Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

French gaffer this is the TV you need :

http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/hifi...rand_ecran_led/philips_46pfl9707s_led_3d.html

I bought it for 2300€ in May while it was nearly impossible to find !
And now Darty.fr has it in stock with an excellent price of 1200€ !

see the reviews :

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-46pfl9707s-p15344/test.html

http://www.avforums.com/review/philips-46pfl9707-led-lcd-3d-tv-review.440

I know it's still pricey for a 46", but it has ambilight, Moth eye filter, and it is a Full LED TV.
 
KAL2006 said:
Quick update on the KDL42W654. I am well happy with this TV. Apart from not having PC input (need to buy DVI to HDMI). And headphone jack not being accessible when the TV is being wall mounted, everything else is great. Picture quality is great, good extra features like all the apps and streaming tablet/smartphone feature. However the thing that stood out for me was input lag, it is great, played Street Fighter and this game has never felt this responsive.

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Another annoying this is not getting 4OD and iTV player apps

Edit2 another problem with it is no access to USB input if you are wall mounting.
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can you mount it with 3rd party mount? Thats what I am planning to do with whatever KDL i get in the end.
 
spwolf said:
can you mount it with 3rd party mount? Thats what I am planning to do with whatever KDL i get in the end.
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It comes with a wall mount I don't think it supports standard VESA wall mounts

Also just played Street Fighter HDR on this, the 1080p graphics are crisp not one pit of blur and no input lag whatsoever, this games shines the most on his TV as it's one of the few games with 1080p and a fighter is a good test for input lag.

Also WipEout HD looks crazy good, blew me away. Damn I need more 1080p goodness, didn't think resolution is a big deal until I see native 1080p games in action.
 
Loving the KDL42W654

Anyone have a link to best possible picture setting and the moment I'm just using default settings and left it in game mode with every left in default. I would like to set it to its optimal level of quality, I'm sure there must be someone out there that has done testsand come out with a the best possible setting wjwith a PS3.
 
Zing said:
The last few pages discuss pretty much every viable TV currently available. If you wan the best LED LCD, the Sony 47w802a is it. If you want a plasma, then you probably just need to scroll up and read whatever the plasma guys are saying.
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Aside from the screen size of 47 inches to 55 inches.... is there any other difference to justify a $900 dollar price difference between the Sony 47w802a and the Sony w900A?
 
Pulled the trigger on a Panasonic VT60 last night. Free sound bar system ships with VT60s if you buy from Amazon. She arrives next Friday :)
 
MrPressStart said:
Aside from the screen size of 47 inches to 55 inches.... is there any other difference to justify a $900 dollar price difference between the Sony 47w802a and the Sony w900A?
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W800A image quality is nothing to write home about, color gamut is not as good and the blacks are not very good whereas W900A is a refference LCD display in all it's right.

Go for either a W600A series or a W900A one; skip W800A.
 
Guys. Poor GAF here..

If I could have the BenQ 27" LED at 10 more inches, I'd be happy.

All I want is a display that is going to hinder my gaming as little as possible, while still offering 1080p, and an acceptable,good looking display at around the 40" mark.

Right now I'm considering the Vizio E390-A1 because it's in my price range and doesn't have a bunch of crap I don't need in a television. Display Lag Database puts it at 35ms, which in comparison to the other sets, seems okay. Can anyone here confirm that 35ms is no biggie?

Just need a display for my game systems... and The Christmas WiiU is going to need a little HD love. If lag is going to be an issue, you couldn't pay me to take such a display.


Also, I'm sort of set on a Vizio.. After reading a ton of reviews, the big manufacturers like Samsung, Sony, etc, seem to have a lot of defective units.. That scares me man.. I don't want to drop money on something and get stuck in customer relations hell.


So what do you guys think? Maybe this is picky, but I'm going for a 40 inch set in the 400 dollar price range, no more than that. I don't think I need a set that big, and I certainly don't need to blow the money.




edit: What's the deal on "recertified"? Because I would probably bite on this if I knew there was still a warranty, and it'll basically be guaranteed to be in working order.
http://store.vizio.com/outlet/e420ia1b.html
 
Not looking for a TV, but advice on a TV bracket.
I bought a Cantilever TV stand that had a TV bracket attached which could hold a 32"-60" TV. My TV is 32", so it fits on the stand fine, but one of the 'arms' of the bracket is covering the component and scart inputs by like 1 or 2 inches. I was just wondering if the 'arms' off a 24"-32" bracket would be shorter/work, or if I could just saw off the part that is covering the inputs.
 
MrPressStart said:
Aside from the screen size of 47 inches to 55 inches.... is there any other difference to justify a $900 dollar price difference between the Sony 47w802a and the Sony w900A?
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Afaik there's a big difference between W8xx and W9xx Bravia series. W8xx is IPS panel and W9xx is VA panel.

With IPS panel you get wider viewing angles and passive 3D. But image quality isn't as good when you watch it directly compared to VA panel.

With VA you get much better black, contrast and color but viewing angles suffer, also most of the time active 3D.

All Sony 2013 models are perfect for gaming, because of the low input lag.
 
Polioliolio said:
Guys. Poor GAF here..
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Best thing for poor gaffers is Panasonic X60 and/or Sony R400. Yeah the X60 is not 1080p, but it delivers and this is not looking like a 1080p generation after all.

That Vizio might not be a very bad proposition though. As for 35 ms being too much... not so; perfectly acceptable.
antti-la said:
Afaik there's a big difference between W8xx and W9xx Bravia series. W8xx is IPS panel and W9xx is VA panel.
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Out of sheer curiosity and laziness is a W600A a VA panel? because it clearly behaves like one (good blacks for a LCD, poor viewing angle), unlike W800A's.
 
KAL2006 said:
It comes with a wall mount I don't think it supports standard VESA wall mounts

Also just played Street Fighter HDR on this, the 1080p graphics are crisp not one pit of blur and no input lag whatsoever, this games shines the most on his TV as it's one of the few games with 1080p and a fighter is a good test for input lag.

Also WipEout HD looks crazy good, blew me away. Damn I need more 1080p goodness, didn't think resolution is a big deal until I see native 1080p games in action.
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My mate has one being delivered tomorrow and dammit, i'm really tempted to upgrade my 8 year old 37" LG this weekend if i can get one from Richer Sounds or Argos in town.
I really wanted to hold off until my current screen broke but someone has offered me some money for it and PS4 at launch is making me reconsider. I've held off for a month since i found the tv but you lot are making me impatient :)

Did you go for black bezel or silver? Does it make a difference to image perception?
I should know that stuff but my Psychology degree was 16 years ago lol!

lostinblue said:
Out of sheer curiosity and laziness is a W600A a VA panel? because it clearly behaves like one (good blacks for a LCD, poor viewing angle), unlike W800A's.
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According to here, yes it's a VA screen. HDTV Test - KDL42-W653
 
Applesauce said:
Pulled the trigger on a Panasonic VT60 last night. Free sound bar system ships with VT60s if you buy from Amazon. She arrives next Friday :)
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I have no need for one but I asked Amazon if they can retroactively send me the sound bar and they did. Ordered it, once it ships they'll refund me. Awesome surprise. Thanks to you. :D
 
Now that I have spent a few days with my new Sony 50EX645, I heartily recommend it. If you can find it locally, it should be at Black Friday clearance pricing. If you just want to play some damn games and don't care about 3D, this feels and works just like an w802a, but $400-500 less expensive. This TV was still on sales floors in July, so a little digging should turn one up. The 640 is identical, but with a wifi USB dongle instead of native wifi internally, so search for that if you can't find the 645.

MrPressStart said:
Aside from the screen size of 47 inches to 55 inches.... is there any other difference to justify a $900 dollar price difference between the Sony 47w802a and the Sony w900A?
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Yes, I thought that price difference was insane also. The 802 is $1200 here, and the 900 is $2200. That is major cheddar, but look at the difference between the 802 and the R450 et al. You can get an R series for half the price of the 802. I'd personally never buy or recommend the R series, as it feels as thought you are just throwing your money away and will want to upgrade in a year. I'm sure some people feel that way about the 802.

For anything but watching a large collection of bluray movies, I'd save the money and stick with the 802. "Gamut" and slightly worse blacks mean little here. Even the "inferior" contrast and color of the 802 is light years ahead of the crap we all bought years ago. Gaming is fine, even when playing dark FPS with a lot of shadows or watching streamed/downloaded video.
 
Well, i've done it. I'm going down to Richer Sounds to pick up a 2013 Sony KDL42 W653 tomorrow morning. I can't wait. A friend is also having theirs delivered tomorrow so i think that influenced me to go for it.

November is going to be brutal on my savings. Still, what are they for other than spending some now and then? :)
 
SnakeXs said:
I have no need for one but I asked Amazon if they can retroactively send me the sound bar and they did. Ordered it, once it ships they'll refund me. Awesome surprise. Thanks to you. :D
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Their service is excellent. They have spoiled me when it comes to online shopping experiences.
 
killertofu said:
So are the Panasonic plasmas gonna go down in price when they stop making them...?
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Judging from what happened to the last Pioneer Kuros, I would say they will largely vanish and be spoken of in hushed voices and traded only rarely because most owners will not want to part with them.

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Anyways, because my goal was to buy and use a TV for things that I like to use it for, instead of quitting gaming just because I bought a plasma TV, I looked around for the most hardcore IR treatments I could find.

I found the pixel jogger.

WARNING: Do not view this if you have epilepsy, if you think you might have epilepsy, or you think one day you might develop epilepsy. This thing is seriously seizure-inducing.

It strobes the entire panel 30 times a second, making it the most extreme screen wiping tool for IR I was able to find.

I put the Max Headroom on my TV and went to take a nap. I was expecting to be awakened by the sound of my doorbell. 8 hours later and my doorbell didn't ring, because my PS4 hasn't arrived yet, so this thing ran for about 8 hours.

I put on a white screen and looked at it, and the IR is entirely gone! Huge success, I have successfully created and then erased image retention on my new plasma TV! It looks like I can actually own a plasma and not have to quit gaming!

Seriously, don't do this at home to your own TVs. I'm conducting scientific experiments here. I can now confirm that yes, image retention is still a real problem on Panasonic plasmas, especially new ones. But I can also now confirm that IR can also be treated, even on new plasmas, though you may have to resort to extreme measures to remove it. Note that CNET was never actually able to fix the burn-in on the Panasonic GT50 they accidentally destroyed. Also, it seems that gamers should consider the Samsung plasmas because they are a lot more resistant to IR, though I've owned and returned a Samsung myself because it literally buzzed loudly like a fluorescent light continuously when it was on and I could not handle watching the thing with that constant noise.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Well, for those of you who just got or will buy a new Panasonic plasma, do not repeat what I did.

After the first few hours of FFXIV, I got confident that I could just do what I wanted. So I ended up playing for almost the rest of the day. Out of curiosity I put on the slides I have been using for burn-in, and look at that, the UI elements from the game were clearly visible on the solid colored slides. Huge success, I have achieved image retention on my expensive new plasma TV!

After a few hours of running the Screen Wipe the shadows of my FFXIV UI are beginning to fade. I'll just leave the wiping thing running overnight and see if I can make it go away before I start burning Killzone's HUD into my new TV when I get my PS4.

I did it for science. Don't try this at home on your new TVs.

I do hope that this won't be a recurring thing every time I get a new game and play it a lot. I don't need overlapping shadows of game UIs on my TV all the time.
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Trojita said:
Unknown Soldier :(

Break in period with slides has to be a minimum of the first 100 hours.

From 100-300 hours you have to be worried about Image-Retention/Burn In the most.
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Running slides have nothing to do with the amount of IR you will or won't get, it's only done to age the phosphor evenly to be able to do a correct calibration.
 
kanuuna said:
People will tell you all displays are, but PDPs are commonly thought to be the most prone to image retention and burn-in. OLED displays may share the issue, though I couldn't comment on that.
But yeah, I'd say LCD TVs are the 'safest' in that regard. I have never seen or heard of a modern LCD display showing signs of burn-in in consumer use. Not that I've cared to look and search.
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Thanks....but damn. I was really hoping I could move on from LCD's.....looks like that's what I'm stuck with buying until burn in and IR are no longer issues.
 
I am looking for a 60" (I'm like 12 or so feet away, I should want 60", right?) display for games.

I want it to have 3D, 1080p, not bad input lag.

I am not yet sure if active or passive 3d is best for me.
I want great image quality without any issues like lag that is bad for games.
I want to spend less than $2k out of the door. Preferably under $1500, but flexible.
I am definitely leaning towards plasma. I have heard plasma is better for games.


Any thoughts are appreciated.
 
billmcdougal said:
I am looking for a 60" (I'm like 12 or so feet away, I should want 60", right?) display for games.

I want it to have 3D, 1080p, not bad input lag.

I am not yet sure if active or passive 3d is best for me.
I want great image quality without any issues like lag that is bad for games.
I want to spend less than $2k out of the door. Preferably under $1500, but flexible.
I am definitely leaning towards plasma. I have heard plasma is better for games.


Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Sony w900a. It is 2K and one of the best LED TVs out there. 55 inches though.
 
Thinking about picking up the ST60 despite the input lag issues because in Europe there's no S60 series :( Does anyone have any other Panasonic or other suggestions for good plasma screens? Also if I were to get the ST60 I'm thinking about 42" vs 50". Is it not really worth paying premium price for a good screen if you don't go all out with the size or should I still get plenty of value out of the relatively small 42". I'm leaning towards 50" right now for some reason but if it's not justified I wouldn't mind saving some bucks on getting a smaller version.
 
KlotePino said:
Thinking about picking up the ST60 despite the input lag issues because in Europe there's no S60 series :( Does anyone have any other Panasonic or other suggestions for good plasma screens? Also if I were to get the ST60 I'm thinking about 42" vs 50". Is it not really worth paying premium price for a good screen if you don't go all out with the size or should I still get plenty of value out of the relatively small 42". I'm leaning towards 50" right now for some reason but if it's not justified I wouldn't mind saving some bucks on getting a smaller version.
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Yes, a 50" screen will make quite a difference. I would definitely go for that over the 42".
 
KlotePino said:
Thinking about picking up the ST60 despite the input lag issues because in Europe there's no S60 series :( Does anyone have any other Panasonic or other suggestions for good plasma screens? Also if I were to get the ST60 I'm thinking about 42" vs 50". Is it not really worth paying premium price for a good screen if you don't go all out with the size or should I still get plenty of value out of the relatively small 42". I'm leaning towards 50" right now for some reason but if it's not justified I wouldn't mind saving some bucks on getting a smaller version.
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I'll answer the first part of your question, then. I'm not sure exactly what's available and not available in Europe, but most advice will tell you there's 2 main plasma providers: Panasonic and Samsung. Samsung series is either the 4500, 5300, 5500 or 8500 depending on price and resolution.

This site somebody posted earlier does a decent enough job, i guess, of comparing different types of TVs. But like I said, i'm not sure of what exactly is sold in your area. Apologies.

http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/plasma/panasonic/st60/compare
 
Thanks for the answers guys. This raises two other questions for me though. This page mentioned the Pioneer Kuro and I remember those screens looking amazing so I looked on a local craigslist variant in my country and there's a couple of pretty affordable PDP-LX5090's. Nearly identically priced to a new ST60 here. Would this be worth looking into? Providing I check carefully for burn-in etc. Is there anything else I should be looking for when buying secondhand? Also how do the Samsung plasma's hold up? You mentioned them but are they comparable to Panasonic's? Panasonic's ST60 reputation seems to be second to none but I'd be willing to consider a Sammy if they're good. Sorry for being so exhaustive with my answers but I can't make a purchase like this lightly.
 
I've just pulled the trigger on a 46" Sony W905a. Not cheap, however after seeing it in the flesh I think it's a worthwhile investment.

Delivery is scheduled conveniently for November 29th.... Same day as my ps4 should be delivered.

I may explode with glee on this day.
 
KlotePino said:
Thanks for the answers guys. This raises two other questions for me though. This page mentioned the Pioneer Kuro and I remember those screens looking amazing so I looked on a local craigslist variant in my country and there's a couple of pretty affordable PDP-LX5090's. Nearly identically priced to a new ST60 here. Would this be worth looking into? Providing I check carefully for burn-in etc. Is there anything else I should be looking for when buying secondhand? Also how do the Samsung plasma's hold up? You mentioned them but are they comparable to Panasonic's? Panasonic's ST60 reputation seems to be second to none but I'd be willing to consider a Sammy if they're good. Sorry for being so exhaustive with my answers but I can't make a purchase like this lightly.
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In Europe there is also the GT60, which is one step above the ST60.
 
Gotta say, the VT65 is awesome with the media functionality. Got my home page set up with BBCi Player, CrunchyRoll etc, plus the fact that it has USB 3.0 ports on the side, that accept pretty much all media types, including MKV, makes watching things so much easier. Plus the up-scaling seems really well done.
 
I'm helping my friend try to pick out a new TV. Any suggestions? His max budget is around $1600, either a 55" or 60". He's mostly going to use for gaming and just regular TV watching.
 
I'm hoping the W900A goes on sale during Black Friday. I really want to pick one up. Though if I order it now, Amazon will honor a Black Friday drop correct?
 
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