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[DangerMouse]

So my folks just bought a new '55 tv after the last one died..it's the Sony X8508C.
Does this tv considered a good one?
Also,of anyone have calibaration settings foe tv view for the Sony 40w705c (my set) I would appreciate it very much! Thanks.

If it's the same as the 55 X850C (and it seems it is on a quick google search) then it's very good, it's what I have had since last August when it came out.
There's also a nice, large detailed FAQ about the TV by one of the posters on the AVS forum.

 

[Cloggerdude]

What would be the current best choice for a ~42 inch television?

We are moving and I'll have an office in the new house, so I want something to hang on the wall there. It will be used almost exclusively for gaming. The option to hook up my PC and play games would be nice as well.

Suggestions?

 

[Bgamer90]

I actually got the 43" m series last week (my brother broke my tv.. was trying to hold out until black friday..) it has very good picture i didnt notice any motion blur last night during the warriors win.

Nice. I think I'll get the M then.

 

[Daante]

http://in.reuters.com/article/panasonic-televisions-idINKCN0YM0UZ

"Panasonic Corp on Tuesday said it will close its unprofitable television screen manufacturing business, leaving Sharp Corp as Japan's sole TV panel maker.

A Panasonic spokeswoman said the company will stop producing TV screens at its plant in Himeji, western Japan, by the end of September.

The plant, where production began in 2010, has never logged a profit during years of heavy price competition with South Korean and Chinese rivals.

The decision to close the business comes after Panasonic scrapped a company-wide revenue target of 10 trillion yen ($90.1 billion) for the year through March 2019 to focus on profitability.

Its Himeji plant will continue to produce screens for vehicle dashboards and medical equipment, but output will drop to a quarter of the current 810,000 units a month in terms of 32-inch panels, Panasonic said.

Some of Panasonic's television sets already use panels from rival manufacturers such as South Korea's LG Display Co Ltd.

The Nikkei business daily reported on the closure earlier in the day, at the end of which Panasonic shares closed 3.6 percent higher on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. By comparison, the benchmark Nikkei index ended up 1.0 percent.

($1 = 110.9500 yen)"

 

[Beer Monkey]

Pioneer dropping out in 2008 was the harbinger of the future of Japan's TV future.

 

[Daante]

I would guess Sony or Philips would be the next one to exit, even though Sonys top of the line lcds usually are very good.

That leaves us with LG and Samsung left as the big makers, with LG being the only one having the ability to produce OLED panels.

The future looks bright for consumers.. (not)

 

[Mohonky]

I would guess Sony or Philips would be the next one to exit, even though Sonys top of the line lcds usually are very good.

That leaves us with LG and Samsung left as the big makers, with LG being the only one having the ability to produce OLED panels.

The future looks bright for consumers.. (not)

Sony don't make panels. No idea about Philips.

The article is about Panasonic dropping the manufacture of panels, not TV's. They'll probably just buy panels off Sharp.

 

[Daante]

Sony don't make panels. No idea about Philips.

The article is about Panasonic dropping the manufacture of panels, not TV's. They'll probably just buy panels off Sharp.

My bad, i of course meant one of those will most likley exit the tv market.

 

[Storm Raider]

Can someone help and tell me WTF HDR10 and Dolby Vision mans?

I was looking at th Vizio p series and saw it doesn't have HDR10, but it has Dolby Vision.

Does this mean I can watch Blu-rays, but I will be missing out on the HDR Support?

 

[jstevenson]

Can someone help and tell me WTF HDR10 and Dolby Vision mans?

I was looking at th Vizio p series and saw it doesn't have HDR10, but it has Dolby Vision.

Does this mean I can watch Blu-rays, but I will be missing out on the HDR Support?

The New Vizio Ps should be getting HDR10. HDR10 is a subset of Dolby Vision. Basically Dolby Vision has a special chip and slightly more info, but it uses all of the HDR10 data. So if you can do DV, the TV should be able to handle HDR10. I believe there is a firmware update coming to the Vizio Ps to enable HDR10.

Current UHD 4K Blu-Rays only have HDR10 - so until that update, you'd be missing out. Currently Vudu and Netflix have DV support (Netflix is just Marco Polo). Amazon's HDR is HDR10.

 

[Storm Raider]

The New Vizio Ps should be getting HDR10. HDR10 is a subset of Dolby Vision. Basically Dolby Vision has a special chip and slightly more info, but it uses all of the HDR10 data. So if you can do DV, the TV should be able to handle HDR10. I believe there is a firmware update coming to the Vizio Ps to enable HDR10.

Current UHD 4K Blu-Rays only have HDR10 - so until that update, you'd be missing out. Currently Vudu and Netflix have DV support (Netflix is just Marco Polo). Amazon's HDR is HDR10.

Thank you for the detailed response!

Now I don't know what to do. I want a 4K for Blu Rays so it seems I'd have to skip the P series for now until there is an update (if there is one!).

 

[tmdorsey]

The New Vizio Ps should be getting HDR10. HDR10 is a subset of Dolby Vision. Basically Dolby Vision has a special chip and slightly more info, but it uses all of the HDR10 data. So if you can do DV, the TV should be able to handle HDR10. I believe there is a firmware update coming to the Vizio Ps to enable HDR10.

Current UHD 4K Blu-Rays only have HDR10 - so until that update, you'd be missing out. Currently Vudu and Netflix have DV support (Netflix is just Marco Polo). Amazon's HDR is HDR10.

Netflix also supports HDR10.

 

[DJ Lushious]

The New Vizio Ps should be getting HDR10. HDR10 is a subset of Dolby Vision. Basically Dolby Vision has a special chip and slightly more info, but it uses all of the HDR10 data. So if you can do DV, the TV should be able to handle HDR10. I believe there is a firmware update coming to the Vizio Ps to enable HDR10.

Current UHD 4K Blu-Rays only have HDR10 - so until that update, you'd be missing out. Currently Vudu and Netflix have DV support (Netflix is just Marco Polo). Amazon's HDR is HDR10.

I'm being nitpicky here, but Dolby Vision is actually the better standard. It only requires HDMI 1.4 and contains metadata on each frame that sets the levels appropriately. It's such a fantastic way of sending the signal that the HDR consortium (whatever their official name is) is working on incorporating metadata in their HDR10 spec. Which, unfortunately, means a new version of HDMI, 2.0b.

Thank you for the detailed response!

Now I don't know what to do. I want a 4K for Blu Rays so it seems I'd have to skip the P series for now until there is an update (if there is one!).

Vizio has gone on record saying that the P series will be getting HDR10 support within 90 days of the TV's launch, which puts us until about June/July or July/August (I can't exactly remember).

Vizio's way of handling HDR on their P series is ideal, as DV requires a decoder chip (as jstevenson noted) and HDR10 does not. You're getting a future-proof HDTV set that will easily be upgraded to handle HDR10, as well. Here's a good read on this new format war.

If you're thinking of getting a Vizio P, Storm Raider, my vote is for you to do it. I picked one up about three weeks ago and I think it's an excellent set with a superb picture quality. And I'm coming from a 9G Pioneer Kuro Elite! :-o

On the topic of Vizio P series, a new firmware update just got deployed to all sets last night (after a staged deployment). Here are the patch notes. Also, the first post in the AVSForums thread for the P Series is a good place to get a lot more information about the set.

Version 1.1.14.4 has the following updates (high level descriptions):

- Local dimming algorithm improvements (better contrast and black levels)
- Stuttering and frame drops fixed
- Volume control improved over CEC/ARC
- Discreet IR codes fixed
- Calibration at 30% Blue fixed
- Spotify audio output to soundbars improved
- Cast more reliably supports 24fps content
- Bluetooth pairing improved
- Significant improvements for ATMOS over ARC
- Cleaned up some streaming issues with Vudu, Vadio, Netflix
- Youtube queue issue fixed
- Game mode improved (backlight timing)
- Numerous other small fixes and improvements

 

[jstevenson]

I'm being nitpicky here, but Dolby Vision is actually the better standard. It only requires HDMI 1.4 and contains metadata on each frame that sets the levels appropriately. It's such a fantastic way of sending the signal that the HDR consortium (whatever their official name is) is working on incorporating metadata in their HDR10 spec. Which, unfortunately, means a new version of HDMI, 2.0b.

I think that's what I said - Dolby Vision has more data - I guess I could've explained why that makes it better - which you did!

That said, anything in Dolby Vision has the HDR10 data as it's base. So in theory, long-term, stuff that's Dolby Vision should be able to be processed as HDR10 if you don't have DV support.

 

[Elhandro]

GAF,

I am about to go and Pick up this bad boy.....I know Lag was the only gaming concern but would appreciate if any owners could chime in and give me their quick impressions, concerns and or do/donts

Appreciate any and all Feedback......Finally made it to the OLED promise land

 

[Stealthcobra]

I got my E6P calibrated yesterday. WOW, I'm surprised at how much better this TV can actually look.

did you calibrate it or have someone? if someone did it for you, is that a service thats provided?

 

[Stealthcobra]

so I'm thinking of getting the vizio p50 c1... mainly for gaming. I've read some previous post and people are happy with it... now that you've had it for while.. are you still happy?

 

[Josh378]

P65-C1 is amazing. I love this TV.

Anybody know what website I can go to, in order to calibrate this monitor?

 

[cmChimera]

Contemplating a Vizio P65 as my seven year old Samsung Plasma just started having green/blue vertical line/power cycling issues on startup.... not sure how long it's going to make it!

Trying to decide if the $700 difference between the 55 and the 65 is worth it. Best Buy is the only place to find these things it seems?

I just happened to stumble in this thread, but we had the EXACT same situation. I bought the 65" P series and I love it. The 55 inch has an IPS panel, which can result in greyer blacks, but also has the advantage of better viewing angles. So basically it's a decision on size, and how often you are viewing the tv from an angle. If you're constantly at an angle, I'd say 55". But if not, you'll get better picture from the 65".

 

[ukas]

did you calibrate it or have someone? if someone did it for you, is that a service thats provided?

Paid a professional to calibrate it.

 

[Caayn]

GAF,

I am about to go and Pick up this bad boy.....I know Lag was the only gaming concern but would appreciate if any owners could chime in and give me their quick impressions, concerns and or do/donts

Appreciate any and all Feedback......Finally made it to the OLED promise land

Do enjoy the amazing picture it produces.
Do check for banding and vignetting problems. And contact the store if there are any.
Do let it check and install new firmware versions once you have it.

Don't be afraid of burn-in. It's not going to happen. Some light image retention may occur but that'll quickly disappear and is hardly noticeable.
Don't look strange when the TV doesn't make the "power off" click everytime you turn it off. Each 4(?) hours of use it'll enter a screen cleaning mode when you turn it off.

Enjoy your new TV. The OLED land is one hell a land to be a citizen of.

 

[Yibby]

Don't look strange when the TV doesn't make the "power off" click everytime you turn it off. Each 4(?) hours of use it'll enter a screen cleaning mode when you turn it off.

I think it's after 2 hours of use

 

[Future PhaZe]

Contemplating a Vizio P65 as my seven year old Samsung Plasma just started having green/blue vertical line/power cycling issues on startup.... not sure how long it's going to make it!

Trying to decide if the $700 difference between the 55 and the 65 is worth it. Best Buy is the only place to find these things it seems?

viewing angle vs blacks is barely even a competition imo--blacks all day every day

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Does anyone know how well the LG UH6100 line stacks up for gaming in terms of input lag and motion blur? I want to get a 4K TV, but my budget is about $600. I can't seem to find any reviews yet on the major review sites and the low number of Amazon reviews makes me think it is a new line.



I mean, I don't really need a 4K set, but I do need a TV around 48 inches that is at least 1080p and great for gaming.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

My 18 month old 1080p Sony has just died

On a positive note, that might mean I can replace it with a 4K set!

Which are the best 4K's for input lag at the moment? From my quick look around it seems the Sammy's are better than the Sony's at the moment.

Any ideas?

 

[guitarguy316]

Samsung 65in KS8000 will be $2000 in next week's ads. It's already $1979 at BJs.

20ms lag

 

[guitarguy316]

GAF,

I am about to go and Pick up this bad boy.....I know Lag was the only gaming concern but would appreciate if any owners could chime in and give me their quick impressions, concerns and or do/donts

Appreciate any and all Feedback......Finally made it to the OLED promise land

Didn't rtings rate it as 50ms? That's pretty high

 

[Pancakes R Us]

My 18 month old 1080p Sony has just died

On a positive note, that might mean I can replace it with a 4K set!

Which are the best 4K's for input lag at the moment? From my quick look around it seems the Sammy's are better than the Sony's at the moment.

Any ideas?

Dead at just 18 months? Damn.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Dead at just 18 months? Damn.

Yeah!

Well its not dead but the bottom third of the screen now looks like a rainbow lol. The guarantee man on the phone says its probably the screen fucked and it will be cheaper to just give me a new one. I will try and pay extra and upgrade to a 4K set though.

Hopefully they cant fix it anyway!

Samsung 65in KS8000 will be $2000 in next week's ads. It's already $1979 at BJs.

20ms lag

Thanks I'm from the UK though. Just been looking at the 55in KS7000 @ £1500. 22ms input lag.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

viewing angle vs blacks is barely even a competition imo--blacks all day every day

The firmware update just improved it, seriously inky blacks, that's with local dimming on of course. VA panels will when the day always, unless LG figures something out.

 

[Storm Raider]

Snip

Okay, now I'm pretty sure I'll be buying one of these...

But deciding on the 50" or 55"...

Which should I get?

The 55" has an IPS... But what about the 50"?

55" is on sale right now on Best Buy, which is why I ask. Same price.

But I'd be happy with either size. But if the smaller screen has better quality... ¯_(&#12484_/¯

 

[RedAssedApe]

gah these damn threads making me want to get one of these new vizio p-series

my kuro 5020 still holding up alright but even isf-day on this set isn't that great for day-time viewing with sunlight

 

[Jigolo]

Okay, now I'm pretty sure I'll be buying one of these...

But deciding on the 50" or 55"...

Which should I get?

The 55" has an IPS... But what about the 50"?

55" is on sale right now on Best Buy, which is why I ask. Same price.

But I'd be happy with either size. But if the smaller screen has better quality... ¯_(&#12484_/¯

I've read around that the IPS in the 55" really isn't as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

50" is also 60hz vs 120 in 55"

 

[Storm Raider]

I've read around that the IPS in the 55" really isn't as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

50" is also 60hz vs 120 in 55"

I assume the 50 has an IPS too then? Wouldn't make sense to have an upgrade on a smaller screen. But im curious.

Also, any reason I need 120hz? Really Only PC games, no?

 

[Shoogoo]

I can buy this model ( Panasonic TX-50CX700B ) for a very good price. Any idea if it's a good tv? The review seems encouraging, but I'd mainly use it for gaming. 38ms seems high, then again apparently it's fine for a 4K?

 

[Clockwork]

Also, any reason I need 120hz? Really Only PC games, no?

5:5 pull down to display native 24fps film content (Blu-rays for example)

 

[ukas]

I can buy this model ( Panasonic TX-50CX700B ) for a very good price. Any idea if it's a good tv? The review seems encouraging, but I'd mainly use it for gaming. 38ms seems high, then again apparently it's fine for a 4K?

Unless you're super sensitive to input lag you shouldn't notice much.

 

[jstevenson]

GAF,

I am about to go and Pick up this bad boy.....I know Lag was the only gaming concern but would appreciate if any owners could chime in and give me their quick impressions, concerns and or do/donts

Appreciate any and all Feedback......Finally made it to the OLED promise land

you're in for a real treat.

 

[Storm Raider]

5:5 pull down to display native 24fps film content (Blu-rays for example)

Okay, makes sense.

One last question.

Does this TV make 1080p content look any better? In terms of lighting and the dimming and stuff?

 

[MrJames]

Oppo put out this little tease.

https://twitter.com/OPPODIGITAL/status/738762930670473216

They also posted this tidbit with the same pic on their FB page.

Today we're interrupting Fan Friday to show you this photo. In it, you see the OLED screen of our upcoming UHD 4K player lighting up for the very first time.
So, yes... the OPPO Digital UHD 4K player is, in fact, coming soon.

 

[Jigolo]

What makes Oppo so much better than the others?

 

[MrJames]

What makes Oppo so much better than the others?

Features, build quality, performance, continued support via firmware updates, etc.

Lexicon actually rebadged the $500 BDP-83 model and try to sell it for $3,500 years ago.
https://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray...-ray-oppo-clone/oppo-inside-lexicon-outside-1

 

[Nostremitus]

Is the 55inch Sony x850c a good buy at $899?

Uses: 3D Blu Ray, Wii U, Netflix, PC comfy couch gaming

 

[ukas]

What makes Oppo so much better than the others?

This one specifically is rumored to support Dolby Vision as well as HDR10.

 

[Storm Raider]

Ugh I have so many questions about this stuff, I feel annoying.

4K TV QUESTIONS, MOSTLY ABOUT VIZIO P SERIES


Size Model LCD Type Effective Refresh Rate Real Refresh Rate
50" P50-C1 VA 120 Hz 60 Hz
55" P55-C1 IPS 240 Hz 120 Hz
65" P65-C1 VA 240 Hz 120 Hz

The 50" model comes with a VA screen, but only has a refresh rate of 60hz... 55" comes with IPS, but has 120hz...

Does the 120hz really make 24fps/movies and such look smoother? Does it look better or what?

And apparently theres a big difference in blacks with the 2 different types of panels in a dark room... sounds like I need the VA.. but it sounds like I really need 120hz to make movies look better.

Now I can have both in the 65", but its for my bedroom, and I don't think that would even fit on my dresser...

I'm so confused now. I was thinking about a 1080p OLED but the input lag looks awful. Im very sensitive to input lag also..What should I do.

Stressed haha!

 

[Aztechnology]

Ugh I have so many questions about this stuff, I feel annoying.

4K TV QUESTIONS, MOSTLY ABOUT VIZIO P SERIES


Size Model LCD Type Effective Refresh Rate Real Refresh Rate
50" P50-C1 VA 120 Hz 60 Hz
55" P55-C1 IPS 240 Hz 120 Hz
65" P65-C1 VA 240 Hz 120 Hz

The 50" model comes with a VA screen, but only has a refresh rate of 60hz... 55" comes with IPS, but has 120hz...

Does the 120hz really make 24fps/movies and such look smoother? Does it look better or what?

And apparently theres a big difference in blacks with the 2 different types of panels in a dark room... sounds like I need the VA.. but it sounds like I really need 120hz to make movies look better.

Now I can have both in the 65", but its for my bedroom, and I don't think that would even fit on my dresser...

I'm so confused now. I was thinking about a 1080p OLED but the input lag looks awful. Im very sensitive to input lag also..What should I do.

Stressed haha!

The issue with 60hz is 24hz playback as most films are causes judder because it doesn't scale refresh perfectly. For some (like me) it's extremely noticeable. Others it won't bother as much.

 

[J-Rzez]

Thanks I'm from the UK though. Just been looking at the 55in KS7000 @ £1500. 22ms input lag.

That's only a 60Hz TV. Go with at least a 8000 if you want a samsung.

GAF,

I am about to go and Pick up this bad boy.....I know Lag was the only gaming concern but would appreciate if any owners could chime in and give me their quick impressions, concerns and or do/donts

Appreciate any and all Feedback......Finally made it to the OLED promise land

Enjoy it. I've had that since last year. It still looks ridiculously good. There's a reason it was touted as the best TV last year, only surpassed by the 2016 OLED models.

Make sure to update it. Calibrate it after 200hrs as it will shift slightly during break in. You can actually use ISF-1 setting and tweak it from there to your tastes. Pretty good calibration right out of the box.

 

[vehn]

For viewing 4K blu rays... Is the only player that $400 one? I do want to get more than Netflix,Amazon, and YouTube... But spending that much to watch a dozen or so blu Rays is pretty expensive.

 

[jstevenson]

For viewing 4K blu rays... Is the only player that $400 one? I do want to get more than Netflix,Amazon, and YouTube... But spending that much to watch a dozen or so blu Rays is pretty expensive.

yup. it's basically a few months old. there's an even more expensive Panasonic one in the EU.

solid player though. The Revenant in 4K UHD Blu HDR is the best home theatre experience I've ever had

 

[mrklaw]

My 18 month old 1080p Sony has just died

On a positive note, that might mean I can replace it with a 4K set!

Which are the best 4K's for input lag at the moment? From my quick look around it seems the Sammy's are better than the Sony's at the moment.

Any ideas?

I kind of hope my 50" 100p Sony never dies, because I have an IKEA Besta TV unit and it barely fits. If I upgrade to a 4K set it'd probably be 55" which would be too big, so I'd need a living room renovation.

Where is 4K these days? I upgrade my TVs all the time but 4K hasn't interested me at all due to lack of content. But that is slowly coming. I think my tipping point would be a nice 55" HDR OLED with low lag in gaming mode, for <£2000.