BloodMoney
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If I was currently in the market for a TV I'd jump all over the Panny VT60. My 55" GT30 from 3 years ago is a marvelous television. Grab those plasma's while you still can!
Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
- Thread starter spannicus
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ODEAD confirmed. Seems the tech was just a nonstarter for big screen sizes.
demosthenes
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5,000 TVs with TONS of content out there vs 2 million TVs with next to no content out there.
Crazy.
Crazy.
Unknown Soldier
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There was never much hope. Just a fool's hope.
Get your plasmas while you still can.
Get your plasmas while you still can.
We also get those funky touch pens (which I see absolutely no use for).
Unknown Soldier
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Mitsubishi produced one. No one bought it.
In general rear projection TV is dead in the consumer space because no one wants such a huge monster in their living rooms anymore. This is why DLP died in the market.
lostinblue
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For the distance you mentioned, seems like it.
The suggestion is not using Warm without calibration, but calibrating for it.
Personally I tend to use "normal", but the perfect calibration values for "normal" and "warm" vary quite a bit. I don't think toggling between those settings is ever gonna pull good results; you have to change everything accordingly... And that's the hard part.
Seems like a calibration meant for day usage. I reckon most night calibrations fall within the contrast 60 value.
But I haven't calibrated mine, so I'm saying this by memory.
Should be, modern HDMI devices have a thing called handshake, which is basically the device telling your TV what it is to ensue it gets properly recognized.
Other settings are mostly only there to force misdetections and the like. For as long as it works I'd leave it untouched.
One of the reasons given for the failure of the partnership was the failure to increase the lifespan of the panels.
People seem to be forgetting that while looking forward to OLED offerings and paying big bucks for them... The current OLED tech usually lasts 15.000 operation hours. And that's far from solved even if every manufacturer on earth is trying not to talk about that; alas, it's certainly not solved precisely because they don't want to talk about it.
The other reason was inability to reduce costs significantly.
2014 is looking like a bad year for TV's; unless Samsung just delivers on the Plasma front. I'm not counting on it, hence bought a VT60 (I also kinda dislike Samsung, but I could put that aside in for a plasma).
No we don't. Unless some countries do, mine didn't bring one and the manual says it's not supposed to.
Only ST60's bring it.
As long as I can still buy OLED in a few years then all will be OK. I think once they actually hit the market they'll do well since they are gorgeous in person and will actually hold up well in stores. Price and longevity just need to improve considerably first.
ShipTheCheese
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Honestly, with this news about OLED and me not really caring about 4k tv's (just prettier lcd's, imo) I think in 5 years time I'll just invest in a really good projector. That seems like the proper way forward to me.
Azwethinkweiz
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Quick question for anyone with a VT60. I've had mine for about a month now, and the whole time I've noticed this faint bar that goes vertically down the right side of the screen. It's kind of hard to explain, but it's about half an inch thick and basically just makes that side look a little lighter than the rest of the screen. Does anyone else have this with their VT60? Searching for the issue, it seems like an issue with the filter and all VT60s have this issue, so maybe it's not as bad on some or not as noticeable to some people? Either way, it drives me crazy, but I'm kinda OCD when it comes to these things.
Gaylord Sweetwood
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Does anyone know if the HDMI ports on the Panasonic S60 are MHL compatible? I'm guessing they are not, but I wanted to make sure. Thanks.
This model isn't available in the US, is it?
Nope.
I'm so sick of mid tier models getting forgotten in the US. We want decent PQ at a decent price too.
The VT60 is getting nicely warmed up now, 170ish hours and I broke out Koyaanisqatsi yesterday and then Blade Runner and Samsara today.
The picture quality on the Samsara Blu Ray is out of this world, it looks 3D (it isn't) and if someone told me I was watching 4K footage I'd believe them. Emotionally it doesn't have the impact for me that Koyaanisqatsi does, but for out and our PQ I don't think there's anything in 1080p that can beat it.
The Panny was more than up to the task and it's just getting better!
The picture quality on the Samsara Blu Ray is out of this world, it looks 3D (it isn't) and if someone told me I was watching 4K footage I'd believe them. Emotionally it doesn't have the impact for me that Koyaanisqatsi does, but for out and our PQ I don't think there's anything in 1080p that can beat it.
The Panny was more than up to the task and it's just getting better!
Weird. Mine did. I have no idea what to do with it!
undercoverb0ss
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Just with break-in slides or actual content?
I'm sooo close on pulling the trigger on a P65VT60. But man, the price difference between the 55'' and 65'' is almost 800EUR here in Germany. And to think I was completely set on getting (just) the 50'' model to replace my 4 years old 50'' S50. But after seeing that 65'' VT60 in person ... damn.
S20 and it's actually just 3.5 years old.
I genuinely can't see this on my set. I've never run slides though, just full screen content until recently watching some letterbox movies.
Azwethinkweiz
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Actual content. I ran the break-in slides for 100 hours and then started watching content. That's when I noticed it. Then again, I didn't really look at the screen during the break-in period.
Stores are big and you were standing up
W65x is a great set, shame it isn't out in the US, but then they get such great pricing on the W900 I find it difficult to feel too much sympathy
undercoverb0ss
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Hmmm then I would look into trying to have it resolved. Sometimes with the slides I could convince myself I was seeing things but during actual content I couldn't.
Stores are big and you were standing up
W65x is a great set, shame it isn't out in the US, but then they get such great pricing on the W900 I find it difficult to feel too much sympathy
I guess. There's a 46" W9 model for $1450, but I didn't feel like spending that much money on an LCD.
So much I've been hearing about the excellent black levels of Sony's W series, but I'm not sure if I see any difference between this TV and my 4 year old cheap LG LED monitor in that regards. As far I can see black is still pretty much grey. Otherwise it looks really nice, colors are awesome and it really is super responsive in game mode(which looks fine anyway). Out of game mode feels good too, and looks about the same. I've only tested my PS3, I need to try out some blu-ray movies and the 24p playback thingy. LED Motion Mode is pretty interesting in that gets rid of the LCD motion smear, but the picture is just too dark to be usable. I'm more than used to that crap anyway by now. I'm only disappointed that the audio balance option only works for speaker mode and not when plugging in headphones. I don't hear too well out of my left ear so I was counting on this option. :/ Why even bother including this if it doesn't work when using headphones?
lostinblue
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Hide it from children.
Still I'm jelly, you have more toys than I do.
I haven't seen that on mine yet, but perhaps I simply didn't spend enough time with it yet.
IIRC they have the same panel but the ZT has a different filter and the front glass is bonded directly to the plasma screen rather than leaving an air gap as in every other plasma model. They are very similar, but the filter on the ZT gets you ultimate black levels.
Edit, my bad, it's not the black levels - it's ambient light glare the ZT filter nails. The ZT will be better in a room with lots of natural light to fight against.
Unknown Soldier
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SIZE DOES MATTER
undercoverb0ss
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You were completely correct until the last sentence. ZT and VT can be calibrated to the same black level, so if you have a dark room/HT setup the ZT is a waste. If you do a majority of your viewing with ambient light, the filter on the ZT may be beneficial.
Yeah, I edited, I wasn't sure and had to go look up the benefits of the ZT filter
doh!Mattlikewhoa
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You need to go to a smaller independent shop to get that pricing down a bit. I don't know where you live, but I was quoted closer to $4K.
Always go for the bigger size if you can swing it. Nothings worse then saying that you could have gone bigger, after the fact.
undercoverb0ss
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Yeah, I edited, I wasn't sure and had to go look up the benefits of the ZT filter
lol I only know because I obsessed over the ZT/VT debate and ultimately went with the VT.
undercoverb0ss
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Also have you had anyone confirm what you are seeing or "think" you are seeing?
I have imposed a ban on myself from reading the avsforum because it was making me too paranoid about issues others were having.
WonkyPanda
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After a few days with my VT60, I want to marry this thing. From movies to games, this things looks utterly incredible, and I haven't even calibrated it yet! (using THX mode)
HawksWinStanley
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^ Good to know.
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a VT60. It'll be in a fairly well lit room with a lot of windows but seeing as how all of the LCD/LEDs in the same price range fall way short in comparison I'm just going to buy some better curtains.
What is the likelihood of VT60s being readily available closer to spring/summer? I already waited too long on the S60 and now you can't find them. I'd rather not have the VT slip away from me too but I really won't need another tv til closer to summer.
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on a VT60. It'll be in a fairly well lit room with a lot of windows but seeing as how all of the LCD/LEDs in the same price range fall way short in comparison I'm just going to buy some better curtains.
What is the likelihood of VT60s being readily available closer to spring/summer? I already waited too long on the S60 and now you can't find them. I'd rather not have the VT slip away from me too but I really won't need another tv til closer to summer.
bequietdrive
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As in it'll only support certain file types? The phone steaming thing does sound pretty cool. Fingers crossed it can stream from my Macbook
Azwethinkweiz
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I haven't had anyone confirm, as it's just me and my girlfriend that live here and she can't even tell the difference between a DVD and a Blu-Ray. I've been noticing it for a while and it was driving me crazy so I did a search and saw the same thing mentioned on avsforum. Though now that I'm looking for it I can't find it. The set is getting replaced on Saturday anyway since the base was bent in the corner and Best Buy said they can't replace just the base so they're delivering me a new one. I'm hoping it doesn't also have the issue.
demosthenes
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Nil on readily available at spring/summer.
Unknown Soldier
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I believe Panasonic has already stopped manufacture of new PDPs and without panels you can't build TVs. So it's safe to say that plasma TV production has effectively ended at Panasonic, so when the last ones are gone, they are gone forever.
HawksWinStanley
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Great. I really didn't want to drop that kind of cash so soon after the holidays and we've got some other home improvement stuff going on right now. Meh, maybe I'll look around more.