Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Haint
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Depends on your definition of affect. You will notice controls seem floaty and unresponsive unless you're accustomed to a current TV that's just as bad. My opinion is if you're familiar with the concept of input lag and care enough to ask that question, the ST60 is not for you.
How do you think it compares to a 6 - 7 year old LCD?
See You Next Wednesday
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Guys, I currently have a Panasonic PZ85U from 2009 I believe. Anything out there that would be a noticeable upgrade for less than $1,200?
Also, if anyone has upgraded from one of these to an ST60. How does the input lag compare? I don't really notice it on my current TV.
Oh yeah, and my current wall mount doesn't accept anything greater than 50", so that's the size I'm looking for.
Thanks
Also, if anyone has upgraded from one of these to an ST60. How does the input lag compare? I don't really notice it on my current TV.
Oh yeah, and my current wall mount doesn't accept anything greater than 50", so that's the size I'm looking for.
Thanks
I had a Samsung LNT4665F HDTV from 2007. Never played in game mode and didn't notice lag. Think that was worse than 70ms? Can't find much info online.
I've seen TCL for years and I know they are primarily a panel maker. I'm talking about overall quality.
That set is going to have a cheap build and finish, major clouding, and color temp issues. And the 240hz claim is dubious.
Drop 5" and you can get this for cheaper which has full motion resolution, near reference colors, and muuuuuch deeper blacks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ARAHBIW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
If you need LED, I can try looking around.
crashnburn
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I've see that the Panasonic 50S64 is $600 at Costco and benefits from the ST60 anti glare addition. However, I can probably get an S60 cheaper (<$600) via family employee discount. The tv would be in a light controlled room, mostly used at night with dim light. Would the S64s added anti glare feature in my case be worth say a $50-$100 difference over a discounted S60?
I'm going to stick with the ST60. The reason I am going for plasma is PQ. I'm sure the input lag is an issue for hardcore twitch games but I don't ever play those. If I got a S60 due to input lag alone I think I'd always feel I settled for less WRT PQ.
New day, new page, one more shot.
I just bought this receiver because my new TV needed an HDMI passthrough and the ability to set audio delay so I can keep my wonderful 5.1 surround experience.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JF85WE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I love it. Fantastic receiver. The only thing that could be better is if it used the Audyssey XT auto EQ instead of Yamaha's proprietary YPAO. But the receivers with Audyssey XT are a lot more expensive for the same features. The reason the v673 is such a good price right now is because it's last year's model. I didn't need a thing from this year's model so it was a no brainer for the $250 off retail.
I've been debating between Sony's STR-DN1040 and Denon's X2000 but they may be overkill for the "budgety" temporary speakers I may get (probably Energy Classic 5.1, but I may replace them with some NHT in the next year or so, so I kinda wanna have a receiver ready for that).
The X2000 is a great receiver. I couldn't get over the $250 jump over the Yamaha though. I don't care how good the Audyssey XT is, it wasn't worth a 40% price increase.
From the research I did, I would avoid Onkyo at all costs. Reliability is very poor. Yamaha and Denon consistently get high marks for reliability and quality.
Honestly, I just spent a ton of time on avsforums.com to help my decision making then it was down to price. Between the Denon and the Sony though I'd go Denon hands down.
Haint
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There are reasons to choose the ST over the S, but PQ is not one of them IMO. I mentioned this earlier, but I would caution against falling into the trappings of hierarchy/price in regards to Panasonic PDP's. The S60 and ST60 are incredibly close in PQ, so much so that I personally don't believe anyone could reliably pick them apart in a blind test.
It's also lighting. It will be in a room with oversized windows facing west. The ST60 is a lot brighter and has a glare filter. I suppose I could track down someone with a Costco membership and get a S64 which is the S60 with the anti-reflective panel but I want to order from Amazon.
MrPressStart
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I need help!!!
So I have the following:
WiiU - hdmi
pS4- hdmi
Xboxone - hdmi
PS3 - hdmi
PC - pc hook up.
Sony soundbar - due to the size of my room (9 1/2 feet by 12 feet) I think a surround sound system/ receiver would be overbearing.
So here is my issue. I am going to mount my tv on the wall and most of the tv's I am looking at only have 2 to 3 hdmi ports. What is my best option and mot stylish option to have everything hooked up. Can't decide between plasma or led. Worried about burn in for gaming... Any help???
So I have the following:
WiiU - hdmi
pS4- hdmi
Xboxone - hdmi
PS3 - hdmi
PC - pc hook up.
Sony soundbar - due to the size of my room (9 1/2 feet by 12 feet) I think a surround sound system/ receiver would be overbearing.
So here is my issue. I am going to mount my tv on the wall and most of the tv's I am looking at only have 2 to 3 hdmi ports. What is my best option and mot stylish option to have everything hooked up. Can't decide between plasma or led. Worried about burn in for gaming... Any help???
If you are worried about burn-in, and you're not a staunch videophile, a high-end LCD screen like the much talked about Sony W900a will serve you well. As you may have seen earlier in this thread, I am about to replace my current TV set with a new one. I have a 50" Panasonic plasma set that I absolutely enjoyed. It never presented burn-in over 4 years of intense gaming and movie watching. I play a lot of Gran Turismo and you're expect the tachometers and other UI elements to be burned on the screen, but it never happened.
With that said, I want to use my new TV for PC gaming on the living room using the upcoming Steambox/Steam controllers, and plasma sets are not ideal for that scenario. I don't want to have to even think of worrying if binge-playing Civilization V will cause problems with my display. Decide what you're going to use the TV for, and base your decision on that. There is a baseline in picture quality you want to achieve, but above that it becomes highly subjective and will find people defending both technologies.
For the HDMI issue, why don't you start with a good receiver and a 2.1 setup? It will solve your HDMI switching problem, and once you get more living space, you can add speakers up to whatever the receiver supports – 5.1, 7.1, etc. You could probably get such setup for the price of a good sound bar.
With that said, I want to use my new TV for PC gaming on the living room using the upcoming Steambox/Steam controllers, and plasma sets are not ideal for that scenario. I don't want to have to even think of worrying if binge-playing Civilization V will cause problems with my display. Decide what you're going to use the TV for, and base your decision on that. There is a baseline in picture quality you want to achieve, but above that it becomes highly subjective and will find people defending both technologies.
For the HDMI issue, why don't you start with a good receiver and a 2.1 setup? It will solve your HDMI switching problem, and once you get more living space, you can add speakers up to whatever the receiver supports – 5.1, 7.1, etc. You could probably get such setup for the price of a good sound bar.
For hookups, you can probably just get an HDMI switcher and just run 1 cable to the TV.
MrPressStart
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Have heard some bad things about the hdmi switchers. Plus the ones I have seen are ugly. Lol
Arrogant Bastard
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I have a really bright room with the sun shinning in, will this be an issue for the Sony W900A? Heading to Best Buy Friday. Additionally, I have not seen one in person with the stand attached. As I will not be mounting this on my wall how secure is the stand? It isn't wobbly or anything is it?
Splash Wave
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Before I bite the bullet, is there any retailer that's offering a better deal than $700 for the S60? There was an S64 at a nearby Costco (I was waiting on a zero-interest CC to arrive before buying it), and they sold it to someone today--the day my credit card finally arrived. Fucking hell.
ADANIEL1960
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Could you not get a cheap receiver and run sum of the HDMIA connections throught the receiver. May have less distortion running through a better quality component
MrPressStart
Member
Yeah a poster mentioned that, just running everything thru a 2.1 setup reciever. May be the way I will go. Anybody know a good 2.1 reciever setup?
swaggerbot3000
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GAFers any thoughts on this tv? http://www.sears.com/samsung-51inch...5775373000P?prdNo=32&blockNo=32&blockType=G32
my budget is under $700 ( i know you get what you pay for)
but right now anything is better than my 720p dinosaur
my budget is under $700 ( i know you get what you pay for)
but right now anything is better than my 720p dinosaur
primasaurus
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Plasma for gaming
What are you upgrading from? Also, when the time comes tell me everything. I should be getting mine in time for PS4.
A 55" Sony A3000 which was a quality set at the time. Still looks great too.
The VT60 is 65". I'm sure it'll look ridiculously big the first couple weeks.
PS4 is also what spurred me to get it.
Awesome. Would love to hear your next few days of progress.
On another note, regardless of which receiver I get I'm torn on speakers.
I could go cheap for now and get Energy Take Classic 5.1s, go a little further and maybe get something in the 500-1000 range (Harman Kardon HKTS 20BQ or NHT Super Surround 5.1 maybe?), or I could go apeshit and go for the NHT Absolute 5.1, with the tower L and R. If I somehow decide to really splurge and do that I may have to get LR and sub for now, and add the C and surrounds later on, which does kinda hurt, downgrading to a 2.1 system right when PS4 hits and I'll be urged to watch and play more hifi media, but the end result is likely gonna be insane, and last as long as the materials can hold together.
Any thoughts on parts, pieces or the whole would be welcome. I know if I go lower end speaker wise the receiver will be overkill, but that's ok, as a lower end kit will be temporary-ish.
I just wonder if the aforementioned speakers would even be treated properly by the receivers in mind (Sony STR-DN1040 or Denon X2000).
Ugh, decisions decisions.
Arrogant Bastard
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I just do not understand Sony sometimes.
The 55 inch 900A is 240hz, Motionflow 960, Deep-Black Panel
The new 65inch 850A is 120hz, Motionflow 480, no Deep-Black Panel
Why cant they just make this easy.
iamaustrian
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I use "Ligawo" hdmi switches since years on different TVs and never had any problem with them. they run automaticly too.
oh and they don't look "ugly". it's just a tiny black creditcard-sized box anyway.
There is some discussion over AVS about whether the display is indeed a Deep-Panel Black or not. Seems like Sony omitted it from the specs in some places, but stated it in others. Some early reviews point to quality results.
I'm considering heading to a Sony store this weekend to see them in person. Maybe bring my laptop with an HDMI cable and cajole the sales people in letting me play some specific test videos.
Yep. Until I got my new TV and receiver I used a monoprice HDMI switch for about 2 years. I had the manual one that I used with my harmony remote since my TivoHD is always on and would have prevented an auto switch from working properly. My ONLY complaint with it was once in awhile it would lose handshake with the TV and I'd have to power cycle the switch. But my TV was HDMI version 1 or something so it's not that surprising.
My receiver as my HDMI hub has been nothing but successful however. It was 6 HDMI inputs so I will never want for inputs. Fact is, TVs just don't have enough. Most middle range models have 3-4, some as low as 2 (seriously? 2 is ridiculous). Three just isn't going to cut it. I could make do with 4 but the option to 6 is really nice.
If you already have the soundbar and don't think you have room for a receiver and speakers then an HDMI switch is the way to go. I wouldn't even think twice. They are so small you could tuck it away somewhere easily.
undercoverb0ss
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Got mine this week too
Been breaking it in with slides before I do any gaming on it.Arrogant Bastard
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Yah, I saw the same discussion. I'm having a hard time believing that the 65" W850A is the same panel as the W900A. I think Sony realized the mistake that they made with the 900A, It is basically a 55" 4K XBR set minus the 4K. Releasing the 65" W850A as a 900A with the same panel would cause further difficulties in selling the 4K XBR sets. So they made the 65" W850A closer to the 55" W802A. I suppose time will tell, but Sony really could get better at marketing the differences.
Got mine this week too
So you want to calibrate your TV before you do any gaming?
If not just stop running slides because it won't help you with IR/Burn-In.
littlepooch21
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What's everyone's opinion of LG LA7400?
I haven't had a chance to game on mine yet. Probably won't until Monday at the earliest.
I will say though, I was streaming MLP via Netflix/Chromecast (my daughter loves it, honestly), and I guess the motionflow or something was enabled, because it was playing back so smoothly it was "creepy". I think it automatically adjusts based on content too if I'm not mistaken? Anyway, colors were popping though, great picture.
MikeE21286
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The VT60 for $1800 keeps crossing my mind off and on again.
My gf would kill me lol
My gf would kill me lol
yeah i think it goes on Automatic at default, i'm waiting for the weekend to play a bit through the options
As for games i only tried GTAV and holy shit, it seems like a completely different game from what i was used before lol
undercoverb0ss
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Having it calibrated at 300hrs.
Also I would game on it if a new release was out that I haven't played.
Plan on playing BF4 and Batman Origins when they come out.
If he's planning on calibrating the TV at all, the slides first are the best way to go. It ensures the phosphorous ages the right way before calibration. It's not for IR/Burn-in though many many people have said that IR is greatly improved after running the slides.
undercoverb0ss
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Yea I ran the slides on my ST60 (my first plasma) and figured I'd give the VT the same treatment. I still watch full screen content when I'm not running the slides, I'm not quite that anal about it.