TerryLee81
Member
Whoa that's great.
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
- Thread starter spannicus
- Start date
Whoa that's great.
Ben Q makes a good 28" one.
Agent_Tiro
Member
I'm going to be living away from home 2 weeks in 5 and don't fancy transporting my PS4 and TV on every move. So I'm looking for a decent budget monitor / TV to put in my works apartment whilst away.
I don't want to spend more than £200 and want something in the 26" plus bracket. I feel a monitor would give me more bang for buck than a TV, and as it is only going to be used for gaming on the PS4 with occassional netflix a TV doesn't really make sense. As I enjoy competitive PVP I would like something with a low response time but a decent picture quality.
One I have been pointed to is the BenQ-RL2755HM. Anyone have any opinions on this? Or further recommendations?
I don't want to spend more than £200 and want something in the 26" plus bracket. I feel a monitor would give me more bang for buck than a TV, and as it is only going to be used for gaming on the PS4 with occassional netflix a TV doesn't really make sense. As I enjoy competitive PVP I would like something with a low response time but a decent picture quality.
One I have been pointed to is the BenQ-RL2755HM. Anyone have any opinions on this? Or further recommendations?
dolabla
Member
Is it the BenQ GW2870H?
I stumbled across the BenQ GW2760HS last night. It seems to be an older model, but do you know if it's pretty good too?
Vizio just released a 60" 4K TV for $969 (E model). I'm planning on getting it if the reviews are good. I will get the 55" Sony X810C though if the reviews for the Vizio aren't good.
Bornstellar
Member
Whoa, that's awesome.
I've been eyeing the BenqQ EW2750ZL myself. It seems to have reviewed pretty well. There's a thread here on the hardocp forums about the best reviewed A-MVA monitors if that would help. They seem to recommend against the 28" panels, as they apparently cover less of the sRGB color space in comparison to the 27" panels.
Jigolo
Member
I have the 27ZL. It's good and responsive. The colors are great even though I don't know the exact sRGB coverage. They pop and are accurate (after little calibration). It's an awesome monitor but I now use it for my computer set up. I plan on buying RL2755HM for my gaming purposes. I know the response time is better (1ms vs 4ms) and the input lag is slightly better at 10ms as opposed to 14 on the ZL.
Although I haven't played with the RL, it's one of the most reviewed monitors on the net and has thousands of reviews on Amazon. You can't go wrong with either monitor.
Ordering my 27RLHM soon.
Although I haven't played with the RL, it's one of the most reviewed monitors on the net and has thousands of reviews on Amazon. You can't go wrong with either monitor.
Ordering my 27RLHM soon.
cpp_is_king
Member
About to move into a new house and I'm looking for a new TV. What are the developments over the past few years?
I'm not too concerned about input response time, as this will not be my primary gaming TV. So I want something with superb picture quality, good (and fast!) internet functionality and integrated streaming, about 60", and good viewing in both light and dark conditions. Price range is $2500 - $4000.
Anyone got any recommendations?
I'm not too concerned about input response time, as this will not be my primary gaming TV. So I want something with superb picture quality, good (and fast!) internet functionality and integrated streaming, about 60", and good viewing in both light and dark conditions. Price range is $2500 - $4000.
Anyone got any recommendations?
Jigolo
Member
It does, but just as with LCD/LED reviews will gloss over it and most owners will claim "it looks fine to me." Motion resolution measurements are similar between the technologies and no level of pixel response time will ever fix that. It also doesn't help matters that the only major OLED player is currently LG -- a company that historically produces televisions with poor image processing.
I've read that black frame insertion is being investigated for future OLED televisions at the very least. Whether or not light output will get to where it needs to be to make it palatable for the masses is unknown.
dolabla
Member
Thanks for the link! I really like that BenQ EW2750ZL that you posted. I just read that review on pcmonitors. It also supports RGB Full/Limited which I've been wanting out of a monitor cause I'm gonna be hooking a Wii U up to it and it only supports Limited. I think I might order that one here in a little while.
Did you have any consoles connected to your BenQ EW2750ZL monitor? That's what my main use is gonna be on this monitor (PS4, PS3 and Wii U). If so, on a scale of 1-10, how you would rate console gaming on this monitor?
dolabla
Member
Excellent! It not being able to tilt is not a problem.
I guess I will go ahead and place my order
osiris3355
Banned
For the people still saying the LG Oled is the best I certainly don't agree. There's still pros and cons to all the tech out there.
I saw an LG Oled next to a 2016 Sony Bravia and the whites and yellows were terrible compared to the Sony.
I saw an LG Oled next to a 2016 Sony Bravia and the whites and yellows were terrible compared to the Sony.
Maybe the settings were jacked on it?
MastaKilla
Member
So I have the Sony KDL-55W900A from 2013. Is the Sony XBR55X810C a worthwhile upgrade? I honestly love my tv now but hey I'm down to upgrade if it's a good difference in quality. I don't really have 4K programming though, is the tv that much better otherwise? I use it for both gaming and TV
Jigolo
Member
Nope wait 2-3 more years
MastaKilla
Member
I'm looking at getting a 4K TV for my bedroom, probably in the 55" ballpark and without wanting to spend any more than £999 unless something truly remarkable shows up.
The last few years have seen me gravitate towards Samsung screens but I've also heard good things about LG.... I've been looking on John Lewis primarily as I've had really good customer experience with them in the past, and the five year warranties are nice to have.
It'll primarily be for console gaming with a bit of movie watching here and there. Anyone have any suggestions/recommendations?
The last few years have seen me gravitate towards Samsung screens but I've also heard good things about LG.... I've been looking on John Lewis primarily as I've had really good customer experience with them in the past, and the five year warranties are nice to have.
It'll primarily be for console gaming with a bit of movie watching here and there. Anyone have any suggestions/recommendations?
I tried your settings and i liked them, and after a few adjustments based on my tastes (made with a dvd test) they are very good now. I have a question though: do you get weird "halos" in some dark scenes where there's a light source at the center of the screen, with that combination of gamma 2.4 and black level set on "low"? Because i'm pretty sure i didn't get these before, but now it happens pretty often (especially when i watch The 100 on Netflix, which has tons of these scenes). I tried to take a picture of the effect but it doesn't accurately show what i'm seeing. It's pretty annoying because it goes from the top to the bottom of the screen and it absolutely destroys the image quality.
If you saw them in a store, it's not an accurate comparison.
Someone must have messed with it then because a 2016 OLED is fairly accurate out of the box using the ISF modes.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
probably not set correctly.
The OLED's blacks are the foundation of everything. Settings must've been messed up on the OLED.
And don't put it beyond sales people or other reps to play with the other TV's settings. Crazy stuff happens in sales rooms
User 479360
Banned
I was checking out with a Vizio M series 43" TV when I got cold feed and decided against it. I'm going to do some more homework.
It feels too early to buy a 4K TV, but I need something soon, because my Sharp Aquos (10 years old) is getting bad with its image retention and whiny sound on black screens.
It feels too early to buy a 4K TV, but I need something soon, because my Sharp Aquos (10 years old) is getting bad with its image retention and whiny sound on black screens.
For 60+ inch tv's is there any real value getting a 4k vs a 1080p model? Does 1080p look noticeably better on a 4k set?
For pc gaming, how 1080p to under 4k resolutions upscale on a 4k set?
Both my gf and I are in the market for new sets. Trying to decide if 4k is worthwhile for one or both of us.
For pc gaming, how 1080p to under 4k resolutions upscale on a 4k set?
Both my gf and I are in the market for new sets. Trying to decide if 4k is worthwhile for one or both of us.
That's one of the best LEDs ever made. Keep it until it breaks then get whatever is the lates / greatest.
Ennosuke
Member
Just ordered a Sony KDL 55W756C for 660 Euro.
Sort of excited but also a little bit afraid, since my Panasonic Plasma (42SE10) had an amazing picture quality. But honestly I want a bigger screen and this is why I kind of say goodbye to my plasma, although I always have been a huge fan of the technology. 6 years and a great time.
I hope the new sony will be okay.
Sort of excited but also a little bit afraid, since my Panasonic Plasma (42SE10) had an amazing picture quality. But honestly I want a bigger screen and this is why I kind of say goodbye to my plasma, although I always have been a huge fan of the technology. 6 years and a great time.
I hope the new sony will be okay.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
I recently bought the vizio M60-c3 for this reason. My hdmi cable run through my wall is 1.3, and I don't really use 4k today but for the price point, the lower lag for gaming, and the somewhat future proofing I'm very happy with the amount I got with this 60 inch tv. I will say the firmware update was needed along with some tweaking in order to get colors and soap opera effect squared away but it was worth it.
DJ Lushious
Member
If I understand the question correctly, you want to know if the Vizios will only output the lower Hz frequencies to go to a sub? If so, the answer is no, at least the P series cannot. I can't speak for Samsung, though.
Thanks for answering! Yeah, it's kind of odd motion isn't brought up as much with OLEDs.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
OLED has a different combination of motion "issues" than LED does, despite both using sample and hold.
That combination means that means that people are reacting to it differently than they do other sets. For some it's not nearly as bad, others see it as the same or worse.
Are there any TVs with a matte IP screen like for example Dell's computer screens?
IMO picture quality is worlds better on those and I could never find any uniformity issues on them as well, while my Sony KDL-48W705c is an absolute mess when the room isn't fully lit.
Is it because at a size like 48 inches they can't build screens of that quality?
IMO picture quality is worlds better on those and I could never find any uniformity issues on them as well, while my Sony KDL-48W705c is an absolute mess when the room isn't fully lit.
Is it because at a size like 48 inches they can't build screens of that quality?
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Yes, but I don't know if "quality" is totally to blame. In many ways it's a matter of physics. The more screen area you have on an LED LCD, the more difficult it is to get the the backlight LEDs, often along the edge of the screen, to spread out over the entire surface evenly. It's almost impossible on 50" or larger edge-lit sets to have good uniformity without light leakage, banding, or DSE (Dirty Screen Effect). If you get a good one it's like finding a pearl in an oyster. They can't throw out any panel that isn't perfect because it would be too much waste and the "good" ones would cost a fortune. Even with rear/direct lit LED sets, you can still run into these uniformity problems if the grid of LEDs is spaced out too far from one another in order to produce a less expensive set. The Samsung 65JU7500 I had was rear lit but still suffered from uniformity issues because Samsung didn't put enough LEDs behind the LCD and the "Zones" were clearly visible with the right content.
That's one reason why OLEDs are gaining popularity. No LED lightsource is needed because the screen produces it's own light, so there is no possibility of leakage, and the incidence of banding/DSE is reduced, though not eliminated, because again it's hard to produce something of that size with no imperfections.
Jigolo
Member
Nope. That's a fantastic TV
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Have it. Other than a band that's typically only noticeable off-angle, I love the TV. Hasn't been a problem for me, but the input lag is either being incorrectly measured, or something odd happens with this set, causing variable input lag.
Android OS is a little buggy, but the only really annoying issue is sometimes it turns my entire home theater on for a minute or two, spies on me or something, then turns back off. Existed in 2015 models as well. Hoping the Marshmallow update resolves the issue.
How does 1080p content look on that screen? Do you play games? Do resolutions between 1080p and 4k scale well?
MADGAME
Member
Been doing my homework on it...reading reviews, rtings, and several trips to BB for viewings. Liking what I saw and read but wanted to run it by TechGaf.
Thanks!
osiris3355
Banned
I mentioned the whites and yellows being poor on the OLED. Clearly the blacks were the bomb. White was terrible next to the Sony. I am no picture guru though
Awesome TVs. The only thing that pissed me off is Sony went with last years chipset (which was dated then) so the OS could be smoother. I returned and am now holding out for the next round of Sonys since they should have this newer mediatek.
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/39674-mediatek-showcases-world-s-first-android-tv-6-0
Thanks, but I'm not sure if that'll be a deal breaker for me. Good to know regardless though.
question for you experts. I am sitting almost exactly 2 meters far away from my tv on the couch. i use an 32 inch toshiba for gaming and netflix via pc.
The plan is a little upgrade. I think its time for a bit bigger one, thinking between 40-43 "
distance calculations should be alright. but now the question. that seems to be the norm for a Full HD. But thinking about the ps4 neo and other stuff, i am looking for an UHD /4k model like this one : https://www.amazon.de/Samsung-UE40JU6050-Fernseher-Ultra-Triple/dp/B0117IJKIQ?ie=UTF8&me=&redirect=true&ref_=olp_product_details
any opinions? is this to small for UHD? Will i get a noticable difference? And my second question. i am using the tv as a second PC screen via hdmi - dvi adapter. is this too old for 4k?
so yeah. and bugdet would be 700 € i think
The plan is a little upgrade. I think its time for a bit bigger one, thinking between 40-43 "
distance calculations should be alright. but now the question. that seems to be the norm for a Full HD. But thinking about the ps4 neo and other stuff, i am looking for an UHD /4k model like this one : https://www.amazon.de/Samsung-UE40JU6050-Fernseher-Ultra-Triple/dp/B0117IJKIQ?ie=UTF8&me=&redirect=true&ref_=olp_product_details
any opinions? is this to small for UHD? Will i get a noticable difference? And my second question. i am using the tv as a second PC screen via hdmi - dvi adapter. is this too old for 4k?
so yeah. and bugdet would be 700 € i think
TheChewyWaffles
Member
So I'm moving to a new house and want to upgrade from my current 2012 Panasonic Plasma to something a little newer. I'm currently considering the Vizio 65" P65-C1 and the LG OLED65E6P. Both seem like great sets, but obviously the LG is $4K more. What should I do?
edit: May just go with the P65-C1. I can do a lot with $4K and apparently the OLED's are a little dim compared with the SUHD sets.
edit: May just go with the P65-C1. I can do a lot with $4K and apparently the OLED's are a little dim compared with the SUHD sets.
The LG if you can afford it, otherwise go with the Vizio. BTW, the nits on the E6P are actually higher than the Vizio.
DJ Lushious
Member
I came from a similar situation as you, minus the whole house moving part. I can, however, attest to the picture quality of the P65-C1. The viewing angles are the downside, but the colors, response time, and blacks are all excellent. And I'm coming from the last Pioneer Kuro Elite that was produce. I never thought my next HDTV would be LCD.
And $2000 can't be beat for the technology. What are the nits on the E6P? Vizio only reports their full white screen nits measurement, which is the only true measurement that is reflective of real world scenarios. So, when comparing nits you need to ensure you're looking at the full white screen measurements of other models.
I'm not necessarily defending the Vizio P series, as I am in love with OLED, but for the price I couldn't pass up the P series until OLEDs' prices come back down to earth. I've taken the money I was going to spend on an LG 65" G6 and put it in a savings account until it's time.
I came from a similar situation as you, minus the whole house moving part. I can, however, attest to the picture quality of the P65-C1. The viewing angles are the downside, but the colors, response time, and blacks are all excellent. And I'm coming from the last Pioneer Kuro Elite that was produce. I never thought my next HDTV would be LCD.
What are the nits on the E6P? Vizio only reports their full white screen nits measurement, which is the only true measurement that is reflective of real world scenarios. So, when comparing nits you need to ensure you're looking at the full white screen measurements of other models.
I'm not necessarily defending the Vizio P series, as I am in love with OLED, but for the price I couldn't pass up the P series until OLEDs' prices come back down to earth. I've taken the money I was going to spend on an LG 65" G6 and put it in a savings account until it's time.
One of the guys at VE from the AVS forums had measured the E and G somewhere around mid 700 or so. I can't find the specific post for the exact numbers or how it was measured at the moment.
Edit: Found some of it.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Ugh. I looked at the Vizio in person in BB and the screen looked great but the thickness and bezel absolutely sucked. That silver bezel is thick and quite hideous. Why didn't they just make it black?
I've seen it as well and It does take away a lot from the TV. If you want one of the new LGs the B/C should be getting released here very shortly and should be cheaper than the P/G. As far as I know they all are using the same panel, but have different features/aesthetics. For instance the B doesn't have 3D and the C has a curved screen.