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[GlamFM]

Panasonic S64 50" from Costco is $629. Pretty much impossible to beat PQ for the price. Anti-reflective filter on an S60 panel. 34 ms response time.

Not quite at the VT60 level, but then again its like a quarter of the price.

Thank you - will check it out.

 

[Wray]

So is the Panasonic Plasma ST60 series worth the extra money over the S60 series? I was thinking about getting one of them.

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60ST60

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P60S60

How are they for gaming?

Also, what is the best place to order one? Directly from Panasonic? Amazon? Best Buy?

 

[Lima]

The ST60 has better picture quality but don't pick it over the S60 for gaming because of the significantly higher input lag.

 

[MikeE21286]

The 65" S64 is apparently on sale for $1288 (w/ free shipping) at Sam's Club

From what I've read the S64 is basically the ST60 with the input lag fixed.

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/65-600...hdmi-wifi/prod9300314.ip?searchTerm=TC-65PS64

I am very tempted...

 

[Wray]

The ST60 has better picture quality but don't pick it over the S60 for gaming because of the significantly higher input lag.

Well I'd probably be using it for Gaming 50% of the time, and 50% of the time for TV Shows and Movies.

 

[The Real Napsta]

Well I'd probably be using it for Gaming 50% of the time, and 50% of the time for TV Shows and Movies.

Might want to go with something smaller then, big screens are terrible for gaming.

 

[boyshine]

My new Panasonic 55" DT60 is being delivered tomorrow. I hope it's good!

 

[ElektroDragon]

OLED obviously, but until those become big enough and affordable enough, my vote goes to the 65" Sony 65HX950 full array LED with local dimming.

Best LED on the market without question. Nothing else comes close.

Plasmas are nice too, but MAKE SURE if you get one of those that it has some form of motion interpolation, unlike the Samsung models. Otherwise, you will be in double image hell whenever you camera pan in non-60FPS games.

I actually play my games on the Sony with Motion Flow enabled despite the slight increase in lag because I just can't stand camera panning judder.

Also plasmas get very hot, have line bleed issues, can buzz, can have color uniformity issues, and a host of other hassles, not to mention image retention when gaming. And of course if your whites to look white on plasma, good luck, because of automatic brightness limiting. Plasmas are dimmer in general.

Trust me, I'm a TV expert, I tried every tech and TV inside my house except OLED so far.

 

[Lima]

Might want to go with something smaller then, big screens are terrible for gaming.

Lol what is this shit? How is a big screen terrible for gaming. Seriously I can't stop laughing right now...

 

[Wray]

Ya I never heard the Big Screen is bad for gaming talk.

Still though, how bad is the ST60 for gaming compared to the S60?

 

[Lima]

Still though, how bad is the ST60 for gaming compared to the S60?

34ms vs. 74 ms.

74ms is pretty bad. If you could extend your budget to a VT60 I'd say go for it, otherwise get the S60 or S64.

 

[AwRy108]

Might want to go with something smaller then, big screens are terrible for gaming.

 

[AwRy108]

OLED obviously, but until those become big enough and affordable enough, my vote goes to the 65" Sony 65HX950 full array LED with local dimming.

Best LED on the market without question. Nothing else comes close.

Plasmas are nice too, but MAKE SURE if you get one of those that it has some form of motion interpolation, unlike the Samsung models. Otherwise, you will be in double image hell whenever you camera pan in non-60FPS games.

Except that the set you recommend costs $7000... Dude, you could get 5 terrific Panasonic Plasma's for that price.

 

[The Boat]

I've pretty much given up on getting a plasma. My price range is 500€ TOPS and it's impossible to get a full HD Panny for that price since it seems next to impossible to find the older models in Portugal.
So I guess I'm looking into a LED LCD, but I have no idea which ones are good for gaming and movies, 40 inch minimum.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Lol what is this shit? How is a big screen terrible for gaming. Seriously I can't stop laughing right now...

Ya I never heard the Big Screen is bad for gaming talk.

Still though, how bad is the ST60 for gaming compared to the S60?

Well, it's bad if you're an ultra-competitive online tryhard type of player. If you're just looking to kick back and enjoy games with the "wow" factor that comes from a big screen, then by all means, go for it. I've used TVs as large as 65" as my primary gaming display before.

 

[FoZzI bEaR]

40 inch minimum.

Why 40"?

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Stupid question, but has anyone put together a definitive list of good tv's based on manufacturer in this thread?

I'm thinking of plunking down on LG's newest flagship LED/LCD because it's got the passive 3D, but I'm going to have to dig up the specs to see how bad the lag would be, or if it's got a gaming mode.

What's the Panasonic Plasma everyone's currently raving about?

 

[Dynamic3]

Except that the set you recommend costs $7000... Dude, you could get 5 terrific Panasonic Plasma's for that price.

You're confused with the 65X900 (this year's 4K 65"). The 65HX950 was Sony's '12 top of the line 1080p set (still $5,000). The problem with full-array LED TVs at this point in time is that they still don't have 1920x1080 LEDs. I'm not sure of the actual number of LEDs on that particular set but the issue that arises is you often see "blooming," as in an outline of brightness on a particular object as each LED lights more than one pixel and thus the brightening is somewhat imprecise.

 

[Dynamic3]

Stupid question, but has anyone put together a definitive list of good tv's based on manufacturer in this thread?

I'm thinking of plunking down on LG's newest flagship LED/LCD because it's got the passive 3D, but I'm going to have to dig up the specs to see how bad the lag would be, or if it's got a gaming mode.

What's the Panasonic Plasma everyone's currently raving about?

The Sony W802A has ~17ms of lag (one of if not the lowest figures) and passive 3D (includes four pairs of glasses as well).

 

[The Boat]

Why 40"?

Why not? I have a huge living room and I want a big TV, if I could get a bigger one I would, provided it's a quality TV in my price range of course. I already havea good 24" monitor, now I need something bigger for the living room.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

The Sony W802A has ~17ms of lag (one of if not the lowest figures) and passive 3D (includes four pairs of glasses as well).

Ooooh, will look into that. Thanks for the info.

Edit: That TV is damn sexy. I'm pretty sure you just sold me on my next display. Any other recommendations for passive 3d tv and minimal display lag?

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

OLED obviously, but until those become big enough and affordable enough, my vote goes to the 65" Sony 65HX950 full array LED with local dimming.

Best LED on the market without question. Nothing else comes close.

Plasmas are nice too, but MAKE SURE if you get one of those that it has some form of motion interpolation, unlike the Samsung models. Otherwise, you will be in double image hell whenever you camera pan in non-60FPS games.

I actually play my games on the Sony with Motion Flow enabled despite the slight increase in lag because I just can't stand camera panning judder.

Also plasmas get very hot, have line bleed issues, can buzz, can have color uniformity issues, and a host of other hassles, not to mention image retention when gaming. And of course if your whites to look white on plasma, good luck, because of automatic brightness limiting. Plasmas are dimmer in general.

Trust me, I'm a TV expert, I tried every tech and TV inside my house except OLED so far.

Does Sony sell that exact same panel (contrast-wise) minus the 3D & added app crap at a lower price or are all lower tier Sony set not include that Full array local dimming LED?

 

[Fehyd]

Ooooh, will look into that. Thanks for the info.

Edit: That TV is damn sexy. I'm pretty sure you just sold me on my next display. Any other recommendations for passive 3d tv and minimal display lag?

As someone who has a pretty bright living room, I've had to avoid plasmas, and the Sony is probably the set I'm considering as well. The response time is impressive as well.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

As someone who has a pretty bright living room, I've had to avoid plasmas, and the Sony is probably the set I'm considering as well. The response time is impressive as well.

My friends have owned Sony tv's in the past, and I have to say they're pretty beastly. This one just looks like a natural top of the line progression, and the cost is actually extremely competitive for Sony. I'm going to try to see this one at my local fry's.

 

[Ferr986]

Are manufacturers still making mate-screen LCD/LEDs? They're really hard to find now.

 

[Dynamic3]

Ooooh, will look into that. Thanks for the info.

Edit: That TV is damn sexy. I'm pretty sure you just sold me on my next display. Any other recommendations for passive 3d tv and minimal display lag?

The W900 has ~19ms (and the exact same physical appearance aside from the stand being chrome), though it has active 3D. It's key feature is "triluminous" LEDs which actually light up as either red, green or blue as opposed to the traditional white; allegedly allowing for a wider color range. Reviews have indicated that there is very little hardware capable of pushing such a color band, though the color display even with traditional content is class-leading. The W900 drops the "full-array" from it's HX950 predecessor in favor of edge lighting with zone dimming. The W802 has edge lighting with full-frame dimming.

I ended up getting the 55" W802 myself, as I couldn't justify spending the extra $700 ($2,300 compared to $1,600) for the W900.

The real question is how do I sell my old LN-T4071F Samsung?

Edit: Both the W802 and W900 have full 4:4:4 reproduction, which is nice if you're going to be hooking up a PC (you may need to run audio separately than HDMI, though I've yet to verify).

 

[AstroNut325]

The W900 has ~19ms (and the exact same physical appearance aside from the stand being chrome), though it has active 3D. It's key feature is "triluminous" LEDs which actually light up as either red, green or blue as opposed to the traditional white; allegedly allowing for a wider color range. Reviews have indicated that there is very little hardware capable of pushing such a color band, though the color display even with traditional content is class-leading. The W900 drops the "full-array" from it's HX950 predecessor in favor of edge lighting with zone dimming. The W802 has edge lighting with full-frame dimming.

I ended up getting the 55" W802 myself, as I couldn't justify spending the extra $700 ($2,300 compared to $1,600) for the W900.

The real question is how do I sell my old LN-T4071F Samsung?

If I had to do it all over again... I would have picked the Sony over my Panasonic GT30. Never buying another plasma ever again.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

The W900 has ~19ms (and the exact same physical appearance aside from the stand being chrome), though it has active 3D. It's key feature is "triluminous" LEDs which actually light up as either red, green or blue as opposed to the traditional white; allegedly allowing for a wider color range. Reviews have indicated that there is very little hardware capable of pushing such a color band, though the color display even with traditional content is class-leading. The W900 drops the "full-array" from it's HX950 predecessor in favor of edge lighting with zone dimming. The W802 has edge lighting with full-frame dimming.

I ended up getting the 55" W802 myself, as I couldn't justify spending the extra $700 ($2,300 compared to $1,600) for the W900.

The real question is how do I sell my old LN-T4071F Samsung?

I do like the thought of Zone dimming, and the triluminous display, but I think your right, the cost and passive 3d make up those differences I feel. How would you say the blacks are on the W802?

 

[Lima]

How would you say the blacks are on the W802?

Pretty bad even for LCD standards. But it is a pretty fast gaming display.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

so plasma is obviously better, but are there any good panasonic plasmas that are smaller than 40"? my room is tiny and 32" is already big enough, could maybe stretch to 37".

 

[Dynamic3]

I do like the thought of Zone dimming, and the triluminous display, but I think your right, the cost and passive 3d make up those differences I feel. How would you say the blacks are on the W802?

It largely depends on the scene: the entire screen has to be dimmed or brightened so if you have a scene with 51% of the screen needing lighting and the whole screen gets brightened, it's noticeable. The W900 is better, though the zones are horizontal bars (such as the letterboxes found within a movie).

Check out this review. It has some quantitative data on the set's black levels and compares them to the best plasmas and LED-LCDs.

 

[Cutwolf]

Bought the W900A. 55".

Arrived with the screen cracked.

Argh.

RMA'ing is such an annoying process.

I did business with a company once that sent me a broken computer monitor. When I told them, they sent me the new computer monitor and told me to send the broken one back once the new one arrived. More companies should be like that. I even asked them about theft and scams, and they said people are generally so appreciative of the process that it has gone pretty smoothly.

 

[Wray]

Bought the W900A. 55".

Arrived with the screen cracked.

Argh.

RMA'ing is such an annoying process.

I did business with a company once that sent me a broken computer monitor. When I told them, they sent me the new computer monitor and told me to send the broken one back once the new one arrived. More companies should be like that. I even asked them about theft and scams, and they said people are generally so appreciative of the process that it has gone pretty smoothly.

Same thing happened to me with my Intel Motherboard. They sent the new one first, then once I got it, I sent back the old one in the same box.

 

[theytookourjobz]

Saw the 4k demo TV at Best Buy today. Oh my fucking god. Might sell an organ to finance one.

 

[Espada]

Saw the 4k demo TV at Best Buy today. Oh my fucking god. Might sell an organ to finance one.

Hold onto your body parts, 4K content won't be plentiful enough (or the TV sets cheap enough) to justify the purchase. It's glorious, though.

 

[dallow_bg]

The 65" S64 is apparently on sale for $1288 (w/ free shipping) at Sam's Club

From what I've read the S64 is basically the ST60 with the input lag fixed.

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/65-600...hdmi-wifi/prod9300314.ip?searchTerm=TC-65PS64

I am very tempted...

No. It's an S60 with the screen filter from the ST/VT/ZT models so it helps with glare more.

PQ is still below the ST60 as far as black level, and color.
And no 3D.

Lag is better though.

 

[Haint]

Hold onto your body parts, 4K content won't be plentiful enough (or the TV sets cheap enough) to justify the purchase. It's glorious, though.

Content's not the problem, the problem's the 30Hz limit on the old HDMI spec. If it wasn't for that you'd have plenty of content from a PC. As it is, it's absolutely worthless. I feel bad for people who actually buy these things for whom 5k-7k is a lot of money.

 

[Dynamic3]

Content's not the problem, the problem's the 30Hz limit on the old HDMI spec. If it wasn't for that you'd have plenty of content from a PC. As it is, it's absolutely worthless. I feel bad for people who actually buy these things for whom 5k-7k is a lot of money.

According to Anandtech's article, gaming at 4K melts even quad-SLI Titans.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Kind of off topic, but does anyone know the input lag on the Sony Playstation 3D Display? Tha'ts the one I'm currently using, and I could definitely use an upgrade lol.

 

[Fabrik]

Ok I'm using this thread to ask this question. I've got a LG 32cm hooked to a Wii U and a PS3 through HDMI both in 1080p and I found the IQ much better on Wii U than PS3.
I'm comparing Nintendoland and Trine 2 compared to Uncharted 2 and I notice more aliasing or "muddyness" in Uncharted 2. Note that I just got a PS3. For instance, it doesn't look as good as in this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377436

Is it normal?

 

[MikeE21286]

No. It's an S60 with the screen filter from the ST/VT/ZT models so it helps with glare more.

PQ is still below the ST60 as far as black level, and color.
And no 3D.

Lag is better though.

Oh ok thanks.

 

[SgtCobra]

Hello fellow GAFfers, I'm going to use this thread for a question I'm having for some time now.
After some years I'm finally going to sell my "old" Sony KDL-32EX500 which did a horrible job as a "gaming TV"
I'm pretty uninformed when it comes to TVs so I'm asking you guys which TV I should pick up?
I'm gonna use it for gaming most of the time and I want something with a great contrast ratio (which is important for me and it's something my last TV SUCKED with), colors, image quality and minumal input lag.
The budget is a bit lower than 1000 euros, a bit higher is also permitted yolo amirite?..
LCD, Plasma, it doesn't matter.

I'm really in a hurry now and couldn't read the whole topic, but will do so later today, my apologies if I'm doing/saying stupid stuff, like I said I'm not in the know about this subject.
Thanks in advance, it's really bugging me and I want to prepare myself for the next gen..

 

[Chumpion]

I'm gaming on a budget Samsung plasma (PS60E535) that I picked up for a little under 1 kiloeuro. 33 ms lag and a quite good image. Looks like this year's budget models (the F series), however, all have this useless smart TV bullshit that they include to jack up prices.

As far as I know, projectors are still king in PQ. But then you need a darkened room and that's a little antisocial.

 

[FrankNitty]

4K is just not worth it right now. When your dropping that kind of money unless you seriously wont miss it or won't have the need to get the upgrade because honestly anything they release after will be an upgrade then go ahead. Otherwise never ever buy first gen tech like that.

Right now it's a waste and the sub par performance. Especially when you consider how close you have to be to notice 4K the smaller size is a joke. 65 at 4K is a joke Needs to be 75 inches plus if you sit a reasonable distance away.

My ZT will keep me happy for a good 2 years until I feel the need to upgrade. Even then if they are still trying to push edge lit 4K I think I would still sit that out lol.

 

[demosthenes]

4K is just not worth it right now. When your dropping that kind of money unless you seriously wont miss it or won't have the need to get the upgrade because honestly anything they release after will be an upgrade then go ahead. Otherwise never ever buy first gen tech like that.

Right now it's a waste and the sub par performance. Especially when you consider how close you have to be to notice 4K the smaller size is a joke. 65 at 4K is a joke Needs to be 75 inches plus if you sit a reasonable distance away.

My ZT will keep me happy for a good 2 years until I feel the need to upgrade. Even then if they are still trying to push edge lit 4K I think I would still sit that out lol.

I was talking to a guy @ a Magnolia section of Best Buy and he said in the past 6 months they've sold 10 4k tvs alone. My mouth hit the floor.

I have a 50v10 and I'm thinking about upgrading to a 60v60 when the price is right.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

I'm gaming on a budget Samsung plasma (PS60E535) that I picked up for a little under 1 kiloeuro. 33 ms lag and a quite good image. Looks like this year's budget models (the F series), however, all have this useless smart TV bullshit that they include to jack up prices.

As far as I know, projectors are still king in PQ. But then you need a darkened room and that's a little antisocial.

No projectors are the king of "wow" factor, not PQ. PQ can be excellent in a bat cave with a reference screen, or in a normal-ish room with a specialty screen, but will not be as good as any decent, calibrated flat-panel display.

With all that said, size matters. That's what PJ's are all about.

 

[SymbolicGamer]

Don't get plasma for gaming.

Input lag is slightly better, but you still gotta deal with burn-in. Less so with current models, but it's still something to watch out for.

I play on a 42'' Vizio LCD 3DTV and it's really nice. 120hz refresh 5ms response.

Unless you're super hardcore into fighting and rhythm games, you aren't going to notice.

 

[kakashi08]

What's the best TV under $2,500 that's 60or65inch and is best for "GAMING".
Idc if its lcd/led/plasma. I want something with less lag and best for gaming and casually movies.

How is this?
CNET puts this TV number 1 in lag input for gamers: Sony W802A

Or do you recommend a Panasonic plasma. I'm so confused with the models of those, can't tell the difference between them. I also read here that the 2012 Panasonic GT50/VT50 are the best for gaming, better than the 2013?

EDIT: I will never use 3D, so I don't care about 3D...90% gaming, the rest for movies.

 

[Gillian Seed]

Don't get plasma for gaming.

Input lag is slightly better, but you still gotta deal with burn-in. Less so with current models, but it's still something to watch out for.

I play on a 42'' Vizio LCD 3DTV and it's really nice. 120hz refresh 5ms response.

Unless you're super hardcore into fighting and rhythm games, you aren't going to notice.

Wrong in so many ways!

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Best advice is just read professional reviews, go check out a bunch of different types and models of TVs, and buy/order somewhere with a great return/exchange policy (Amazon was great for me) as there's no way to be sure until you have it in your viewing room and use it for a while.

Forums I've found useless for narrowing things down as people are too loyal to TV types (plasma vs. LCD especially) and certain brands.

For me, I've tried plasmas twice--a cheap Vizio back in 2007 or 2008, and a Panasonic 55" UT50 series this January. Both times I ended up returning the. The picture was amazing, but I was drove nuts by buzzing in bright scenes (had techs try to fix it both times) and temporary image retention that lasted for hours after long ESPN or gaming sessions.

Regarding the buzzing, I think that's just shit luck on my part as I hear it on bright scenes on every plasma I've been around, and I'm OCD about electronics buzzing so it drives me nucking futs. I think my ears are just very tuned into hearig that frequency of buzzing.

The IR was temporary so most could probably live with it. And it probably gets less common after more hours (both times I did 100 hours of break in slides, then had another 200-300 hours on them before returning).

The first time I ended up with a 50" Sony Wega LCD RPTV that served me well--still using it as it's at my girlfriends place this year. Just decided to upgrade to 1080p and 3D this winter. I now have a 55" Panasonic 3D LED set (ET5 series) and have been loving it since February. The black levels aren't as good as the Panny plasma I exchanged, and there's a little motion blur. Also the light bleed on edges in totally black screens (but I don't notice it hardly ever when actually watching movies or gaming--just on loading screens etc.). But otherwise the picture blows me away--with the caveat that I've never been, nor ever will be, a videophile. Also don't care about input lag as I don't play any rhythm games or fighters or online shooter MP etc. where it matters.


And again, that's just my personal experience, and no one should make much of it. Just go check out a bunch of types and brands and models of TVs for yourself. Buy from a place with a no cost exchange policy, and find the best TV for your tastes, usuages and viewing habits.