PlayStation active players base has significantly grown over Xbox in the past two years, according to Ampere. End of 2024: PS +10M from Xbox in the US

Moridianae said:
Do you really need to be that hostile? Jesus, dude.
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I'm pretty sure he is sick of this stupid new narrative that somehow it's actually bad news for PlayStation that they outmatched the competition.

It's one of the dumbest things going since Xbox fail behind.

From my memory PS1 & PS2 were flooded with games after the competition got left behind but somehow we all should worry now that history is repeating itself with PS5.
 
onQ123 said:
I'm pretty sure he is sick of this stupid new narrative that somehow it's actually bad news for PlayStation that they outmatched the competition.

It's one of the dumbest things going since Xbox fail behind.

From my memory PS1 & PS2 were flooded with games after the competition got left behind but somehow we all should worry now that history is repeating itself with PS5.
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Maybe. It certainly came across a bit frustrated. I don't know--it may *not* be bad news.

I'm more than happy to pay and play something like Gears on Playstation; I haven't owned an Xbox console since the 360, but always enjoyed the series.

Seeing an ad *for* Gears on the PlayStation social media was pretty interesting to say the least. Kind of like Sega back in the day.

Different times now.
 
If you have a Series X and want to move to PS5, you can trade it in at GS and get a PS5 Slim with Astrobot and have money left over to pay for the taxes on said PS5. :messenger_beaming:
 
Microsoft made fuck up after fuck up and then gave up on consoles.

Now they are third party and everyone wins. So, it's all good.

They fumbled the bag and this is the outcome.
 
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Topher said:
Actively abandoning a console will do that
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It's the market that has abandoned the console, not MS. They've dropped exclusivity on new games and ported some previous games to more platforms but they still try selling the console, even if they're doing terribly. And they still release games for it, they've actually released more games than usual lately, and everything is still day 1 on Gamepass. That's not abandoning it.
For someone already in their ecosystem things are good, the game releases are piling up and MS have added another 75+ million potential customers for their games, which should pull in more money and hopefully improve things further.
 
Mibu no ookami said:
I think Sony hasn't had any real competition since then and I think what we'll see is them venture out beyond the base console in hopes to get more TAM. What that means for PlayStation console owners, I'm not totally sure. You could make a lot of arguments either way, but my guess is Sony is about to have their Apple moment.
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Isn't it lovely how NeoGaf supports fan fiction?
 
Fess said:
It's the market that has abandoned the console, not MS. They've dropped exclusivity on new games and ported some previous games to more platforms but they still try selling the console, even if they're doing terribly. And they still release games for it, they've actually released more games than usual lately, and everything is still day 1 on Gamepass. That's not abandoning it.
For someone already in their ecosystem things are good, the game releases are piling up and MS have added another 75+ million potential customers for their games, which should pull in more money and hopefully improve things further.
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When even console exclusives are becoming less and less a thing and you have to pay for Game Pass Ultimate to get those day one games.....that's abandoning to me. Combined with their ad campaign that puts consoles on the same level as a roku.....yeah, we won't agree on this one, I'm afraid.
 
Moridianae said:
Microsoft just simply made several mistakes over the years that proved too detrimental.

I've long maintained the 2013 XB1 reveal caused severe, lasting damage to their brand.

But Sony bereft of any competition is not a good thing, imo.
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The fact people want it fail is more dramatic to me.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
PS was selling more units than Xbox, so Xbox shifted the conversation from "console sales" to "active players."

Now PS has beaten Xbox in that metric as well lol.

I wonder if Xbox will change the metric once again.
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Number of things you can call a Xbox is the new metric. Only one PlayStation but dozens of Xbox's.

Plus engagement. Xbox engagement is out of control.
 
SHA said:
The fact people want it fail is more dramatic to me.
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That's what happens when you put out a series s and buy up big publishers and give away games day one. They're too big to fail so their attempts to stay relevant continue to handicap the industry. But all you'll hear about is arrogant Sony...
 
Sinfulgore said:
Spin? I'm literally just repeating what is written in the article. Hard to say if they didn't get a majority because Call of Duty is also available through gamepass on PC and this report doesn't seem to have those numbers.
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Yes but you're concentrating on trying to spin the positive while ignoring the decline in xbox. This has nothing to do with PC. It's gamepass on xbox. CoDs xbox playerbase was in decline. in 2022 it was 43%, in 2023 it fell to 35% then its addition to gamepass meant xbox players launched the game (not PC) and it saw the percentage go back to 46% using those gamepass launch numbers which again wasn't a majority even for a sub vs sales. The decline in the xbox playerbase is separate and won't be offset by a gamepass introduction anymore and any decline in xbox is going to eat at the playerbase even more YoY. The point of the thread was that the playerbase advantage of PS has been increasing. It was offset by the introduction of it being "free" for the subscribers for this franchise but that doesn't take away from the fact that the xbox/PS playerbase gap is increasing in PS's favour.
 
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Three said:
Yes but you're concentrating on trying to spin the positive while ignoring the decline in xbox. This has nothing to do with PC. It's gamepass on xbox. CoDs xbox playerbase was in decline. in 2022 it was 43%, in 2023 it fell to 35% then its addition to gamepass meant xbox players launched the game (not PC) and it saw the percentage go back to 46% using those gamepass launch numbers which again wasn't a majority even for a sub vs sales. The decline in the xbox playerbase is separate and won't be offset by a gamepass introduction anymore and any decline in xbox is going to eat at the playerbase even more. The point of the thread was that the playerbase advantage of PS has been increasing. It was offset by the introduction of it being "free" for the subscribers for this franchise but that doesn't take away from the fact that the xbox/PS playerbase gap is increasing in PS's favour.
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And when you throw in the price difference of the console and games now....
 
When I hear these playerbase stories and who sells more I generally ignore them, a lot of people have Xbox, why? The games currently out, Microsoft's different things like the controller, or hardware and certainly people have a different experience with PlayStation.
 
Let's be real, the tide started to turn way back in May 2008 when Haze (the Halo killer FPS!) was released as a PS3 exclusive.
 
Topher said:
When even console exclusives are becoming less and less a thing and you have to pay for Game Pass Ultimate to get those day one games.....that's abandoning to me. Combined with their ad campaign that puts consoles on the same level as a roku.....yeah, we won't agree on this one, I'm afraid.
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The Gamepass Ultimate requirement came like 2 years ago before they transitioned to a multiplat publisher. A result from bad game sales from Gamepass cannibalism. No surprise here, I never buy their games on their store, only on Steam. They could in theory remove that requirement now that they have 75+ million more customers with no Gamepass option, but they looooove money so we'll see.

Them releasing their games on more platforms doesn't affect anyone who're already in their ecosystem. No more than PC ports of PlayStation games. There is no negative effect really, not yet. Quite the opposite it could be a positive thing if their games become more popular from more people playing them and make them pop up on sales top lists and talking about them and fill up mp servers and vote for GOTY awards etc etc. This snowball has only just started moving. Besides Minecraft their games has never had a userbase this big before so who knows what will happen.

Eventually little market interest in their own console will lead to devs not bothering doing Xbox versions, but one step at a time they're not there yet, except from Series S which has been a problem from day 1.

Once they stop manufacturing the console, once they stop releasing games for it. Then they've abandoned it.
 
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Unless you are a diehard there really is no reason to own a Xbox console.
You can get both exclusives and third party all on one console- or atleast know they are coming with a Playstation.

I leave PC out cause im talking consoles- and yet you cant truly guarentee a Playstation game on PC.
 
m14 said:
Let's be real, the tide started to turn way back in May 2008 when Haze (the Halo killer FPS!) was released as a PS3 exclusive.
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Xbox had it's best hardware sales when Kinect was released in 2010 I know you're trolling to deflect but anyway


It’s Official: 2010 the Biggest Year in Xbox History - The Official Microsoft Blog

The debut of Kinect and smash-hit games like “Fable III” and “Halo: Reach,” drove Xbox to the biggest year in its history in 2010. More December 2010 highlights from NPD, an independent market research firm, include: • Xbox 360 was the only console to show year-over-year growth at 42 percent...
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Fess said:
The Gamepass Ultimate requirement came like 2 years ago before they transitioned to a multiplat publisher. A result from bad game sales from Gamepass cannibalism. No surprise here, I never buy their games on their store, only on Steam. They could in theory remove that requirement now that they have 75+ more customers with no Gamepass option, but they looooove money so we'll see.

Them releasing their games on more platforms doesn't affect anyone who're already in their ecosystem. No more than PC ports of PlayStation games. There is no negative effect really, not yet. Quite the opposite it could be a positive thing if their games become more popular from more people playing them and make them pop up on sales top lists and talking about them and fill up mp servers and vote for GOTY awards etc etc. This snowball has only just started moving. Besides Minecraft their games has never had a userbase this big before so who knows what will happen.

Eventually little market interest in their own console will lead to devs not bothering doing Xbox versions, but one step at a time they're not there yet, except from Series S which has been a problem from day 1.

Once they stop manufacturing the console, once they stop releasing games for it. Then they've abandoned it.
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Game Pass ultimate started being required for day one games for new Xbox customers last year when they increased the price and changed the tiers.

PC ports don't matter to folks who only want to game on consoles. Folks see more and more games going to PlayStation and many are going to be wondering if they are backing the wrong horse. Does it affect the games they play? No. But if they don't feel like Microsoft gives a shit about them then they could start bailing. Now we see actual data showing that is happening and yeah, I think MS abandoning Xbox is a factor.

Let's not confuse discontinuing with abandoning. PS Vita comes to mind on the Sony side.
 
Topher said:
Game Pass ultimate started being required for day one games for new Xbox customers last year when they increased the price and changed the tiers.

PC ports don't matter to folks who only want to game on consoles. Folks see more and more games going to PlayStation and many are going to be wondering if they are backing the wrong horse. Does it affect the games they play? No. But if they don't feel like Microsoft gives a shit about them then they could start bailing. Now we see actual data showing that is happening and yeah, I think MS abandoning Xbox is a factor.

Let's not confuse discontinuing with abandoning. PS Vita comes to mind on the Sony side.
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Wasn't Starfield exclusive to Ultimate in 2023?

Anyway I don't agree on your reasoning here. I think their multi device strategy affects those currently outside the ecosystem more than those within it. Therefore I don't see it as an abandonment. And Sony dropping game development on Vita is not a good comparison at all. MS has been pumping out games like nobody else on their console the last 6 months. Haven't seen any evidence of them slowing down. If that happens, then yeah, they've abandoned it. But a year like this with a new game essentially every month? Nah
 
The microsoft gaming division has been disastrously managed. This is a normal result.

It would be better if it wasn't this way for the consumer, though.
 
bitbydeath said:
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What was the latest big new 1st party game from Sony that you played?
That's your answer.
They don't have to do a thing. For real. With no real competition they can safely sit on their laurels and just be a store.
It's convenient for gamers to not have to bother with other stores though. Look at the PC space, one place for everything. But no Half Life 3…
 
Microsoft shot themself in the foot to a great degree to lead to this

sucks for them but it is what it is. I don't see how they will get people back now.
 
Fess said:
What was the latest big new 1st party game from Sony that you played?
That's your answer.
They don't have to do a thing. For real. With no real competition they can safely sit on their laurels and just be a store.
It's convenient for gamers to not have to bother with other stores though. Look at the PC space, one place for everything. But no Half Life 3…
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They also had very few 1st party games on PS1 and their biggest games were 3rd party.
 
Fess said:
Wasn't Starfield exclusive to Ultimate in 2023?
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Ah...think that was in 2023 that they changed it up and not 2024. Starfield didn't come to "Standard" until February 2025.

Anyway I don't agree on your reasoning here. I think their multi device strategy affects those currently outside the ecosystem more than those within it. Therefore I don't see it as an abandonment. And Sony dropping game development on Vita is not a good comparison at all. MS has been pumping out games like nobody else on their console the last 6 months. Haven't seen any evidence of them slowing down. If that happens, then yeah, they've abandoned it. But a year like this with a new game essentially every month? Nah
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My Vita example was just highlighting the difference between abandoning and discontinuing, nothing more. I wasn't suggesting Microsoft had stopped making games for Xbox consoles. Forcing Xbox console gamers to get Ultimate for Starfield while PC gamers get it day one is a better example of what I'm talking about. Those are your most loyal Xbox fans and, to me, that is treating them like second class citizens.
 
Fess said:
What was the latest big new 1st party game from Sony that you played?
That's your answer.
They don't have to do a thing. For real. With no real competition they can safely sit on their laurels and just be a store.
It's convenient for gamers to not have to bother with other stores though. Look at the PC space, one place for everything. But no Half Life 3…
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They had 2 GOTYs, Helldivers 2 and Astrobot. That's not "sitting on your laurels just being a store". Death Stranding 2 next month so not much time until the next big game either.
 
Topher said:
Forcing Xbox console gamers to get Ultimate for Starfield while PC gamers get it day one is a better example of what I'm talking about. Those are your most loyal Xbox fans and, to me, that is treating them like second class citizens.
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The PC userbase has always got better things, nothing new there, same thing with paid online on console and free on PC. Same for Sony on their ports. It is what it is. Doesn't mean much imo, it's just something they can do and therefore they do it.
 
Three said:
Yes but you're concentrating on trying to spin the positive while ignoring the decline in xbox. This has nothing to do with PC. It's gamepass on xbox. CoDs xbox playerbase was in decline. in 2022 it was 43%, in 2023 it fell to 35% then its addition to gamepass meant xbox players launched the game (not PC) and it saw the percentage go back to 46% using those gamepass launch numbers which again wasn't a majority even for a sub vs sales. The decline in the xbox playerbase is separate and won't be offset by a gamepass introduction anymore and any decline in xbox is going to eat at the playerbase even more YoY. The point of the thread was that the playerbase advantage of PS has been increasing. It was offset by the introduction of it being "free" for the subscribers for this franchise but that doesn't take away from the fact that the xbox/PS playerbase gap is increasing in PS's favour.
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I'm ignoring it because that's not what this post is about. The article is about Call of Duty's impact coming to Gamepass so that's what Im concentrating on that. Gamepass is also on PC so yes this is about PC as well. If you want to talk about the decline of the xbox that's fine but that's not what my post or the article is about.
 
Unknown? said:
They also had very few 1st party games on PS1 and their biggest games were 3rd party.
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Yeah they were dominating wildly that gen too. They turned things around with PS3, grew the first party output a ton, became a 1st party power house. I'd say it was because of the competition but can't prove it of course. It's really lately that I feel like they've been a letdown, I spent $1150 for a Pro that I haven't even powered on after platinuming Astrobot. Disappointing.
But we'll see how things evolve going forward. Ghost 2 comes out later in the year at least.
 
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