wasting my time and hurting my eyes? I'm honestly pretty bummed about the 120hz false advertising but not enough to actually get a new set.
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It's not false advertising, as they say "Effective Refresh Rate." I do understand being a bit miffed, though. The P series is the same, with the 50" being 60Hz, where the rest are 120Hz.
 
How is LG as a brand? For some reason I have the notion that Samsung and Sony produce high quality TVs. And I have negative connotation with Vizio. I'm not saying that these things are true, but that I perceive them to be true.

I know nothing about LG and they look like the only company that sells OLED 4K TVs.
 
Darryl M R said:
How is LG as a brand? For some reason I have the notion that Samsung and Sony produce high quality TVs. And I have negative connotation with Vizio. I'm not saying that these things are true, but that I perceive them to be true.

I know nothing about LG and they look like the only company that sells OLED 4K TVs.
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Hey Darryl. People say the LG OLED TV's are overpriced, and not top quality. In general the consensus on OLED seems to be that the technology is still developing and you'll get a much better TV at a much better price in a few years.
 
Deku Tree said:
Hey Darryl. People say the LG OLED TV's are overpriced, and not top quality. In general the consensus on OLED seems to be that the technology is still developing and you'll get a much better TV at a much better price in a few years.
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I feel like you have an app that notifies you whenever I post on GAF :)

Thanks for the comment. Hmm fine I might just wait another year before thinking of picking up a new TV. My 32 inch is just looking so small now.
 
Deku Tree said:
Hey Darryl. People say the LG OLED TV's are overpriced, and not top quality. In general the consensus on OLED seems to be that the technology is still developing and you'll get a much better TV at a much better price in a few years.
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I recently purchased the 2016 65" E6P and I can't tell you how wrong you are. You won't find anything to match the picture quality of the LG OLEDs, hands down. And the build quality is nothing to scoff at either.

I'll quote the last paragraph of the hdtvtest.co.uk reveiw.

Now don’t get us wrong: here at HDTVTest, we are a critical bunch, perhaps the most critical of all AV publications. But we’re absolutely bowled over by the LG OLED55E6. We’re not even going to qualify the following endorsement: if you can afford it, this is the TV to buy.
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If you can afford one of the 2016 models, buy it, end of story.
 
ukas said:
I'll quote the last paragraph of the hdtvtest.co.uk reveiw.


If you can afford one of the 2016 models, buy it, end of story.
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I'm not questioning that OLED looks really good, and better than LED. I'm only questioning whether you should spend around double the price for OLED over LED.

Samsung - 65" Class - (64.5" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV - Silver
$2,299.99

LG - 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) - OLED - 2160p - Smart - 3D - 4K Ultra HD TV - Silver
$4,499.98

Is OLED that much better and worth it? Depends on who is buying it and how much they value the differences.


And when I was researching TV's last year the consensus seemed to be that the OLED technology will get better and the prices will come down a lot in a few years.
 
Deku Tree said:
I'm not questioning that OLED looks really good, and better than LED. I'm only questioning whether you should spend around double the price for OLED over LED.

Samsung - 65" Class - (64.5" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV - Silver
$2,299.99

LG - 65" Class (64.5" Diag.) - OLED - 2160p - Smart - 3D - 4K Ultra HD TV - Silver
$4,499.98

Is OLED that much better and worth it? Depends on who is buying it and how much they value the differences.


And when I was researching TV's last year the consensus seemed to be that the OLED technology will get better and the prices will come down a lot in a few years.
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I think a better comparison would be the best Samsung TV (KS9000) against the E6.

65" KS9000: $3,699.99

65" E6: $5,999.99

But yeah prices are still quite high. Funnily enough when OLED drops in price we will be comparing it to QLED and then the OLED vs QLED warz will start
 
Deku Tree said:
Hey Darryl. People say the LG OLED TV's are overpriced, and not top quality. In general the consensus on OLED seems to be that the technology is still developing and you'll get a much better TV at a much better price in a few years.
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this is completely wrong. The 2016 LG OLED 4K sets are the best TVs ever produced.

LG's customer support on the OLED 4K sets is awesome too, their VIP team is legit.
 
jstevenson said:
this is completely wrong. The 2016 LG OLED 4K sets are the best TVs ever produced.

LG's customer support on the OLED 4K sets is awesome too, their VIP team is legit.
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Well, to be fair, the poster you replying to wasn't completely wrong. The LG OLEDs are very expensive. Which I think is unfortunate, because OLED should be ubiquitous in HDTVs, more so than LCD now. It's just a better overall picture producing tech.
 
jstevenson said:
this is completely wrong. The 2016 LG OLED 4K sets are the best TVs ever produced.

LG's customer support on the OLED 4K sets is awesome too, their VIP team is legit.
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My friend Darryl plays a lot of Video games.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500

Input Lag Show Help : 53.5 ms

LMAO at paying $4,497.00 for a 65" TV with 53.5 ms input lag.

That's really low quality for playing video games.

Maybe it's top tier for watching movies, but again I know my friend Darryl very well and he's going to want a TV that is also good for playing competitive online video games, like multiplayer FPS shooters... a 53.5 ms input lag TV for $4,500 is not one of those.
 
Deku Tree said:
My friend Darryl plays a lot of Video games.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500

Input Lag Show Help : 53.5 ms

LMAO at paying $4,497.00 for a 65" TV with 53.5 ms input lag.

That's really low quality for playing video games.

Maybe it's top tier for watching movies, but again I know my friend Darryl very well and he's going to want a TV that is also good for playing competitive online video games, like multiplayer FPS shooters... a 53.5 ms input lag TV for $4,500 is not one of those.
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I said 2016, which drops it to the mid-low 30ms.

The EF9500 is great too, but the 2016 models are where LG finally hit it
 
I'm finally considering upgrading my Panasonic LCD from 2009, but there seem to be a lot of issues with LED TVs.

What are the best 42 inch LED LCD models if my priorities are input lag, motion quality and screen uniformity?
 
jstevenson said:
I said 2016, which drops it to the mid-low 30ms.

The EF9500 is great too, but the 2016 models are where LG finally hit it
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Gimmi that OLED65G6P, all day!
Playing Ratcket & Uncharted 4 on PS4 recently, the whole time in the back of my mind I was thinking I wish I had a good OLED to make these colors pop like crazy. My next TV will 100% be OLED within a year hopefully.
 
Deku Tree said:
My friend Darryl plays a lot of Video games.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500

Input Lag Show Help : 53.5 ms

LMAO at paying $4,497.00 for a 65" TV with 53.5 ms input lag.

That's really low quality for playing video games.

Maybe it's top tier for watching movies, but again I know my friend Darryl very well and he's going to want a TV that is also good for playing competitive online video games, like multiplayer FPS shooters... a 53.5 ms input lag TV for $4,500 is not one of those.
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It's like you keep missing the fact that I and other people have said the 2016 models. I'm sure your friend Darryl and his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl would be just fine with 35ms.
 
ukas said:
It's like you keep missing the fact that I and other people have said the 2016 models. I'm sure your friend Darryl and his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl would be just fine with 35ms.
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yeah, and the price comparisons are a bit whack too.

LG has these crazy high-end prices right now because they can, but the 65" EF9500 can be found for just above 3k right now if you know where to look.

The E6 and such will certainly follow.

So yeah, if you go buy the brand new model as soon as it comes out, you may be a lot more, but the price drops on the OLED models seem to be happening swiftly and aggressively
 
jstevenson said:
yeah, and the price comparisons are a bit whack too.

LG has these crazy high-end prices right now because they can, but the 65" EF9500 can be found for just above 3k right now if you know where to look.

The E6 and such will certainly follow.

So yeah, if you go buy the brand new model as soon as it comes out, you may be a lot more, but the price drops on the OLED models seem to be happening swiftly and aggressively
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That feel when your 60fps game feels like 30 because your $3K-$5K OLED TV has at best 35 ms input lag. Not a TV that I would consider buying for gaming. That's my opinion.

I can't find 2016 OLED reviews on rtings and I just took the prices off Best Buy and Amazon from rtings links.
 
Deku Tree said:
That feel when your 60fps game feels like 30 because your $3K-$5K OLED TV has at best 35 ms input lag. Not a TV that I would consider buying for gaming. That's my opinion.

I can't find 2016 OLED reviews on rtings and I just took the prices off Best Buy and Amazon from rtings links.
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Feels pretty damn good actually.
 
Deku Tree said:
That feel when your 60fps game feels like 30 because your $3K-$5K OLED TV has at best 35 ms input lag. Not a TV that I would consider buying for gaming. That's my opinion.

I can't find 2016 OLED reviews on rtings and I just took the prices off Best Buy and Amazon from rtings links.
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Dude just quit. Lol. The motion blur on LCD alone kills your comparison and the response times on OLED r way quicker. Gameplay actually feels smoother.
 
b0bbyJ03 said:
Dude just quit. Lol. The motion blur on LCD alone kills your comparison and the response times on OLED r way quicker. Gameplay actually feels smoother.
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Eh my 4K LED has very low motion blur.

I was done talking about it after I gave my friend my opinion about OLED. You guys keep inaccurately trying to dispute what I'm saying. I'm just responding. If you want this to be an OLED echo chamber then fine I'll leave. Unsubscribed. Bye.
 
Deku Tree said:
Eh my 4K LED has very low motion blur.

I was done talking about it after I gave my friend my opinion about OLED. You guys keep inaccurately trying to dispute what I'm saying. I'm just responding. If you want this to be an OLED echo chamber then fine I'll leave. Unsubscribed. Bye.
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Nah it definitely looked like you were attacking and now you're just being defensive. Nothing they said about OLED was false and now you are just downplaying when someone with an OLED gives you facts about response time as "meh" my TV's is low enough.

You're just being childish
 
For me price difference is the key. $2000 diff is a big deal and it'll probably be more here in Australia.

See, Sony Samsung and Panasonic 4k LEDs are without doubt great TVs. Is it worth paying maybe 30% more for OLED?

If I had the chaff no doubt. But with the saving I could buy a PS4K or UHD bluray player or Dolby Atmos amp and some extra speakers.

The new LEDs hit Oz over the next month or two. The new OLEDs by the end of the year. Maybe its a good idea to buy a really good led now, save some money and upgrade to OLED in 2-3 years when prices are down, maybe another player is in the market and the 4K UHD/HDR/Dolby Vision standards have settled.

You got no idea how much time I've spent thinking about this!
 
Hi

I want the best monitor there is :p

Max 500 euro

Its for PS4 and PC. I want to play Uncharted 4 on the best screen :D

What you prefer ?

I have now a Eizo Flexscan but its not so sharp en vibrant colours
 
Picked up an EG9100 to test. Really curiois to see how the B6/C6 compare so I'll snag one of those too. EG9100 is definitely impressive though, black levels and imwge quality are insane.

Btw anyone complaining about lag on an OLED needs to set it to PC mode. It is super responsive, but without it... laggy garbage.
 
As an update, the 9100 continues to impress. Someday I will get a 4k version but probably not until games run natively on one. I can't tell the difference with our Vizio 4k and the 1080p OLED. If anything the OLED looks waaay better.

Never getting an LCD/LED ever again. The prices are definitely worth it for the superior picture and they keep falling.
 
Kelegacy said:
As an update, the 9100 continues to impress. Someday I will get a 4k version but probably not until games run natively on one. I can't tell the difference with our Vizio 4k and the 1080p OLED. If anything the OLED looks waaay better.

Never getting an LCD/LED ever again. The prices are definitely worth it for the superior picture and they keep falling.
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There's is no picture on the market that truly rivals OLED for me, I even have an edge 7 phone because of how impressed I was with my TV.

I still marvel at the picture quality at times.
 
b0bbyJ03 said:
Dude just quit. Lol. The motion blur on LCD alone kills your comparison and the response times on OLED r way quicker. Gameplay actually feels smoother.
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Here's what I don't understand. OLED uses the same sample and hold technique as LCD, so shouldn't OLED have similar motion issues? OLED's greatest assets are its zero black and emissive properties.
 
Ok I'm getting a little puzzled

Since buying my UE49KS7000 it keeps forgetting the PC mode, I'll set it up but every few boots of the PC it seems to forget and goes to default setting saying a new device has been connected.

I'm wondering if my active DisplayPort - HDMI adapter is causing it but without it I can't run 4k60hz.

Anyone else experienced anything similar?

It only takes 5 seconds to reset but it is annoying.
 
Gaf, what's a good 27" 1080p VA/AMVA monitor for gaming? I want something that has good black levels.

I bought an IPS panel (Asus MX279H) a few days ago and I'm disappointed in the blacks. I've never owned an IPS panel before and I don't think it's for me. I just can't get used to the weak blacks, so I'm probably gonna return it.
 
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