Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

osiris3355 said:
Nope. If you care about built-in smart TV functionality stay away from the LG. Sony is by far the best IMO due to number of apps, additional cast support and by far the best voice dictation.
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Hmm, thanks. Are there any Sony 4k + 3D OLEDs that are competitive, or at least in the same ballpark with the LG in terms of features and image quality?
 
Planning on getting a new TV in the next month or so (UK based), it's used for your usual TV/Netflix as well as all gaming on all current gen consoles. At the minute I have a terrible 32" in a huge 40" frame. Not even proper 1080p... It needs to go!

Currently eyeing up a few 40" TV's, thinking for the extra bit of money to get a 4K screen because why not. Looking at these two, anyone know if they're any good?

Samsung UE40JU6000

LG40UF770V

Any suggestions otherwise?
 
Ironically Supporting Fascism Is Cool Bro said:
Hmm, thanks. Are there any Sony 4k + 3D OLEDs that are competitive, or at least in the same ballpark with the LG in terms of features and image quality?
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I would look at the 930D/940D models but your still just comparing two different technologies. You aren't going to get OLED blacks on a Sony or any other set other than LG. Not sure what you mean by features. You will need to be more specific.
 
mmazurkiewicz said:
all the big movies going forward are gonna be released in 4K.
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Rodin said:
I chose the exact same TV for the exact same reason and i couldn't be happier about it. Just enjoy all the current 1080p content to the fullest, in a few years 4K will have much more content, BR 4K won't sell for 500$, PCs will have hardware powerful enough to handle the resolution properly and consoles will have some titles at that resolution. That's when we'll buy a great 4K (OLED) TV that will be much better - and possibly cheaper - than anything on the market today.



At the correct viewing distance, you can't see that.
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Caayn said:
The EG9100 looks great. However I do recommend that you see it in a store first. I personally found the pixel pitch to be too large for my taste, which is different from a LCD size TV with the same size/resolution.
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I'll definitely try and find it in a store nearby if possible but I'm glad you've all given your experiences. I think for now with my budget and content it's the best choice for me. Thank you all. Appreciate the help!
 
Any 40-46 inch TVs with VA panels and native 120Hz refresh rate?

I'm leaning towards the Sony 43 X830C. Any good options from LG or Samsung with VA panels + 120Hz native refresh rate?
 
When i bought my TV years ago, i didnt know the input lag. Right now, i cant seem to find it online.

Can anyone help?

Samsung UN46B7100WFXZA (sticker on the back)
conflicting information in the menu screen - UN46B7000

Side note: when i bought the tv as an open box, i had the board replaced because the hdmi wasnt working. so idk if they replaced it with the 7000 version or what to go by.
 
Samurai G0SU said:
When i bought my TV years ago, i didnt know the input lag. Right now, i cant seem to find it online.

Can anyone help?

UN46B7000
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It's difficult to find input lag numbers for older sets (yours is 2011, I think) because the Bodnar tester didn't come out until 2013 or so and the other methods (comparing pictures of the screen next to a monitor, etc.) are imprecise and hard to do in a showroom/sales floor. That being said, by looking at similar sets in that age/model on displaylag.com, I'm going to guess that your set is probably in the 35-40ms range which is not too bad.

If you want real numbers you'll need to get a Leo Bodnar tester which is around $100. I've often wondered about the lag on my own SXRD TV from 2006 (and my new receiver, too) but not enough to buy the tester.

As an aside, Displaylag.com really started out as a great resource but has been disappointing lately. Maybe he's just busy with life but he doesn't add many sets these days. One would think you could spend an afternoon at Best Buy and come away with dozens of new entries for the database. Only 16 2016 sets listed and not one OLED. Ah well.
 
Dr. Zoidberg said:
It's difficult to find input lag numbers for older sets (yours is 2011, I think) because the Bodnar tester didn't come out until 2013 or so and the other methods (comparing pictures of the screen next to a monitor, etc.) are imprecise and hard to do in a showroom/sales floor. That being said, by looking at similar sets in that age/model on displaylag.com, I'm going to guess that your set is probably in the 35-40ms range which is not too bad.

If you want real numbers you'll need to get a Leo Bodnar tester which is around $100. I've often wondered about the lag on my own SXRD TV from 2006 (and my new receiver, too) but not enough to buy the tester.

As an aside, Displaylag.com really started out as a great resource but has been disappointing lately. Maybe he's just busy with life but he doesn't add many sets these days. One would think you could spend an afternoon at Best Buy and come away with dozens of new entries for the database. Only 16 2016 sets listed and not one OLED. Ah well.
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Thanks for the help. I did some digging on the samsung website and it claimed it has a 4ms response time. i didnt believe it and i believe your number more.

I waiting for my p55-c1 to arrive tomorrow and im excited to test it out. But i dont think ill use hdmi 5 since i kind of want a better picture versus the 17ms.
 
I know this is a thread for displays, but do we have a home theater thread to cover the other components, like speakers, receivers, and amps? AVSForums can be a bit daunting, if wandering around aimlessly.
 
Really need my Samsung LED from 2011 to roll over and die. It's cloudy. Has terrible input lag. But as long as it's still working ....
 
OCDChewie said:
Any opinions? I haven't had an easy time finding good reviews.
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From my experience Philips TVs aren't good for gaming as they have a high input lag. Shame actually as Philips has some awesome tech on their TVs (Ambilight, Ambilux, Hue control).

Speaking about Philips they should be preparing an OLED with that tech for this year.
 
ukas said:
Should be about the same as the G/E which is 35ms.
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I'm aware, but it's never safe to assume. In general, it's actually much more common for there to be differences across model tiers than for them all to be the same. Panasonic shared the same PDP panel across most of their models, but there could be vast differences in the lag.
 
Caayn said:
From my experience Philips TVs aren't good for gaming as they have a high input lag. Shame actually as Philips has some awesome tech on their TVs (Ambilight, Ambilux, Hue control).

Speaking about Philips they should be preparing an OLED with that tech for this year.
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Okay, thanks.
 
MrJames said:
I measured 70ms on my 60A3000 SXRD with a LB. 60ms in game/text mode.
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That's higher than I would have thought. I have an older 50A2000 and I feel like it's got to be lower than that. There are no game modes on this set, though I have turned off all the extra processing in the picture settings and advanced menus, so maybe that's why. It's perfectly matched with the Wii U pad's display to my naked eye so maybe around 20-30ms since the pad has lag as well? I'll probably never know for sure. Thanks for that info, though.

Reallink said:
it's actually much more common for there to be differences across model tiers than for them all to be the same. Panasonic shared the same PDP panel across most of their models, but there could be vast differences in the lag.
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Exactly. This talk about how every 2016 LG OLED model should have the same lag is optimism and wishful thinking. They very well COULD all have the same lag results, but we don't know for sure yet, and history shows far more evidence that there might be different results across models. I'm just saying we should depend on verified results when it comes to the cheaper models, not assumptions.
 
Reallink said:
I'm aware, but it's never safe to assume. In general, it's actually much more common for there to be differences across model tiers than for them all to be the same. Panasonic shared the same PDP panel across most of their models, but there could be vast differences in the lag.
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Lag is definitely reduced massively on the B6 compared to the EF950 (~50ms) which I've replaced. Games felt heavy and sluggish on the EF950 - some verging on the unplayable. But on the B6 games feel perfect and I can't notice any lag whatsoever, everything feels fun again :) I'd be surprised if it's not 34ms like the rest of this year's range, either way it's definitely much lower than 50ms I can guarantee that. I struggle to tolerate anything above 40ms - I tried to convince myself I could live with the lag on the EF950 but I really couldn't, hence getting the B6 to replace it.

On the EF950, games like TLOU, Ratchet and Halo 5 were really difficult to play. Also aiming in MGS:TPP. Metro was really bad. Not the case at all with my B6.
 
Storm Raider said:
Is it true that upscaling 1080p games on a 4K TV will increase the input lag?

Specifically the Vizio P-Series
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Avoiding scaling does not necessarily reduce lag at all. Likewise internal scaling doesn't necessarily increase it. It depends on how all of the processing in the set is implemented.

Bottom line is you have to test.
 
Storm Raider said:
Is it true that upscaling 1080p games on a 4K TV will increase the input lag?

Specifically the Vizio P-Series
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The lag testing device everyone references only outputs 1080p in its current form, so any numbers you see represents 1080p scaled to 4k by the TV.
 
Storm Raider said:
Sweet, so I guess the 17ms number rtings.com got with its Leo Bodnar device would be the correct number.

Thank you.
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I'll take this moment to reassure you that the P65-C1 feels exceptionally responsive. I've switched picture modes from Game to Calibrated Dark and immediately noticed a distinct visual delay between pressing a button and the video feed catching up.

If you get a P65-C1, remember that HDMI Input 5 is dedicated to providing the best experience for games. However, I've also used HDMI Input 1 in Game Mode with no discernible difference.

Though, as always, let the numbers do the talking.
 
DJ Lushious said:
If you get a P65-C1, remember that HDMI Input 5 is dedicated to providing the best experience for games.
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I have all my game systems' HDMIs going into my A/V receiver. Do modern receivers typically contribute any input lag?

Obviously the alternative is picking just one system to plug into input 5 and that isn't ideal either...
 
Smokey said:
Really need my Samsung LED from 2011 to roll over and die. It's cloudy. Has terrible input lag. But as long as it's still working ....
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Go to a local store where they sell tv's, go and look for the LG OLED sections. Come back to buy a LG OLED if/when you have the money :D
 
DJ Lushious said:
I'll take this moment to reassure you that the P65-C1 feels exceptionally responsive. I've switched picture modes from Game to Calibrated Dark and immediately noticed a distinct visual delay between pressing a button and the video feed catching up.

If you get a P65-C1, remember that HDMI Input 5 is dedicated to providing the best experience for games. However, I've also used HDMI Input 1 in Game Mode with no discernible difference.

Though, as always, let the numbers do the talking.
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Wow this is great news. I should be picking one up soon... Decided on saving a few extra dollars to get the 120hz/VA 65" instead of either picking one or the other of the the 60hz/VA 50" or 120hz/IPS 55".

Too excited.
 
I couldn't wait at the new price - 55B6 should show up this week. I'll be using it as a living room PC, console and media hub, so I'll have plenty to report.
 
guitarguy316 said:
I fixed my issue. My Avr receiver was doing some upconversion to 4K. I turned that off and let tv do it and with game mode on its fine now.
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I'm running my inputs directly into the tv (65KS8000). 1080p systems work great, but when I run my computer at 4K into the TV, game mode does exactly what you were describing. Every 3-4 seconds, it sorta skips/stutters.

It's been driving me completely insane. Using PC mode works fine, but with the extra input lag, it's not a good solution. I've tested it with 2 different computers, and it's the same story.

Do you have a computer that you can plug in directly to test?
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
So, exact same tv and I've noticed this issue as well. Game mode is totally fucked with constant stutter or tearing or something. PC mode is fine. But, turn on game mode and it turns into a shit show. On 3D games it appears as a stutter. But, it's easier to see playing 2D games. It looks like a weird screen tearing thing.

Wonder how wide spread this issue is.
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Did you ever solve this issue? I'm in the middle of it, and it's driving me nucking futs.
 
Sounds like Sony is doing another 2016 refresh. This time with better guts so faster processing etc. Not sure if panels will see any improvements yet.
 
I have done extensive testing with input lag, I have the Leo Bodnar tester and have tested 40 plus tv's and monitors with it.

Currently I have the LG Oled ec9300 which the Leo Bodnar shows 36-42ms on the middle bar, for some reason it changes everytime I test it. Now the LG has less than .03ms pixel response time, the Leo Bodnar takes into account everything in the video chain ( controller, tv processing, pixel response).

Now I also have the 49ks8000 Samsung, it has 21ms input lag on the middle bar and has about 17ms of pixel response ( rtings website tested the pixel response time ).

I have gone back and forth with the two tvs with a ps4, mkx, sfv and bf4 AND there is a huge difference in lag. You may say there is only 15-20ms difference but if you look at what I say above, the Samsung actually only has 4ms of input lag and the LG Oled has 36-40ms.

Why you ask? That is because with the Leo Bodnar we have to subtract the pixel response time from the number to get the true display input lag, normally this hasnt been an issue until OLED came around as its pixel response is .03ms which is much faster then the best lcd pc monitors.

I could go on and on about input lag haha, I really hate it!! >:


I will agree with that if displays with like for like pixel response and the lag is a 10ms difference then it wont be noticable between each other. Again I tested this with the 49ks8000 21ms middle bar and the Samsung 27c750p that has 9ms middle bar. The pixel response time on the monitor was 5ms according to PRAD.de which gives us a true input lag at 4ms which is identical to the Samsung tv!!
 
Jigolo said:
No offense but I wish I could understand your post. It could be very helpful
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Sorry!!

The Leo Bodnar when giving the number for lag on a display accounts for pixel response too. Oled has almost instant pixel response and lcd does not.

Basically all the lag numbers for oled tv's may look similiar to lcd tvs but in fact the oled tvs have alot more lag.

It is too bad because imho oled gives a superior picture to lcd. 42ms of input lag on a oled is just over 2 and half frames, alot of tvs that show 20ms of input lag really have 1/4 of frame lag, so to me for just about any 60fps game I play it can be felt.

There is a point when we start feeling lag, 42ms in of itself isnt alot of time but we are adding it onto the controller and processing lag from the game console then the tv we start to feel the lag.
 
Is 29ms an acceptable amount of input lag? I play a lot of fighting games and I'm looking at getting a Sony Bravia KDL40W600B. Is this a good tv for that?
 
Rabid Dwarf 76 said:
Is 29ms an acceptable amount of input lag? I play a lot of fighting games and I'm looking at getting a Sony Bravia KDL40W600B. Is this a good tv for that?
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Yeah it's very good and the TV itself is pretty decent, but you should look at Samsung TVs if you want the lowest input lag.
 
Blackvette94 said:
Sorry!!

The Leo Bodnar when giving the number for lag on a display accounts for pixel response too. Oled has almost instant pixel response and lcd does not.

Basically all the lag numbers for oled tv's may look similiar to lcd tvs but in fact the oled tvs have alot more lag.
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Sorry, but I still don't understand your point. Why would you feel the need to subtract the pixel response time from the total lag number?
If you had (just as a silly example) an LCD screen with 0 input lag by your definition but 40ms of pixel response and an OLED with 40ms of input lag and 0 of pixel response the end result in both cases wouldn't be that you see the final image 40ms after it has reached the TV or I am missing something?
 
MaxwellParrish said:
Sorry, but I still don't understand your point. Why would you feel the need to subtract the pixel response time from the total lag number?
If you had (just as a silly example) an LCD screen with 0 input lag by your definition but 40ms of pixel response and an OLED with 40ms of input lag and 0 of pixel response the end result in both cases wouldn't be that you see the final image 40ms after it has reached the TV or I am missing something?
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Pixel response time causes blur, it doesnt change how the game feels like lag does.
 
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