Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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DJ Lushious
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I wouldn't worry about calibrating the P series for now. Out of the box the color accuracy is exceptionally good (see RTings' review). Not only that, the ISF Calibration community hasn't quite gotten to a consensus on how to calibrate for HDR, from what I understand. For now, just enjoy the TV, knowing that you're already getting an extremely accurate picture already.
I went from a Kuro Elite Pro-111fd, which still amazes me to this day. So, when I say the P65 is jaw-dropping, take my personal opinion right alongside that previous statement.
However, it must be noted the P series doesn't have any anti-glare coating. You're going to do well to have these sets in a dark room or where heavy curtains can block the sunlight.
/drool
For the first time in my nearly 20 years of being an A/V nut I'm going to spring for an Oppo. Granted the competition in the UHD-Blu market is non-existent, but the Oppo seems it will tick off every box to keep it future-proof (for now). I still have a hard time swallowing a $400-$500 price tag for an UHD-Blu player, though.
Dee Dah Dave
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Source?
I thought all 4K TV's can only hit 4K @ 60Hz? Are you referring to 1080p @ 120Hz?
I cant seem to find a good comparison chart on the new Sammy's. All the new 4K Sony TV's seem to have input lag in the 35-45ms range.
Admittedly I'm not up to date on the latest TV tech.
He probably means it's a 60Hz panel, so can only do 60Hz in any resolution.
I'm personally waiting for the PS4k for my UHD Blu Ray playback.
I'm waiting for it too but I'm sceptical that it will have Dolby Vision support.
jstevenson, do you have any dirt you can give us on its multimedia capabilities?
FrankNitty
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It'll be worth it my man trust me. I own a BDP 93, and a BDP 103D, and the second they put out their 4K player I'm all in and selling the samsung player.
Their build quality is superior, and functionality and performance are 2nd to none.
Any opinions on the Vizio E60U-D3? Looking to upgrade to a 4K, Vizio seems to hit the sweet spot for size/price, was eyeing this TV at Costco today. I know the refreshed M series is coming with HDR, but I doubt the family is going to have any need for that. Only problem is that I can't seem to find a whole lot of impressions for this model since it seems fairly new.
DJ Lushious
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What is your spending limit and max size you're looking at? And TV usage? I can't speak for the E series, but we might be able to steer you towards something that's in the right ballpark.
Looking to get a 55-60" around that 800-900 price. Potentially a little higher, but adding a comma to the price isn't too favorable. Doesn't seem to be a lot of options outside of Vizio, which I'm okay with given the generally favorable things said about their recent sets. Aside from the refreshed HDR of the M series, the one thing that it seems to have over the E is the increased amount of LED zones, but to be honest, while I like a good looking TV and know a bit in terms of the tech, I'm not sure if I'd even notice something like that in everyday use.
If it's worth anything, a majority of use will be through my PS4.
Dee Dah Dave
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I see, so if I'm only running 4K (PC) it doesn't really matter?
All these new terms like UHD and now SUHD are frying my brain
Tal Shiar Agent
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Is Vizio usually always good with games? I'm looking at getting the D series 48 inch 1080p display since RT says the it's one of the best for gaming. I'd like to know the opinions of Gaffers who own it.
How is your response times with your VA panels in your TVs for gaming/PC usage? Do you guys find there's a lot of black smearing while turning the camera in games or is it acceptable/unnoticeable?
One of the biggest complaints about the Z35 Gsync VA monitor, is that the VA panel has terrible black smearing and ghosting, even though it's a 200hz monitor.
I'm researching buying a chroma 4:4:4 4K TV for pure PC monitor use, and the only acceptable one I've found so far that isn't a complete panel lottery is the Sony X810C. Anyone have this Tv have any thoughts?
I'm worried I'm going to spend all this time and money and then get the monitor, and realize the smearing/ghosting is awful.
One of the biggest complaints about the Z35 Gsync VA monitor, is that the VA panel has terrible black smearing and ghosting, even though it's a 200hz monitor.
I'm researching buying a chroma 4:4:4 4K TV for pure PC monitor use, and the only acceptable one I've found so far that isn't a complete panel lottery is the Sony X810C. Anyone have this Tv have any thoughts?
I'm worried I'm going to spend all this time and money and then get the monitor, and realize the smearing/ghosting is awful.
55" 2016 Vizio P is on sale for $200 off at Best Buy this weekend ($1,099.99).:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-5...1&ksdevice=t&gclid=CKaJi7TQj80CFQZkhgodoGELgg
I would have got it if I didn't need to make some "emergency purchases" this past week.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-5...1&ksdevice=t&gclid=CKaJi7TQj80CFQZkhgodoGELgg
I would have got it if I didn't need to make some "emergency purchases" this past week.
Storm Raider
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-5...lack/4352100.p?id=1219736059154&skuId=4352100
I don't understand this.. Why does this TV say 120hz if it's not?
I don't understand this.. Why does this TV say 120hz if it's not?
Aztechnology
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They always show the Motion Interpolation rate. Native or effective rate is usually half of what they advertise.
Storm Raider
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Ok.... But apparently it still has 4:4:4 pull down? That's possible right? Ugh
No, its chroma 4:4:4 is actually 4:2:2, not sure if it's a bug or just a design flaw with the P-series. It will report 4:4:4 but it will not display it to the screen correctly as reported by various reviews and users across the web (who have submitted photo proof), and you'll get blurry subsampling. Annoying, since it's a great set otherwise.
Only the 55" or above of the P series has 120hz native, and only on 1080p. The 50" does only have 120hz motion interpolation.
Storm Raider
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Geez, the 50" and 55" have officially pissed me off. I just want the best set, for the lowest price... Guess I'm going with the 65" then?
Or are you saying the 65" and above don't have 4:4:4 at 4K?
This stuff is such a headache for me. Sorry for all the questions everyone
Can you show proof that the 55" isn't 120hz native? That's not what I've understood.
Aztechnology
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4:4:4 appears to not be functioning properly on all the new P series? So it's showing 4:2:2 (Essentially what that means is color information compression, here's some info about what that means simplified)
The Pulldown issue isn't on the new P series, even on the 60hz because it has reverse pulldown which is able to compensate and show the intended 24 fps playback. So it's not really an issue on these sets. Still stupid that they don't do 120hz on the smaller models. Alot of PC gamers are favoring Vizio and would like to have the 1080@120fps but don't want to buy a larger set.
All P-series regardless of size have the 4:4:4->4:2:2 bug as far as I know. I don't know if they're going to fix it with a firmware update or if that's possible. It's not the end of the world unless you're using it for a dedicated PC monitor thought.
Yes, the 65" is technically the best 'feature complete' P-series, since it has all the features and the VA panel if you care about black levels/contrast. However, at $1999, may as well just spend a bit more and get an LG OLED at that point. That's where I got stuck and gave up on the P-series. I looked at Samsungs KS8000 and it's a very good set, but has panel lottery with bad blacklight bleeding since it's edge lit.
My bad. I got confused because the difference with that one is the IPS panel. It is 120hz. I'll edit that so it's not confusing for others.
Storm Raider
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Yeah, the LG's look amazing, but their input lag leaves something to be desired...
cpp_is_king
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Where can i go to see an LG OLED65E6P in person? Would best buy have them on display? $6k is a lot to spend on reviews alone without first seeing it in person. The 55" model would be ok too
jstevenson
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Magnolia Best Buys should have them
DJ Lushious
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What is the 4:4:4 bug you speak of? From AVSForum's P-Series Owner's Thread:
Two things kept me from upgrading to an LG OLED for my UHDTV. They are prohibitively expensive and their input lag was too middle-of-the-road.
Now, I don't want to come across as the "P-Series Defense Force;" I nearly throw up in my mouth whenever I think about how I went from a plasma to an LCD panel (let alone even buying a Vizio), but the picture quality is simply jaw-dropping. Then factor in the 17ms lag for video games and Vizio absolutely caught my attention. I game first, watch movies second, but both are important to my living room's centerpiece.
I initially bought the P65 to see if it was an upgrade or a sidegrade to my Kuro Elite. If I felt it was a sidegrade, it was to be returned, else I'd keep it until OLED matured more and dropped in price. Well, naturally, I was super impressed, so I've kept the set.
So, yeah, that's my long-winded explanation for my reasoning, and happiness, with the P-Series. I do want to see a few things come out of the OLED technology world, though. More adoption from manufacturers, of course, a cheaper cost of entry, also of course, and better motion handling solution(s). A previous GAFfer stated above, jstevenson (I think), that currently OLEDs aren't using black frame insertion. It's a pretty ingenious solution to the sample-and-hold motion blur and one I've taken to quite nicely on the P-Series (I notice the flickering for about 15 seconds and then never again for that session and the light reduction is minor).
Fachasaurus
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I'm about to purchase the LG 55EG9100 soon. I just don't know if I want to commit to 4K right now. I'm going to be moving in 3 years and I know I will want a bigger and nicer TV then. But there just doesn't seem to be enough 4K content to justify the price of the high end sets at this point. Anyone have any advice or suggestions? Anyone own the LG 55 I mentioned earlier and can talk about it? I really just want OLED for primarily movies (all kinds) and for my PS. 4K and HDR are not nearly adopted enough I feel. Would I be missing out?
mmazurkiewicz
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all the big movies going forward are gonna be released in 4K.
I chose the exact same TV for the exact same reason and i couldn't be happier about it. Just enjoy all the current 1080p content to the fullest, in a few years 4K will have much more content, BR 4K won't sell for 500$, PCs will have hardware powerful enough to handle the resolution properly and consoles will have some titles at that resolution. That's when we'll buy a great 4K (OLED) TV that will be much better - and possibly cheaper - than anything on the market today.
At the correct viewing distance, you can't see that.
Caayn
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The EG9100 looks great. However I do recommend that you see it in a store first. I personally found the pixel pitch to be too large for my taste, which is different from a LCD size TV with the same size/resolution.
cpp_is_king
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I'm on the fence as well. Assuming i don't go 4k, what's the best tv for under $4000? Input lag doesn't matter as it won't be my primary gaming tv. Movies and streaming primarily
Jigolo
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Samsung KS9000 or 9500
You can't buy an 1080p TV today with updated HDMI ports, wide color gamut, and HDR. So this is the kind of TV you want for movies and streaming. No 3D tho
LG EG9100 (by far)
OLED+4K+HDR for that price? Sure, wait for reviews just to be safe, but you should be ok with that TV
PeterVenkman
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Welp. LG 55B6 at $2,999 was the highest end of me biting. Might wait on reviews first. But knowing I could just roll out and get one is super tempting.
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Yeah, all that. Aside from some of my far-flung dreams like freesync, this TV checks all my boxes. The panels are supposedly the same, or damn near close, to the other 2016 panels, so here's hoping input lag is as well.
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Rodin said:OLED+4K+HDR for that price? Sure, wait for reviews just to be safe, but you should be ok with that TV
Yeah, all that. Aside from some of my far-flung dreams like freesync, this TV checks all my boxes. The panels are supposedly the same, or damn near close, to the other 2016 panels, so here's hoping input lag is as well.
Jigolo
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Oh wow the price is out? I thought it was gonna start out at $4000
cpp_is_king
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If i do go 4k I'm leaning towards the LG OLED55E6P. Was looking for an alternative in case I don't. But since you mentioned the samsung, why do you like it better than the lg?
Jigolo
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I don't, lol. Just giving some options and cheaper alternatives. The Samsungs aren't bad TVs and are pretty much the best LCDs you can buy.
The only positive over the OLED is the input lag which doesn't matter for your needs.
PeterVenkman
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That was MSRP, which matched the "sale" price of the E6. Didn't think the two would be identical for long, but yeah, it's already 3k.
I am probably gonna buy it at this point, barring some kind of crazy discrepancy between it and the other panels.
I'm not 100% sure about this but input lag should be 34ms on the entire 2016 line up (doesn't make particular sense for them to change electronics between these models), which is pretty good. My EG9100 has around 39 and i never noticed any lag in games.
Monty Mole
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Got my 55" B6 OLED on Wednesday which replaces my EF950 OLED from last year.
Impressions after a few days:
- The input lag is significantly reduced compared to the EF950. Everything feels great to play whereas things felt a little 'heavy' on the EF950. Ratchet in particular feels a ton better with camera movements.
- Games look phenomenal on this set. Phenomenal. There's no words to describe just how incredible Ratchet looks on this thing. Same goes for everything you throw at this set.
- Uniformity is hugely improved compared to the EF950. In fact I don't see any banding whatsoever on actual content. There is no vignetting whatsoever and there are only very, very faint vertical bands at around 4% greyscale and below on test slides. I'm yet to see these on any real life content, and yet the bands would rear their ugly heads often on the EF950. No yellow banding or tinting at all on a white screen either. Massive improvement.
- Near-blacks are handled beautifully. It's clear that they've fixed the near-black gradation issues of last year's OLEDs and everything looks spot-on.
- I've not got a fast enough connection for Dolby Vision on Netflix yet - I'm getting a connection upgrade next month though so will finally have 60mbps. But I've tried some HDR10 test clips including the Life of Pi clip with the candles and they look genuinely jaw-dropping on this set. Even more so in the dark - blacks are completely and utterly black and whites are totally white. The dynamic range is unbelievable.
This is the best TV I've ever owned by miles and miles. I've had Panny plasmas including the VT65 (VT60 in US). I've had Samsung LEDs. I've had the 930V 1080p OLED and the EF950 before this. It blows all their socks off and then some. If you have the money, get this TV - or the C6, E6 or G6. As a fussy videophile, this thing is the stuff of my dreams. I know this post reads like hyperbole but make no mistake, it's really that good
EDIT: I should also say they've fixed the motion issues with 24p content - last year's OLEDs had an occasional stutter on fast pans in 24p content and it was infuriating to say the least. Completely fixed this year. 24p content on Netflix is stunning too and motion is perfect
I'm over the moon. I've waited years for a TV like this and finally LG has got it right.
Impressions after a few days:
- The input lag is significantly reduced compared to the EF950. Everything feels great to play whereas things felt a little 'heavy' on the EF950. Ratchet in particular feels a ton better with camera movements.
- Games look phenomenal on this set. Phenomenal. There's no words to describe just how incredible Ratchet looks on this thing. Same goes for everything you throw at this set.
- Uniformity is hugely improved compared to the EF950. In fact I don't see any banding whatsoever on actual content. There is no vignetting whatsoever and there are only very, very faint vertical bands at around 4% greyscale and below on test slides. I'm yet to see these on any real life content, and yet the bands would rear their ugly heads often on the EF950. No yellow banding or tinting at all on a white screen either. Massive improvement.
- Near-blacks are handled beautifully. It's clear that they've fixed the near-black gradation issues of last year's OLEDs and everything looks spot-on.
- I've not got a fast enough connection for Dolby Vision on Netflix yet - I'm getting a connection upgrade next month though so will finally have 60mbps. But I've tried some HDR10 test clips including the Life of Pi clip with the candles and they look genuinely jaw-dropping on this set. Even more so in the dark - blacks are completely and utterly black and whites are totally white. The dynamic range is unbelievable.
This is the best TV I've ever owned by miles and miles. I've had Panny plasmas including the VT65 (VT60 in US). I've had Samsung LEDs. I've had the 930V 1080p OLED and the EF950 before this. It blows all their socks off and then some. If you have the money, get this TV - or the C6, E6 or G6. As a fussy videophile, this thing is the stuff of my dreams. I know this post reads like hyperbole but make no mistake, it's really that good
EDIT: I should also say they've fixed the motion issues with 24p content - last year's OLEDs had an occasional stutter on fast pans in 24p content and it was infuriating to say the least. Completely fixed this year. 24p content on Netflix is stunning too and motion is perfect
I'm over the moon. I've waited years for a TV like this and finally LG has got it right.
PeterVenkman
Member
Got my 55" B6 OLED on Wednesday which replaces my EF950 OLED from last year.
Impressions after a few days:
- The input lag is significantly reduced compared to the EF950. Everything feels great to play whereas things felt a little 'heavy' on the EF950. Ratchet in particular feels a ton better with camera movements.
- Games look phenomenal on this set. Phenomenal. There's no words to describe just how incredible Ratchet looks on this thing. Same goes for everything you throw at this set.
- Uniformity is hugely improved compared to the EF950. In fact I don't see any banding whatsoever on actual content. There is no vignetting whatsoever and there are only very, very faint vertical bands at around 4% greyscale and below on test slides. I'm yet to see these on any real life content, and yet the bands would rear their ugly heads often on the EF950. No yellow banding or tinting at all on a white screen either. Massive improvement.
- Near-blacks are handled beautifully. It's clear that they've fixed the near-black gradation issues of last year's OLEDs and everything looks spot-on.
- I've not got a fast enough connection for Dolby Vision on Netflix yet - I'm getting a connection upgrade next month though so will finally have 60mbps. But I've tried some HDR10 test clips including the Life of Pi clip with the candles and they look genuinely jaw-dropping on this set. Even more so in the dark - blacks are completely and utterly black and whites are totally white. The dynamic range is unbelievable.
This is the best TV I've ever owned by miles and miles. I've had Panny plasmas including the VT65 (VT60 in US). I've had Samsung LEDs. I've had the 930V 1080p OLED and the EF950 before this. It blows all their socks off and then some. If you have the money, get this TV - or the C6, E6 or G6. As a fussy videophile, this thing is the stuff of my dreams. I know this post reads like hyperbole but make no mistake, it's really that good
EDIT: I should also say they've fixed the motion issues with 24p content - last year's OLEDs had an occasional stutter on fast pans in 24p content and it was infuriating to say the least. Completely fixed this year. 24p content on Netflix is stunning too and motion is perfect
I'm over the moon. I've waited years for a TV like this and finally LG has got it right.
Great impressions, really appreciate it! Sounds like exactly what I am looking for.
Have you noticed either an auto dimming or white flash issues? Both have been mentioned over at AVS, and I am wondering how the B6 fares.
Dee Dah Dave
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60 inch sammy KS7000 looking tempting. Anyone got one?
PeterVenkman
Member
Soundbar and a different design, but supposedly the panels are the same. I haven't seen any full breakdowns though since the B and C are recently released.
Supposedly different SOCs as well.
cpp_is_king
Member
Saw the LG OLED55E6P in store today. I couldn't find an HBO GO app. Did I just miss it, or does it really not have one?
osiris3355
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Nope. If you care about built-in smart TV functionality stay away from the LG. Sony is by far the best IMO due to number of apps, additional cast support and by far the best voice dictation.