High frame rates cause bottlenecks and most importantly if they are really interested in rt they have to up the cpu it’s not just a gpu cost it’s also a cpu one. It’s not like this console is gonna be cheap 700 discless would be pretty unacceptable to not up the cpu
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I heard actually increasing the clocks of zen 2 is more expensive than using an equal size zen 4 or even 5 cause of chip and node size though I don’t know how true it is. If its true though it’s extra stupid we aren’t getting zen 5 this thing can cost as much as 700 and no cpu upgrade is quite obscene
If they go with Zen 2, there's probably a reason. It's not like they don't have the performance figures and silicone cost for Zen 4/5s.
Some think it could be even 649 or 699 discless and still have to get the drive add on. And I’m all for paying that price if they actually give everything including the cpu and ram a real upgrade
I hope the leak is wrong I really do this really shows they made a massive mistake going with zen 2 instead of 3 with the base model we would have at least had a higher base if they went zen 3 originally
Now what you said here is complete facts everyone here only discussing resolution increases is a joke I hope like you everything is getting upgraded so unlike the ps4 pro the cpu gets upgraded to zen 5 they offer an advanced machine learning based upscaling core and hardware support for frame gen. Maybe increase the memory and add some advanced rt cores. This could allow path tracing a lower resolutions (and likely 30fps) so something new over the base model or maxing out what the base model is aiming to target in a performance mode
It's really becoming apparent that you don't know what you are talking about.
Yeah really hoping this rumor is wrong this thing is gonna be 6-700$ discless so in that context nothing here justifies that price I hope we get actual rdna 4 zen 5 and up the memory to 20gb
It depends on the specs if these leaked specs are true and especially for the price of 6-700$ I’d stick to pc however if these specs are wrong and they are more along the lines of what I was expecting which is rdna 4 (around an 8700xt) and zen 5 with an increase to 20gb of memory then I think it would be better to go for the pro model especially if they give it 144hz support
I never said anything about 800 I said 700 because everyone knows it will be at least 600 to a maximum of 700 discless and for either of those 2 prices only upgrading the gpu is crazy does a 600-700$ budget not allow a cpu upgrade? They already cheaped out on the base ps5 using zen 2 instead of 3 (which adds to making this current predicament worse). Ray tracing demands cpu costs because of the bvh structure same with targeting 120fps if we want any kind of 120fps with rt using the same zen 2 is not gonna cut it. Stop justifying these specs especially at the rumored price
I said... at the rate, you are going, you are saying $700 with so much authority and conviction that you might as well start saying its $800. Whereas, the likelihood that it would even cost as much as $700 is slim to none. Hell, it's got more of a chance of costing $500/$550 than it does of costing $600.
Again, Clocboost and more cache, IS AN UPGRADE. These pie in te sy specs you are pushing is not only unrealistic, its also unnecessary.
This is just not true. What you are saying, is just not true. These things just don't work the way you are suggesting they do or are as hamstrung as you are making it out o be.
Well RT is also supposed to need a good CPU on console. But look at what Insomniac are doing RT wise with Spider-man 2. I suspect they must use every hardware available on PS5 which has, compared to PC, a crappy CPU. But Spider-man 2 often runs at 80fps there.
Isn’t the cpu around ryzen 3600 levels? Far from crappy.
Lower than this. Those consoles have 4x less L3 CPU cache.
Should be zen 5
Zen5 3d would be the best
Rt and high frame rates demand a good cpu
Make that zen 5 and rdna 4 and I think the specs are good heck if possi
ble make the memory 20gb
My best bet would be RDNA3.5.
Mid gen refresh is being snubbed by the general buying public.
Xbox Next in 2025 maybe early 26
I truly hope they dont do 399 consoles anymore .... in 2028 ???? Enough with crappie hardware from the getgo ... people pay thousands every few years for new phones... time for some new perspective in the console business ... IF they do 399 I hope they have from day 01 a pro model 599/699 with good hardware.. shit I would easily pay 800 for premium hardware as long as I get to use it for 08 years and forget about midgen upgrades... Imho is money well spent ..
On one hand, I kind of agree.
That should be zen 6 if it’s 2026 zen 5 releases next year
My best bet would be RDNA3.5.
RDNA4 may not have been ready on time based on the fact Strix Point is using RDNA3.5.
I don't think they sold 20 million PS4 Pro. They once said that after the release people still bought Slim 4:1. When Pro was released already ~75 million PS4 were sold, so 20% of the remaining 40 million sold would be like 8 million. I think it's rather a prestige object and marketing thing than a big money maker.
The cpu wouldn’t be used to run things exclusively on the pro… it would be used to gurantee the power for 60+ fps and rt (cause of its cpu cost)
We wanted a cpu bump cause of the rumored price
That would be better b
AMD's Radeon RX 7900M is its most powerful mobile GPU yet
AMD has unveiled the Radeon RX7900M mobile GPU built around its RDNA 3 architecture that first appeared on the Radeon RX 7900 XTX and 7900 XT desktop processors.
Would be nice to have this in the PS5 pro.
i hope these specs are wrong zen 5 will be almost a year old when this comes out
Do you have an idea why no game can do 120fps with ray tracing even at 720p?
The guy above keeps defending mediocre specs for a premium product is he forgetting this thing is gonna be 600-700$ he doesn’t need to defend Sony. His point would make more sense if the console was staying at 499
Even for 599 these specs are disappointing these leaked specs shouldn’t be above 549
You don’t watch df or nx gamer do you there is no way you don’t know rt isn’t just a gpu cost but a cpu one as well cause of the bvh structure
It’s also pretty ridiculous to still use zen 2 in the context of the rumored price I was actually excited seeing the 600+ price tag cause I thought it meant everything including the cpu of course was getting upgraded
And it likely could run at 120 if they had a better cpu in the unlocked mode I doubt it’s gpu limited at 900-1080p
I don't think so.AMD's Radeon RX 7900M is its most powerful mobile GPU yet
AMD has unveiled the Radeon RX7900M mobile GPU built around its RDNA 3 architecture that first appeared on the Radeon RX 7900 XTX and 7900 XT desktop processors.
Would be nice to have this in the PS5 pro.
I can understand why PS4 Pro didn't use Zen Cores. Either it wasn't ready on time or it would have complicated chip design.
Most of the time the game runs close to 1440p in the framerate mode. As usual the game resolution must drop when there is plenty of alpha like fire and smoke. It means most ot the time the game must be CPU limited indeed.
I don't need to do that, but thank you for your concern.If you start now and save $20/week, you'll be in the $600 price range for the Pro by May/June 2024. Can't complain about price by then
Zen 2 is still in production. The Ryzen 7320U and 7520U launched about a year ago are still using Zen 2. The steam deck is still being manufactured with Zen 2 and obviously the PS5/XSX chips are still being made with Zen 2. If they are still using Zen 2 they wouldn't be doing it unless it was cheaper.
