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[MisterXDTV]

Now: PlayStation gamers begging for PC players

Actually, it's the other way around

Every PS5 Pro thread is infested with people that want to convince the world that PC gaming is better

And just like always, nobody cares...

LOL

 

[Guilty_AI]

Except games are made for consoles first....

They are not PORTED to PS5, they are MADE for PS5

The target is always the top selling hardware and that's not high-end PC

Thats not true though, tons of examples of games made on pc first and ported to consoles. System Shock remake, Baldurs Gate 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Cyberpunk 2077, Black Myth Wukong, Wreckfest...

 

[Doctor Hades]

It is all very well saying that the PS5 Pro may be the best place to play badly optimised PC games, which is true to a certain extent, but the issue with the PS5 Pro is that, like the PS5, it will still be stuck with the barebones implementation of VRR that means the range is 48-60 Hz unless the developer specifically patches it both a 120 Hz mode and LFC support.

It's a shame that Sony didn't take the opportunity to radically revamp VRR on the Pro to offer a more comprehensive system level variant like what the Xbox One and Series consoles have. VRR really should be a system level feature, which is also how it works on PC, not one that requires updates/patches for on a per-game basis. Backward compatible PS4 games for example do not support VRR at all, granted the extra performance usually means the game hits it target framerate on PS5 most of the time./

 

[Topher]

Then: Playstation gamers begging for Xbox ports

Now: PlayStation gamers begging for PC players

Then: Microsoft porting games to PS = PS gamers begging
Now: DF discussing Pro as alternative to PC ports = PS gamers begging

 

[Astray]

Problem with your logic is that you're making a lot of assumptions about what a "long-term experience" actually means.

That's a fair point.

My view of "long-term experience" is how easily upgradable the system will be in the future?

If I have to change my motherboard chipset + RAM + CPU to get a meaningful CPU upgrade then the initial recommendation was bad (which is what I'm seeing a LOT whenever the PS5 Pro is brought up). not to mention having to do an all-new Windows install and moving your data and programs over.

I agree with all of that, I just don’t think that the Pro offers any new paradigm in value that PC gamers need to justify against, as the first post that started this whole pc comparison implied. The Pro is a great machine but it’s not going to lead to any PC gamers questioning value. The digital PS5 was $400 and a non compromised budget PC at its launch was probably around $1200 or so. Today that PC price is roughly the same but the Pro is $700.

The Pro still offers better price to performance, but it is worse in that regard vs the digital PS5 was at launch, because at $400 it was an absolute steal.

PC Gamers never needed to justify themselves to begin with IMO. The pro existing never diminished the value proposition of the PC, and if anything it could provide pressure on companies to respond to it in various ways (improving DLSS to increase the gap with PSSR, fast-tracking the release of midrange PC parts to compete with the Pro's price point etc).

It kinda reminds me of how vegans carry themselves and constantly advertise their lifestyle.. If you are ok with your lifestyle then it's good, I will still be enjoying my steak for what it is over there thank you very much.

It totally is as PC vs Console have different use case scenarios. A lot of people i know that got gaming PCs often had other uses in mind for it besides gaming.

When you want a general use computer for other tasks, comparisons become |Gaming PC| vs |Console + non-gaming PC| and suddenly the price factor starts favoring a Gaming PC, especially if one does not care about the latest graphical tech.

I personally think PC gaming is a lifestyle of its own, it's also not for every gamer and should never be described as such.

There are certain things that have significantly less friction than console, but there are things that it might never ever be able to do.

Example: My wife and I are playing ReFantazio rn, she's on our PS5 and I'm playing on my PC, if something comes up and we have to go somewhere, she simply presses a button to take the PS5 into rest mode, while I have to debate between turning off the PC (and losing all my progress in the dungeon) or lugging it to the nearest save point and being late for the thing I have to go do.

Rest mode or Quick Resume etc are all things that I feel that PCs might never ever be able to do right tbh, because it requires that your entire system is under the purview of one singular party. Couch gaming on PC is honestly not a very great experience (I've tried it with a mini-ITX PC and the results were very mixed).

 

[64bitmodels]

He managed to finish Wukong playing on a fucking HDD and an RTX 3060. Still calls it one of his favorite games ever.

Video games are a beautiful thing

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It is all very well saying that the PS5 Pro may be the best place to play badly optimised PC games, which is true to a certain extent, but the issue with the PS5 Pro is that, like the PS5, it will still be stuck with the barebones implementation of VRR that means the range is 48-60 Hz unless the developer specifically patches it both a 120 Hz mode and LFC support.

It's a shame that Sony didn't take the opportunity to radically revamp VRR on the Pro to offer a more comprehensive system level variant like what the Xbox One and Series consoles have. VRR really should be a system level feature, which is also how it works on PC, not one that requires updates/patches for on a per-game basis. Backward compatible PS4 games for example do not support VRR at all, granted the extra performance usually means the game hits it target framerate on PS5 most of the time./

Think about the number of games that would benefit from this and the number of players who could utilize it.

Would it be nice? Sure, but there are other solutions individual developers can do themselves to accomplish this.

Just look at Insomniac with their dialed in 40 fps modes.

If a game is hitting between 40-47 fps, you're probably better off with a slight reduction in resolution with DRS to get it above 48 fps.

Everyone kind of pretends like Sony has unlimited engineering budget and time. Make a PS3 emulator, make 40hz VRR, make folders, make themes, fix bugs, make sure ps5 pro enhances PSVR2 games, make the ps portal run cloud games, release streaming on MacOS, android, and ios, release a wireless PSVR2, release more PS1 and PS2 games.

Sony is doing more than pretty much every company out there at the moment. I think sometimes we need to take a pause and recognize that while it might not be everything we want, they're pretty stretched thin.

 

[64bitmodels]

You guys cut corners because you know you HAVE to in order to get anywhere close to the ballpark and you're still 300 dollars over and you STILL have to build it yourself.

I struggle to comprehend anybody can live life buying a house, paying taxes, and working a job when they can't even build a simple-ass PC.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I struggle to comprehend anybody can live life buying a house, paying taxes, and working a job when they can't even build a simple-ass PC.

I've built PCs and I've worked on my own car for years. It doesn't mean that I actively want to do these things and find them good valuable uses of my time.

 

[64bitmodels]

I've built PCs and I've worked on my own car for years. It doesn't mean that I actively want to do these things and find them good valuable uses of my time.

That's fine by me. But acting like putting a computer together is this herculean task is so ridiculous when the average person has to go through much more straining and difficult things just to make enough money to get by...

Like you said, car work. That's infinitely more expensive and ridiculous than putting together a simple computer yet the average person whining about "building a PC" would probably go crazy over a built car or the opportunity to build one

 

[64bitmodels]

It's an impressive first result. Needs a little more work on temporal stability at times as we've seen with Ratchet, even though it's not something you would really actually notice while playing.

Especially in TLOU is looking insane.

What it does to foliage in particular.

my takeaway has always been that the next version of FSR is gonna be awesome if this is what they can achieve on AMD hardware on a console

 

[Guilty_AI]

Example: My wife and I are playing ReFantazio rn, she's on our PS5 and I'm playing on my PC, if something comes up and we have to go somewhere, she simply presses a button to take the PS5 into rest mode, while I have to debate between turning off the PC (and losing all my progress in the dungeon) or lugging it to the nearest save point and being late for the thing I have to go do.

Rest mode or Quick Resume etc are all things that I feel that PCs might never ever be able to do right tbh, because it requires that your entire system is under the purview of one singular party. Couch gaming on PC is honestly not a very great experience (I've tried it with a mini-ITX PC and the results were very mixed).

...can't you just pause, minimize the game and put the pc into rest mode? I did that before and works just fine.

My view of "long-term experience" is how easily upgradable the system will be in the future?

If I have to change my motherboard chipset + RAM + CPU to get a meaningful CPU upgrade then the initial recommendation was bad (which is what I'm seeing a LOT whenever the PS5 Pro is brought up). not to mention having to do an all-new Windows install and moving your data and programs over.

Most people won't even bother upgrading. Not everyone cares about having the latest tech, they want their game machines to play a few selected games they always come back to and the occasional thing they hear from their friends. Heck, the majority of gaming PCs are laptops.

 

[Gaiff]

Find me a boss fight that stays at a locked 60... it doesn't...

See how you are? And you call me disingenuous? NxGamer said the game stays mostly locked to 60 and here you are asking me to find one that is locked. It's those little accusations you make (implying I said the game stays locked at 60 during boss fights) that makes it insanely irritating to talk about anything with you, but sure, I will bring more evidence while continue to just say lolno without providing anything to back you up.



Here against the boss where you get the Red Tide transformation. Completely locked at 60.

That's NxGamer's video against the Wandering Wight where it drops once to 58fps for a split second.



Here, Alex from DF says that it's hitting 60 most of the time minus those big boss fights where boss full of fur like the wolf in Chapter 1 get close to the camera and drops your fps. And you see that when the wolf jumps on top of the character, the frame rate drops, but when it jumps back, it gets back up. That's also one boss. As far as I recall, it's the only boss that large with that much fur, so this is definitely an exception and not the rule.



This mode uses frame generation. All the PS5 needs is to stay at around 40 and frame gen will provide that +20fps to make it stay at 60 or above.

To suggest it gets reasonably close, which isn't true of boss fights which are the main point of the game, suggests you not only don't know what you're talking about, but also that you have an agenda.

Sure, NxGamer had an agenda against the Pro when benchmarking the game...Now if you could find me those boss battles where the frame rate drops so much that a boost mode would make it "transformative", then that'd be appreciated. Not talking about the game dipping to 55fps, I'm talking about it consistently dropping outside the VRR window to the point where it's unstable and the boost mode would bring it right back to that 60fps line.

Because NxGamer is also wrong about the game being locked to 60. In regular gameplay maybe, but when you get to the bosses, you're dropping frames.

Well, find footage proving him and DF wrong, because they both came to the same conclusion.

lol... keep telling yourself that. You were wrong about quality mode AND you're wrong about performance mode.

If NxGamer and DF are wrong, then sure. I don't have the game myself, so it's not like I can test and I still trust what they say. You, on the other hand, have been making a bunch of claims along with your friends and got precious little in terms of proof. Hitches and traversal stutters aren't solved by a faster GPU, so unless GameScience goes out of their way to improve things there, the Pro will also get traversal stutters.

But sure, the guy who pre-ordered the Pro and defended its existence and capabilities has agenda, not the one who admitted to disliking PC gaming and blatantly being incorrect about things such as frame generation only being available for high-end GPUs lol or the pedestrian build I made that could play Wukong at 60fps being some kind of super uncommon high-end build when it's a fucking budget rig with a 4060.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That's fine by me. But acting like putting a computer together is this herculean task is so ridiculous when the average person has to go through much more straining and difficult things just to make enough money to get by...

Like you said, car work. That's infinitely more expensive and ridiculous than putting together a simple computer yet the average person whining about "building a PC" would probably go crazy over a built car or the opportunity to build one

I think you're missing my point.

There are multiple things that take up my time. No one is saying building a PC is straining. It's just not necessary.

I work in IT. I have a desktop PC and a MacBook and an iPad. My desktop fan is likely broken. I could fix this pretty easily, but I haven't for months. Why is that? It's because I don't need my PC at all. Even if I fixed it, I wouldn't actively be using it. In fact for the last couple years it's mostly been used as a plex server that I don't really use anymore. I could also build out a NAS for my plex server, but again... Why?

The desk that your computer is on. Did you build it yourself? Are you making your own ethernet cables?

Like I don't get where you decide to draw the line and think everyone should have the same line.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

See how you are? And you call me disingenuous? NxGamer said the game stays mostly locked to 60 and here you are asking me to find one that is locked. It's those little accusations you make (implying I said the game stays locked at 60 during boss fights) that makes it insanely irritating to talk about anything with you, but sure, I will bring more evidence while continue to just say lolno without providing anything to back you up.



Here against the boss where you get the Red Tide transformation. Completely locked at 60.

That's NxGamer's video against the Wandering Wight where it drops once to 58fps for a split second.



Here, Alex from DF says that it's hitting 60 most of the time minus those big boss fights where boss full of fur like the wolf in Chapter 1 get close to the camera and drops your fps. And you see that when the wolf jumps on top of the character, the frame rate drops, but when it jumps back, it gets back up. That's also one boss. As far as I recall, it's the only boss that large with that much fur, so this is definitely an exception and not the rule.



This mode uses frame generation. All the PS5 needs is to stay at around 40 and frame gen will provide that +20fps to make it stay at 60 or above.

Sure, NxGamer had an agenda against the Pro when benchmarking the game...Now if you could find me those boss battles where the frame rate drops so much that a boost mode would make it "transformative", then that'd be appreciated. Not talking about the game dipping to 55fps, I'm talking about it consistently dropping outside the VRR window to the point where it's unstable and the boost mode would bring it right back to that 60fps line.

Well, find footage proving him and DF wrong, because they both came to the same conclusion.

If NxGamer and DF are wrong, then sure. I don't have the game myself, so it's not like I can test and I still trust what they say. You, on the other hand, have been making a bunch of claims along with your friends and got precious little in terms of proof. Hitches and traversal stutters aren't solved by a faster GPU, so unless GameScience goes out of their way to improve things there, the Pro will also get traversal stutters.

But sure, the guy who pre-ordered the Pro and defended its existence and capabilities has agenda, not the one who admitted to disliking PC gaming and blatantly being incorrect about things such as frame generation only being available for high-end GPUs lol or the pedestrian build I made that could play Wukong at 60fps being some kind of super uncommon high-end build when it's a fucking budget rig with a 4060.

• You admit that DF says in their video you can see the boss fight against the wolf drops significant frames.
  • You dismiss this by saying it's the only boss that drops frames with no evidence and suggest that it's on me to find further evidence on top of the evidence you're dismissing already
• I never said I disliked PC gaming...

You have a CLEAR agenda and everyone can see it.

 

[64bitmodels]

The desk that your computer is on. Did you build it yourself?

I don't really have a desk for my home computer, I play on the TV.

but ignoring that, aren't most desks ones that you have to assemble by yourself these days? especially stuff from IKEA and the like. You can't exactly ship all that material from Amazon all pre-built in giant boxes easily.

People build stuff all the time when it comes to furniture. getting a job in IT is infinitely more difficult than building a computer. It's a one time thing and then after that the system functions as expected. All this work we have to deal with in our daily lives but people draw the line at assembling a fucking computer.

I'll just stop it here since we'll never see eye to eye on this and there's more interesting discussions to have in the thread anyways

 

[Gaiff]

• You admit that DF says in their video you can see the boss fight against the wolf drops significant frames.
  • You dismiss this by saying it's the only boss that drops frames with no evidence and suggest that it's on me to find further evidence on top of the evidence you're dismissing already
• I never said I disliked PC gaming...

You have a CLEAR agenda and everyone can see it.

Yeah, so fucking nothing on your part. See how you are? I quoted the DF part because I'm actually an honest poster arguing in good faith. DF, and Nx clearly state that the game is mostly locked to 60 and Alex mentions that MINUS this boss fight, the game is 60fps and gives very clear reason as to why and when those drops occur against this boss, but you run with it and pretend that this is the norm when it isn't. This boss is the exception, not the rule. I even went out of my way and found two other boss fights which are more representative of the game, but you gladly ignored those because they don't fit your agenda.

• it's the only boss that drops frames with no evidence

Are you fucking shitting me? They both played the first two chapters and said the game is consistently at 60fps and Alex says this boss fight is the exception. How the fuck is this no evicence?

And when I asked you about bosses with sustained drops. *crickets chirping*

Fucking pathetic. It's sickening how much of a dishonest poster you are.

 

[XXL]

 

[Astray]

...can't you just pause, minimize the game and put the pc into rest mode? I did that before and works just fine.

I have a 4090 and thus far I'm still very paranoid about leaving it on when I'm outside the house.

(Went for a well-reviewed PSU and Card and installed the 12vhpwr connector firmly, but still..)

Most people won't even bother upgrading. Not everyone cares about having the latest tech, they want their game machines to play a few selected games they always come back to and the occasional thing they hear from their friends. Heck, the majority of gaming PCs are laptops.

People are not recommending laptops here tho. And people with PCs do in fact upgrade.

The 1060 is not the most installed gpu amongst Steam users anymore. That happens for a reason.

Also these same guys are the ones who will complain about bad ports whenever the new consoles come out and raise the floor for AA/AAA games (they are very obviously those who followed bad recommendations in the past and can't upgrade their PC well without having to do major surgery).

 

[64bitmodels]

But hey let's pretend that people with a PC with a 4090 spent all that money just for video editing and writing

if you're buying a 4090 theres a high chance you arent JUST gonna be using it for gaming. Most gamers still don't like the idea of spending 1600 for a gpu, you can simply tell from the steam survey that people keep bringing up to prove how "weak" the average PC gamer build is

But whatever. You wouldn't need a 4090 to match a PS5 pro's performance anyways and it's a very unnecessary card for gaming- a 4080 or 4070 super (or a 7800xt if you want cheaper AMD) will work for most. We are talking about video games so i'm of the opinion it's unfair to suddenly bring up other stuff to argue in PC's favor

 

[Mibu no ookami]

if you're buying a 4090 theres a high chance you arent JUST gonna be using it for gaming. Most gamers still don't like the idea of spending 1600 for a gpu, you can simply tell from the steam survey that people keep bringing up to prove how "weak" the average PC gamer build is

But whatever. You wouldn't need a 4090 to match a PS5 pro's performance anyways and it's a very unnecessary card for gaming- a 4080 or 4070 super (or a 7800xt if you want cheaper AMD) will work for most. We are talking about video games so i'm of the opinion it's unfair to suddenly bring up other stuff to argue in PC's favor

I just don't know why people can't have an honest discussion about the PS5 Pro.

The thing launches in bit over 2 weeks. We're going to know everything we need to know relatively soon.

 

[64bitmodels]

I just don't know why people can't have an honest discussion about the PS5 Pro.

It's neogaf man.

You don't come here for "honest discussions" or some polite debate where each side gives a well thought out and reasoned argument for why they think the way they do. Trust me there's some cool people here, but you're gonna get console warring and arguments and mean words thrown around I could say that for most places on the internet but for someone who's been on the platform as long as you, you should have a good understanding of the average user here

just dont take shit seriously. Threads like these are made because they reflect the site at its most hilarious and entertaining.

 

[EverydayBeast]

The vast majority of people big picture are still on last gen PS4, ps5 pro is for a small majority of “gaming enthusiasts”.

 

[64bitmodels]

Every PS5 Pro thread is infested with people that want to convince the world that PC gaming is better

and they're usually filled with titles trying to downplay PC or make it look bad in some way for some reason. case in point the one you are typing in now

Throwing rocks and getting surprised when rocks are getting thrown back is really dumb

 

[clarky]

The vast majority of people big picture are still on last gen PS4, ps5 pro is for a small majority of “gaming enthusiasts”.

Untrue.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's neogaf man.

You don't come here for "honest discussions" or some polite debate where each side gives a well thought out and reasoned argument for why they think the way they do. Trust me there's some cool people here, but you're gonna get console warring and arguments and mean words thrown around I could say that for most places on the internet but for someone who's been on the platform as long as you, you should have a good understanding of the average user here

just dont take shit seriously. Threads like these are made because they reflect the site at its most hilarious and entertaining.

Fair enough. I think we could be better though...

The vast majority of people big picture are still on last gen PS4, ps5 pro is for a small majority of “gaming enthusiasts”.

Example above. The "vast majority of people are still on PS4"

Sony had 116 million MAU in June... More than 60 million PS5s have sold... How are the vast majority of people still on last gen? It simply isn't true.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Then: Playstation gamers begging for Xbox ports

Now: PlayStation gamers begging for PC players

Where’s my MGS4 on Xbox, Konami??

Sony should port their games to Xbox too!

Helldivers II is exclusive to PlayStation on consoles! I don’t see who it helps!

Just sayin’!

 

[MisterXDTV]

and they're usually filled with titles trying to downplay PC or make it look bad in some way for some reason. case in point the one you are typing in now

Throwing rocks and getting surprised when rocks are getting thrown back is really dumb

I can't speak for others.

I already said my PC is basically 9 years old, i just changed my 9 year old PSU and replaced a 8-year old 1050 Ti with a 4060 basically for improved 4K video encoding/decoding

I don't give a shit about PC gaming

I'm just annoyed that here

PC = 4090

When it clearly isn't, it's just less than 1 percent PC gaming, let alone PCs that are NOT used for gaming at all...

 

[64bitmodels]

I can't talk for others.

I already said my PC is basically 9 years old, i just changed my 9 year old PSU and replaced a 8-year old 1050 Ti with a 4060 basically for 4K video encoding/decoding

I don't give a shit about PC gaming

I'm just annoyed that here

PC = 4090

When it clearly isn't, it's just less than 1 percent PC gaming, let alone PCs that are NOT used for gaming at all...

thats cool but its not my point. I'm just saying that you can't act like PC gamers are starting the fights when threads like these are made with an express purpose of starting shit. Throwing rocks, hiding hands, pointing fingers.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I can't speak for others.

I already said my PC is basically 9 years old, i just changed my 9 year old PSU and replaced a 8-year old 1050 Ti with a 4060 basically for improved 4K video encoding/decoding

I don't give a shit about PC gaming

I'm just annoyed that here

PC = 4090

When it clearly isn't, it's just less than 1 percent PC gaming, let alone PCs that are NOT used for gaming at all...

This is where I'm at.

I think DF has pushed this narrative more than anyone, particularly Alex.

But it is what it is. That's the heart of the grift.

 

[Gaiff]

I can't speak for others.

I already said my PC is basically 9 years old, i just changed my 9 year old PSU and replaced a 8-year old 1050 Ti with a 4060 basically for improved 4K video encoding/decoding

I don't give a shit about PC gaming

I'm just annoyed that here

PC = 4090

When it clearly isn't, it's just less than 1 percent PC gaming, let alone PCs that are NOT used for gaming at all...

Wait, am I reading this right? This is coming from you who consistently comes into PC threads to shit on PC gaming?

The complete lack of self-awareness.

 

[XXL]

thats cool but its not my point. I'm just saying that you can't act like PC gamers are starting the fights when threads like these are made with an express purpose of starting shit. Throwing rocks, hiding hands, pointing fingers.

This thread is based on comments from Alex of Digital Foundry.

Why are you in here gaslighting people for discussing it?

 

[64bitmodels]

This thread is based on comments from Alex of Digital Foundry.

Why are you in here gaslighting people for discussing it?

Digital Foundry Alex comments yeah. But it's still taking those specific comments and then trying to make a super ragebait headline from them. Ya know what you were doing and you know the climate this site has regarding platform warring. Not really the fault of "PC Gamers" here

 

[MisterXDTV]

Wait, am I reading this right? This is coming from you who consistently comes into PC threads to shit on PC gaming?

The complete lack of self-awareness.

I thought this was a PS5 Pro performance thread....

It's not my fault every PS5 Pro becomes a PC thread here

Thank God in 2 weeks GAMES will do the talking

 

[XXL]

Digital Foundry Alex comments yeah. But it's still taking those specific comments and then trying to make a super ragebait headline from them. Ya know what you were doing and you know the climate this site has regarding platform warring. Not really the fault of "PC Gamers" here

I didn't make the title the title is from the website.

You're 0 for 2 so far....

Again, gaslighting.

 

[Gaiff]

I thought this was a PS5 Pro specs thread....

It isn't.

It's not my fault every PS5 Pro becomes a PC thread here

The headline is about how PS5 can be the best place to play bad PC ports. How can you not get PC involved?

Thank god in 2 weeks GAMES will do the talking

This changes absolutely nothing to what I called you out on. Want me to dig up your post history and expose all the evidence where you come into threads with the sole purpose of trolling and shitting on PC gaming? Yet here you are complaining about PC gamers? You're one of the biggest instigators on this board lol.

 

[Topher]

I thought this was a PS5 Pro specs thread....

It's not my fault every PS5 Pro becomes a PC thread here

Thank God in 2 weeks GAMES will do the talking

This isn't a PS5 Pro specs thread. I don't like the silly generalizations here about "begging" and bullshit like that, but the thread topic clearly involves PC gaming.

"PlayStation 5 Pro Could Be the Best Place to Play Multiplatform Games With Bad PC Ports"

 

[64bitmodels]

I didn't make the title the title is from the website.

oh yeah this was from an article
thats fair

still though-posting such a thing like this here is just instigation either way you put it. And it still doesn't prove that "PC Gamers" are at fault for coming in the thread and rightfully getting a bit pissed at the title and implications of it especially considering the climate of the site.

You know what you were doing, just own up to it, its why we're all on this site anyways

 

[XXL]

Not really the fault of "PC Gamers" here

What about this thread....

DF - Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart PS5 Pro vs PS5 Image Quality Face-Off

00:00 Overview 00:59 Performance RT mode comparison 07:57 Fidelity mode comparison 10:48 Performance mode comparison 11:43 Frame-rate and conclusion

www.neogaf.com

It has nothing to do with PC and you'll find the same astroturfers (that are in this thread) in that one.

 

[XXL]

This isn't a PS5 Pro specs thread. I don't like the silly generalizations here about "begging" and bullshit like that, but the thread topic clearly involves PC gaming.

"PlayStation 5 Pro Could Be the Best Place to Play Multiplatform Games With Bad PC Ports"

Exactly. I don't really care that there are PC gamers in this topic.

 

[MisterXDTV]

"PlayStation 5 Pro Could Be the Best Place to Play Multiplatform Games With Bad PC Ports"

So the title is about PS5 Pro potential performance in gaming....

Why are PC cultists so triggered by this still UNRELEASED console???

Never seen anything like this

 

[kungfuian]

Mods, PCVR injection, free online play and saves, discounted and grey market games, infinite backward/forward compatibility, etc.

Not saying the tech in the Pro isn't awesome and for the price it punches way above its weight, so if you don't already have a capable PC it's a good deal. But if you already have a 4070 level rig or above, or intend to upgrade, then PC is the way to go. Digital foundry make it sound so important but most people could give a fuck about teeny differences in IQ or performance. It's just not that important to most gamers when it comes down to it.

 

[XXL]

oh yeah this was from an article
thats fair

still though-posting such a thing like this here is just instigation either way you put it. And it still doesn't prove that "PC Gamers" are at fault for coming in the thread and rightfully getting a bit pissed at the title and implications of it especially considering the climate of the site.

You know what you were doing, just own up to it, its why we're all on this site anyways

I'm all for debate about topics, the truth always comes out from conversation.

I'm not as sensitive as some people regarding this.

You're basically just projecting my intentions....just like leftists do to people about racism, misogyny, etc.

 

[64bitmodels]

So the title is about PS5 Pro potential performance in gaming....

Why are PC cultists so triggered by this still UNRELEASED console???

Never seen anything like this

"games with bad PC ports"

"why are the PC gamers coming into this thread that's mentioning PC gaming in a negative light??"

 

[Topher]

So the title is about PS5 Pro potential performance in gaming....

You are rewriting the title into something it is not.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

So the title is about PS5 Pro potential performance in gaming....

Why are PC cultists so triggered by this still UNRELEASED console???

Never seen anything like this

In fairness, it makes sense. On both sides! You’ve got the two devices that are all about power and the tech heads behind these articles dropped some spice in the pot! Of course it was going to lead to battle.

Yes, both sides have been a little hyperbolic at times, but the truth is this is where the war is going to be for a while. Nintendo keeps doing their thing, and succeeding, and Xbox is all but retired at this point.

So, here we are!

 

[XXL]

So the title is about PS5 Pro potential performance in gaming....

Why are PC cultists so triggered by this still UNRELEASED console???

Never seen anything like this

I have zero problems with them being here.

The bigger issue is the same posters also come into PS5 Pro only threads that have nothing to do with PC too.

 

[TintoConCasera]

The bigger issue is the same posters also come into PS5 Pro only threads that have nothing to do with PC too.

Why are you trying to police who has the rights to enter specific threads? Forum isn't yours you know.

 

[Gaiff]

In fairness, it makes sense. On both sides! You’ve got the two devices that are all about power and the tech heads behind these articles dropped some spice in the pot! Of course it was going to lead to battle.

Yes, both sides have been a little hyperbolic at times, but the truth is this is where the war is going to be for a while. Nintendo keeps doing their thing, and succeeding, and Xbox is all but retired at this point.

So, here we are!

This thread is much more relevant to PC gamers. If the PS5 Pro is the best place to play bad PC ports, then this means this is addressed to PC gamers, not console gamers who don't get bad PC ports lol.

 

[MisterXDTV]

"games with bad PC ports"

"why are the PC gamers coming into this thread that's mentioning PC gaming in a negative light??"

So they are triggered by the "bad PC ports" part:

I thought PC users themselves were the first in line to complain about PC ports blaming devs....

It's not exactly a secret, is it?