Xbox-PC, Xbox Prime etc tend to transfer the tradicional 'xbox' consumer base to the PS6, Switch 2

In the last few days we were surprised by the announcement of a new line of products, the open Xboxes. Pessimism and cautious curiosity have been the thermometer of the discussions, semantics aside, it's clear to us that it is a PC with an 'Xbox' logo and design. This approach is not new to us, Valve did it in 2014 and some problems are unavoidable, such as the subsidy issue that weakens the price x performance balance compared to a traditional console and the lack of exclusive games.

The true test of fire for the Xbox brand was done in 2016 with Microsoft simultaneously launching its games on the Xbox One and PC. The result was incredible. It was confirmed that this has little influence because there is an audience that at the end of the day likes to play on a console, they are console guys, they only play on consoles
Before I conclude, I need to say the real problem with this model: it doesn't take into account the observation cited above the Xbox division's strategists are relying on pillars of sand and salt. They believe that the fact that a person has an Xbox account will keep them in their product base, and this is a naive mistake. People are free, and it won't be that amazing Xbox 360 games that will keep them on the platform automatically.

Therefore, we can assure with some degree of confidence that the transfer of people who are currently Xbox consumers to other consoles will accelerate. I can't see audience, you know, those who want a PC will opt for a traditional PC, and those who want a traditional console will migrate to the PS6, Switch 2.
And you, do you believe that the next Xbox will accelerate the transfer of consumers to other consoles?
I don't see a problem if you keep rebuying your content like the Gaffer that I don't remember his name here and got banned, I understand what you're saying from that perspective but it obviously will take a lot of effort from MS to make steam and pc games functioning the way they should be, I won't deny that, and they'll definitely make it simple for the consumer, it's their job to make it simple.
 
Watching people invent perfect use-cases for a thing that hasn't even been shown (but has the required brand) is like a new hobby. I think I'm starting to understand the appeal of bird watching.
 
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Watching.people invent perfect use-cases for a thing that hasn't even been shown (but has the required brand) is like a new hobby. I think I'm starting to understand the appeal of bird watching.
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They're not "open Xbox", they're just PCs with the Xbox name slapped onto them. Even if they provide a BC layer for Xbox console games, they're goign to try to sell you a PC. There's not going to be a future Xbox console.

I suspect these things have a very low sales ceiling and a lot of Xbox Series S/X owners are going to buy a PS5 or PS6 when the time comes.
 
No worries. 95% of the Xbox "target audience" has already been on PlayStation and Nintendo for decades. Should be a smooth transition.

Only ones left are the basement cult dwellers. The ones who worship the Xbox logo and stare loveling at pictures of Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg each night before bed. Those guys can stay.
 
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Microsoft has had some wins with Xbox over the years (the Xbox Series X is my favorite home console of all time, and the game output in the Xbox 360 era was awesome), but they have managed to screw up a lot of basic stuff that put them behind the competition. The majority of Microsoft's issues with Xbox comes down to them making retarded decisions that turned people off, myself included.

Whoever greenlit "Xbox One," followed by "Xbox One S," "Xbox One X," needs to be incarcerated. If I'm ever talking about the original Xbox I have to specify "original Xbox". Beyond communication, so many parents got their kids the wrong Xbox console because of the stupid naming structure (and people selling their old Xbox consoles on Craigslist, eBay, and Facebook Marketplace took advantage of that confusion). I actually like the "Xbox Series S/X" naming convention, but they're pulling a Nintendo where they have to come up with something unique every time. This will potentially result in increased confusing down the line. To contrast this, I don't know of a single instance of someone being confused by which PlayStation to get. The naming convention might be lame (not even "might be" - it's completely lame), but everyone knows exactly what you're talking about.

And let's not forget the absolute trainwreck that was the Xbox One reveal. It was like they were actively trying to lose their player base. They spent more time talking about the Xbox One as a multimedia device than they did talking about actual games. To call it tone-deaf would be an understatement. People buy video game consoles for, you guessed it, video games. What a shocker. On top of that, the times they did talk about games, they basically told people they hated them and to suck nuts. Threatening always-online DRM, the Kinect built-in (which also increased the price) that was always watching you and you couldn't disable it, and the arrogance of Don Mattrick who said, "We have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity. It's called Xbox 360." That smug bastard pissed me off.

By the way, the Kinect that was forced into the launch bundle (which made the price higher than the PS4) was basically abandoned a year later. So if you were one of the people who bought in early, you got screwed. Well, more screwed. You were already screwed because of the price. Then you were screwed because that price turned out to be more of a waste than original thought.

They also completely dropped the ball in the Japanese and Asian markets. Xbox has never had a strong presence there, but they didn't even try for a long time. Meanwhile, PlayStation and Nintendo were doubling down on Japanese games, which meant JRPG fans and anyone into niche genres had no reason to pick up an Xbox. Microsoft just didn't make the effort. On top of that, people who love JRPGs noticed that the Xbox One was a step backwards. During the Xbox 360 era, Microsoft had increased its RPG/JRPG footprint. Lost Odyssey is still one of my top 10 games to this day. But with the Xbox One, they abandoned that particular ship.

Even now, exclusivity is a mess. They say something is exclusive, but it's also on PC day one, and major titles are coming out on PlayStation either at the same time of the Xbox release, or shortly thereafter. Cool for PC and PlayStation gamers, but it kind of kills any reason to own an actual Xbox if other devices can run the same games, including your primary competitor. Sony and Nintendo understand platform identity (although it seems like Sony might be dipping its toe in the same waters that Microsoft is in), but Microsoft seems to have given up. There's no clear reason why someone needs to buy a future Xbox.

Game Pass is the one thing they really nailed, but I don't consider that to be a good thing. It trained people to wait for games to hit the service instead of buying them. Redfall was hyped to hell and ended up being a wet fart (and I feel like I am being generous with that description). Halo Infinite had a decent campaign but launched with half of its promised features missing. If you're going to spend billions acquiring studios, you've got to deliver, and Microsoft has an aversion to properly managing studios and consistently releasing good games. They actual seem to be on the uptick lately, but this is after they gutted their own platform.

Sorry for my rant. I want Xbox to succeed (more competition is better), but Microsoft's version of success seems to be them being a third-party publisher where the Xbox brand means next to nothing, and that isn't competition. I wanted Microsoft to properly manage their studios, have organic first-party exclusives without having to buy major studios and publishers (this one also applies to Sony, although Microsoft clearly went nuts with ZeniMax and then Activision Blizzard), make gamers their primary focus, and continue to create innovative consoles. Maybe they'll surprise me with this change-up, but I don't see that happening.
 
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Bro, no one is reading that wall of text.
me, I read everything and observe each opinion.

Microsoft and Xbox are moving away a lot from the roots that make this hobby of ours something that moves energy
which is the direct competition, honestly it will be like Surface just a product without this energy, maybe no one will talk about Xbox in the same way again, It seems they are not competing in our league.
 
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$550? You are an optimist, sir!
This is the good side of the traditional business model of the console market. On the Xbox-PC, the most basic version will be very weak and a hypothetical version compatible with the PS6 specs will be around $750, see how it is impossible for this model to be commercially competitive.
will always be misaligned in price x performance.
 
In the last few days we were surprised by the announcement of a new line of products, the open Xboxes. Pessimism and cautious curiosity have been the thermometer of the discussions, semantics aside, it's clear to us that it is a PC with an 'Xbox' logo and design. This approach is not new to us, Valve did it in 2014 and some problems are unavoidable, such as the subsidy issue that weakens the price x performance balance compared to a traditional console and the lack of exclusive games.

The true test of fire for the Xbox brand was done in 2016 with Microsoft simultaneously launching its games on the Xbox One and PC. The result was incredible. It was confirmed that this has little influence because there is an audience that at the end of the day likes to play on a console, they are console guys, they only play on consoles
Before I conclude, I need to say the real problem with this model: it doesn't take into account the observation cited above the Xbox division's strategists are relying on pillars of sand and salt. They believe that the fact that a person has an Xbox account will keep them in their product base, and this is a naive mistake. People are free, and it won't be that amazing Xbox 360 games that will keep them on the platform automatically.

Therefore, we can assure with some degree of confidence that the transfer of people who are currently Xbox consumers to other consoles will accelerate. I can't see audience, you know, those who want a PC will opt for a traditional PC, and those who want a traditional console will migrate to the PS6, Switch 2.
And you, do you believe that the next Xbox will accelerate the transfer of consumers to other consoles?

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Nothing has even been announced yet and you have managed to project so much rubbish.

Nothing is clear to anyone yet.

You claim the next Xbox is a PC with a sticker on, and that as it's not subsidised it can't compete with PS6

How is such crazy taken as normal here?
It's exactly the circle jerk stuff here I mentioned Topher Topher

A crazy post and everyone jumps in on Xbox for no reason. PS won the war you guys can rest now 😂

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Sooner Sooner not a basement in sight, no cult. Just a wife, job, kids, car. Very normal. Maybe your the sad fucking basement dweller???

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The point of XBox PC isn't to sell chips, it's to destroy Playstation.

Sony realizes how dependent they are on GAAS revenue, hence why the attempt to get themselves one.
 
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So, with this announcement. Is it confirmed there isnt a traditional console coming from MS, because i thought Sarah Bond insinuated that there would be an Xbox console?
There hasn't been any announcements, just an AMD x Xbox partnership (continuation)

Insider's here have said it's not just a PC, and that traditional consoles are coming.

Who knows anything else it's all tales from the ass
 
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Nothing has even been announced yet and you have managed to project so much rubbish.

Nothing is clear to anyone yet.

You claim the next Xbox is a PC with a sticker on, and that as it's not subsidised it can't compete with PS6

How is such crazy taken as normal here?
It's exactly the circle jerk stuff here I mentioned Topher Topher

A crazy post and everyone jumps in on Xbox for no reason. PS won the war you guys can rest now 😂

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Sooner Sooner not a basement in sight, no cult. Just a wife, job, kids, car. Very normal. Maybe your the sad fucking basement dweller???

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Doesn't that TV start to melt when you have the fire on?
 
What I believe is that putting a platform as powerful as Steam on Xbox is going to destroy what little remains of it as a platform by cannibalizing it completely.
 
me, I read everything and observe each opinion.

Microsoft and Xbox are moving away a lot from the roots that make this hobby of ours something that moves energy
which is the direct competition, honestly it will be like Surface just a product without this energy, maybe no one will talk about Xbox in the same way again, It seems they are not competing in our league.
That has already happened. The message has changed and it is loud and clear. I would say I am surprised at how quickly some of the traditional console warriors switched gears to the new "Xbox" but I am not.
 
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Nothing has even been announced yet and you have managed to project so much rubbish.

Nothing is clear to anyone yet.

You claim the next Xbox is a PC with a sticker on, and that as it's not subsidised it can't compete with PS6

How is such crazy taken as normal here?
It's exactly the circle jerk stuff here I mentioned Topher Topher

A crazy post and everyone jumps in on Xbox for no reason. PS won the war you guys can rest now 😂

It ain't a "circle jerk" because plenty of people like you are calling it out. If it was a circle jerk then you would already be banned for simply disagreeing with the hive mind.

I don't get this need to make it about the entire forum my man.

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There hasn't been any announcements, just an AMD x Xbox partnership (continuation)

Insider's here have said it's not just a PC, and that traditional consoles are coming.

Who knows anything else it's all tales from the ass
You may have missed it but Sarah Bond has already announced they'll be moving to a PC operating system that will run PC stores and play PC games.
 
That has already happened. The message has changed and it is loud and clear. I would say I am surprised at how quickly some of the traditional console warriors switched gears to the new "Xbox" but I am not.
When MS releases this new product and it becomes clear that they are in the blue ocean now our interest in talking about the platform will naturally
cease.
 
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So, with this announcement. Is it confirmed there isnt a traditional console coming from MS, because i thought Sarah Bond insinuated that there would be an Xbox console?

Yeah, but why would we trust that when she is part of the same company who said everything is an "Xbox". They ain't exactly strict with their definitions. Having said that, more reliable people (ironically) here have stated it is a traditional console.
 
Yeah, but why would we trust that when she is part of the same company who said everything is an "Xbox". They ain't exactly strict with their definitions. Having said that, more reliable people (ironically) here have stated it is a traditional console.
But and you, what is your opinion? Do you believe that MS will subsidize a product that runs third-party stores? for example
 
Not only am I at that stage in my life I also feed said birds and have a growing collection of Koi in my rec pond thank you very much :)

For any other older folk that are enjoying watching birds I highly suggest the Merlin Bird ID app as it uses your phone to listen to the birds and IDs them for you
We have a squirrel and multiple bird feeders too lol. I usually spend mornings on the weekends drinking coffee and watching them with the cats. They're glued to the window every morning.
 
We have a squirrel and multiple bird feeders too lol. I usually spend mornings on the weekends drinking coffee and watching them with the cats. They're glued to the window every morning.
Yeah I feed the squirrels and deer as well.

Love sitting out there listening to the water moving watching the critters eating

I am my father :)
 
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Nothing has even been announced yet and you have managed to project so much rubbish.

Nothing is clear to anyone yet.

You claim the next Xbox is a PC with a sticker on, and that as it's not subsidised it can't compete with PS6

How is such crazy taken as normal here?
It's exactly the circle jerk stuff here I mentioned Topher Topher

A crazy post and everyone jumps in on Xbox for no reason. PS won the war you guys can rest now 😂

Screenshot-20250621-120536-com-sec-android-app-sbrowser-SBrowser-Main-Activity.jpg

Sooner Sooner not a basement in sight, no cult. Just a wife, job, kids, car. Very normal. Maybe your the sad fucking basement dweller???

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Maybe you wouldn't be so angry if your tv wasn't too high up.
 
But and you, what is your opinion? Do you believe that MS will subsidize a product that runs third-party stores? for example

Outside of the AMD partnership and OS mods, I'm pretty sure they are done with the subsidy model. Phil Spencer referenced Microsoft's historical roots of OEMs in discussing handhelds last year. That was simply a licensing model. That's where Xbox is now.

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Ok... HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 what did I say?
 
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Outside of the AMD partnership and OS mods, I'm pretty sure they are done with the subsidy model. Phil Spencer referenced Microsoft's historical roots of OEMs in discussing handhelds last year. That was simply a licensing model. That's where Xbox is now.

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Ok... HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 what did I say?
Isn't the OS subsidized for partners.
 
Yeah, but why would we trust that when she is part of the same company who said everything is an "Xbox". They ain't exactly strict with their definitions. Having said that, more reliable people (ironically) here have stated it is a traditional console.

You are right, and she literally communicates like an android. I guess she will just say whatever script has been programmed into her for that interview.
 
I don't see a future for Xbox. Why would I choose an Xbox branded pc? Why would a developer choose to develop for that? Yuck.
Sony and Nintendo won.
 
I don't see a future for Xbox. Why would I choose an Xbox branded pc? Why would a developer choose to develop for that? Yuck.
Sony and Nintendo won.

Most developers choose to develop for PC. They wouldn't need to develop for an "Xbox branded PC" specifically.
 
Most developers choose to develop for PC. They wouldn't need to develop for an "Xbox branded PC" specifically.
I'd imagine it'll be like Steam Deck where there would be developer presets for Xbox 'consoles'. Like optimized settings you can find in options.
 
We have a squirrel and multiple bird feeders too lol. I usually spend mornings on the weekends drinking coffee and watching them with the cats. They're glued to the window every morning.

Yeah I feed the squirrels and deer as well.

Love sitting out there listening to the water moving watching the critters eating

I am my father :)

I feel a little bit like a cliche, but I feed the squirrels in the park every morning. For many years, it was just squirrels, but in the past six months, cardinals have caught on. I have two of them greet me every morning - one male, one female. They have a very distinctive one-note, high chirp.

They're smart and can see very well - better than I can. Sometimes they'll be up in a tree and I'll hear them, but I can't see them in the branches. They'll sense that I can't see them, then fly down closer to me - to a lower branch, or sometimes they swoop in front of my view. Now they have taken to perching on the fence at the park entrance, waiting for their peanut. They see me getting out of my car, and here they come. I'm surprised they can tell one human from another. Cool little birds.
 
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I feel a little bit like a cliche, but I feed the squirrels in the park every morning. For many years, it was just squirrels, but in the past six months, cardinals have caught on. I have two of them greet me every morning - one male, one female. They have a very distinctive one-note, high chirp.

They're smart and can see very well - better than I can. Sometimes they'll be up in a tree and I'll hear them, but I can't see them in the branches. They'll sense that I can't see them, then fly down closer to me - to a lower branch, or sometimes they swoop in front of my view. Now they have taken to perching on the fence at the park entrance, waiting for their peanut. They see me getting out of my car, and here they come. I'm surprised they can tell one human from another. Cool little birds.
We used to do the same thing of going to a local park and feed critters and watch the Bald Eagles until we moved into the country

We had Aquascape build us a rec pond that is similar in size to this video with a smaller stream feeding it, only 10 foot long with 2 water falls

 
They were already doing a great job at making PS and Nintendo customers. Consolidating their dominance as the OS of choice in the PC space seems like a smart move in the long term. Making changes to their OS to make it more "consolish" may pay off down the road.
 
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Maybe you wouldn't be so angry if your tv wasn't too high up.
I'm not angry at all, just calling out some crazy cunts and all the discharge they spout. In fact I'm a very chilled person which helps with the high pressure job I have. Thanks for your "concern" though
 
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Not only would I like to continue my existing library going on future devices that get then-current games, but if it also masquerades as a decent PC launcher, I can finally put my 1060 laptop to rest.

Win win.
Like adamsapple adamsapple I'm primarily an Xbox gamer since the og Xbox with a vast library built on the platform.

This is also me but can finally retire my Alienware alpha r2 with my 1660 super which after upgrading the cpu is certainly still ok at playing games still, even though it's defiantly starting to get on a bit now.

The only thing I'd like to know is about the possibility of mod support for pc games as that's the main thing I love about pc gaming, if that's possible on this new Xbox pc I'm all in.
 
The doomsaying that Xbox PC is some final nail in the coffin seems to have missed the memo that the brand already conceded years ago. They're a multiplatform company now and everything is coming to PC, PS5/6 and Switch 2. "No red lines" etc. I don't understand how people still haven't taken this on board and are stuck in console warrior mode.

A lot of the freak outs which sound like "omg wtf are Microsoft doing!!" are funny to see, because they're still viewing MS hardware through the lens of it being directly competitive with Sony. People seem to either want the return of the 360 glory days or else want to see Microsoft's Sega moment where they bow out completely. But there are other reasons to keep hardware around, namely to try and prevent the bottom falling out for Game Pass subs (where most still reside on consoles).

Microsoft are now no more of a direct threat to Sony or Nintendo than Capcom, EA, Netflix, browsing Tik Tok, doomscrolling X, spending time with family, or gooning to hardcore porn. In other words, they aren't directly locking horns any more, but they are still in indirect competition for people's attention. Only Shawn Layden of ex-Sony fame apparently understands the importance of this.

As long as you're playing and spending money on Microsoft's games over other company's, so that Nadella has something positive to show shareholders at the end of the year, Microsoft couldn't give less of a shit where it came from.

As noted, the short term purpose of the new hardware is likely to try and maintain the Game Pass sub count. In the long term though, it's trying to remove the repellent stank of PC gaming for normies and make that platform more palatable à la what Steam Deck did. Microsoft are primarily a software company so it stands to reason that they want a software solution to that. All the news about new Xbox hardware just obfuscates what they're really doing: overhauling the Windows OS software to facilitate their longer term goals. We saw a preview of how they plan to do that in the Xbox Ally reveal.

Eventually Xbox PC will just be PC, but with a slick interface even retards can use. We'll probably get a few more generations of Microsoft making their own hardware, but ultimately it's just not going to matter because hardware manufacturing will be delegated to third parties in future. Their "this is an Xbox" messaging will start to make sense, shifting from awkwardly executed marketing campaign to an "Xbox Ready" sticker on the box informing the capabilities of what's inside (remember Intel Inside?).
 
In the last few days we were surprised by the announcement of a new line of products, the open Xboxes. Pessimism and cautious curiosity have been the thermometer of the discussions, semantics aside, it's clear to us that it is a PC with an 'Xbox' logo and design. This approach is not new to us, Valve did it in 2014 and some problems are unavoidable, such as the subsidy issue that weakens the price x performance balance compared to a traditional console and the lack of exclusive games.

The true test of fire for the Xbox brand was done in 2016 with Microsoft simultaneously launching its games on the Xbox One and PC. The result was incredible. It was confirmed that this has little influence because there is an audience that at the end of the day likes to play on a console, they are console guys, they only play on consoles
Before I conclude, I need to say the real problem with this model: it doesn't take into account the observation cited above the Xbox division's strategists are relying on pillars of sand and salt. They believe that the fact that a person has an Xbox account will keep them in their product base, and this is a naive mistake. People are free, and it won't be that amazing Xbox 360 games that will keep them on the platform automatically.

Therefore, we can assure with some degree of confidence that the transfer of people who are currently Xbox consumers to other consoles will accelerate. I can't see audience, you know, those who want a PC will opt for a traditional PC, and those who want a traditional console will migrate to the PS6, Switch 2.
And you, do you believe that the next Xbox will accelerate the transfer of consumers to other consoles?

PC's large APUs such as AMD's Strix Halo made the specialized "Xbox" SKU redundant. A certain fruit company made SoC (Pro, Max, Ultra) with a large iGPU fashionable in the PC market.
 
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Here's an analogy to ponder. It's not very simplified, but iit still carries some meaning.

The PlayStation 6 and Switch 2 are $450 to $700 dvd players. The games cost $70 or $80 a piece.

Xbox Gamepass is Netflix and plays on countless devices and costs $20 a month with a large library of popular games. If you want the Xbox console, it's an add on and they will happily sell you one.

Which do you think sounds more successful in the long run?
 
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