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PlayStation Network Thread | October 2015
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sturgboski
Member
Same people responsible for BL2 on Vita?
Did you download the update ? I'm pretty sure had some frame dips here and there but overall actually it is really stable . maybe it's because I play this game while in plane mode. But I'm pretty sure it never reaches the lows of 15 or 20 is more like 25, 30. If you compare it to the console version sure it runs at a lower framerate . but its really playable and framerate is not actually the problem.. The sound is another story thou.
BL 2 reaches 15 or 20 when the screen is really busy.
Idk I feel people nowadays overexagerate some things today and keep looking console experience in portable devices.
Seems you guys didn't play jak n daxter on Vita now that's a really shameful release.
Well I actually have Jak and Daxter and I finished all 3 games on Vita.
Problem I have here is that Vita could handle better graphics and better fps. The port isn't bad because of the limitations of the hardware, Sony just found the cheapest company to port it and didn't care about the rest.
I'm just disappointed to see Sony doing the same mistakes over and over again.
/rant off
Where are your Vita games, NISA? Seriously, I'm going to be so pissed if I won't see Operation Babel, Stranger of the Sword City, Night Watch or Hero Must Die in 2016.
EricTheCleric
Member
No season pass for Fallout 4 yet, even though it is available on PC and Xbox One.
Does anyone know when it will be available for preorder on PSN?
Does anyone know when it will be available for preorder on PSN?
mellan_Konsten
Member
How do you know that it's not because of the hardware limitations (i.e lack of RAM). Have you read any of the articles out there where people are describing their problems with porting games to the Vita.
As I see it it's crazy how Iron Galaxy managed to get BL2 to run at all on the limited specs of the Vita.
How do you know that the vita can handle better gfx and framerate (are you a programmer with experience from Vita development)?
Fair enough. But I think revelations 2 its actually a good port more if you compare it to jak n daxter.
teflontactics
Member
As a computer tech with vast hardware and software tear-down experience, I can assure you it'll run anything currently ported at 30fps with proper coding. The problem is with how they port the games, engine availability (and quality due to bad coding), time taken to code (usually limited by money), and coding ability.
Well a game consists of two things. Logics and Graphics. Developers have to balance out both in order to achieve the required framerate. So in order to port a game the first thing that is ported is the logic. This is the base of how the game plays. Next comes graphics. So the device should be able to push the logic of the game with the required graphics at 30fps. This requires optimization. First thing to usually go are the graphics cause nobody wants to touch the gameplay. This is what is happening with Vita games. The reason RE:R2 runs so poorly and non native res is that Vita is not powerful enough to push that game logic and those graphics. Now the game could had been further downgraded. There is still a lot of extra detail that could had been simplified in order to run better.
Now they could had also simplified the logic of the game. This requires expertise (Bluepoint comes to mind), Is expensive and requires loads of smart coding and time, Not every developer is able to do it.
Borderlands 2 still looked good. The game should had been downgraded further in order to reach the required frame rate (perhaps let go of pixelshading outlines)
YianGaruga
Banned
Well its not like he didn't try and its not like SE is ignoring the Vita. The Type-0 salt was overflowing due to how SE was ignoring the vita even after really good sales of FFX-HD.
Remember when SE promised FFXII hd if FFX hd sold well enough?
Type 0 is running good on my vita , no it not remote play from PS4 , its the PSP game it self
i just need to adjust the second analog stick to use it as camera
FriedConsole
Banned
Dynamite Fishing - World Games PS4 - Phone port of game that was probably pretty boring on a phone made more boring on PS4. Doing nothing but blowing up fish was fun for about 10 seconds. Nope.
Onigirl PS4 - I am not a MMORPG expert but I am pretty sure this is total crap. The tutorial is like 2 minutes of here is the attack button with no explanation of anything else. Obvious PC port with a terrible interface. Nauseating slide show performance with ugly everything. Hell no.
Rally Copters Vita - This game is simple racing around a track but the unique helicopter feel makes it unique. Very RC Motorstorm. Fun to get better times. Could use more levels. Runs well on Vita. Pricey at $13. Get it when it goes on sale.
Give SE time, they are probably doing another FFXV demo to bundle the game with so they can sell it for 70.
Fixed
Fixed
Man if you're right. Type 0 sold so much just because FFXV demo was here, just imagine wha a VIIR demo could do with XII.
YianGaruga
Banned
Type 0 didn't sell much
Kresnik258
Member
I've been saying this in the thread as well. It's seriously weird they have nothing else announced for 2016.
It sucks too. I normally rely on them to pad out my Vita buying schedule.
Sometimes I wonder if it would had done better on the Vita at 40$ pricepoint?
Dagobert Duck
Member
Sorry if I'm stupid but didnt Sony announced a price cut for JP and NA? Was something announced for EU too? Did I just miss the news?
Would probably sell more on the Vita than it did on the X1.
That goes without saying. X|X-2 HD Remaster sold more on Vita in the US than Type-0 HD on XB1 in the US.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Argh, what is this garbage?
Recently got a new 64gb card, and now I'm trying to download stuff and I keep getting error np-9978-3.
Recently got a new 64gb card, and now I'm trying to download stuff and I keep getting error np-9978-3.
YianGaruga
Banned
For everything? That's apparently an error connected to licenses ort system activations.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
How do I fix it?
I've just recently transferred stuff to a new memory card if that helps.
mellan_Konsten
Member
I agree on your point that a lot of it has to do with how well documented or supported the engines are, but the lazy/low skilled programmers argument to me sound like pure speculations.
Thank you for some great reading. Couldn't one of the problems with porting be that you, before you even started the project, have a finished product made for hardware with higher specs in mind. What I'm trying to say is that instead of having to solve every problem in a chronological order at the time of creation you are limited to work on an already finished code that isn't even yours to begin with.
I fully agree that the black contours feels unnecessary for the Vita version and at the same time I fully understand their decision. I'm not sure how the contours in BL2 are made but if I'd guess I'd say that it's made by creating a simplified black mesh that is a little bigger than the textured object/enemy and that uses back face culling and inverted normals (so the only thing you see are the inside of that object). If it in fact work like this that should require at least some added computation for each object.
What I dont realy understand though, that you might now, is why so many games have crappy animations (not talking about soft body physics), is animation really that demanding?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Try animating shit by hand. You should have your answer pretty fast.
teflontactics
Member
So you're saying that if they had given Resident Evil: Revelations 2 or Borderlands 2 to Guerrilla Cambridge for the same amount of time they couldn't have made it work better?
I highly doubt that.
The level of coding ability the programmers have is a huge factor in all Vita projects. Anyone can muddle through and code a game (you saw PSMobile, right?), not everyone codes efficiently or elegantly with regards to resources.
Of course talent comes into play, but the main difference here is budget. Guerrilla Cambridge didn't make a wonderful game just because they're talented, they also had a team of 60 people working on it for more than 3 years. The problem with most Vita projects is that this kind of budget is just not doable, you're guaranteed to lose money if you spend that much.
Acquiescence
Member
No PSN sale today?
StarCreator
Member
PS Mobile games by definition can't perform as well as games that use the native API. Nothing to do with the programmer's abilities.
teflontactics
Member
You get what you pay for, talent included
I'm not saying it wouldn't be more expensive for someone else (better) to port these games, just that all these games with issues could have run well if properly coded - they weren't, so they suffer.
Has nothing to do with the power of the Vita, other than more resource overhead would make it easier for sloppy coders to put out fully working products.
I just meant a lot of PSMobile games are coded by first time coders who are bad at it and still get their game to "work", ie; anyone can code a game.
My Vita isn't coming out of sleep mode properly when left overnight (it seems fine if I return to it within the hour), when I hit power the blue light comes on but nothing else happens.
This has only started happening since the last update, is that a coincidence, a known problem prior to the update or is my Vita on the way out?
(Sorry if this is in the wrong place but since the Vita thread has gone this seemed the best place to ask).
This has only started happening since the last update, is that a coincidence, a known problem prior to the update or is my Vita on the way out?
(Sorry if this is in the wrong place but since the Vita thread has gone this seemed the best place to ask).
teflontactics
Member
Haven't heard about anything like this being a common occurrence, however a hard reset and a database repair go a long way with most software issues.
If it persists after both of those, it might be hardware-related.
With limited time and budget even the best coders in the world would have a hard time in some situations. EA DICE has some of the most talented programmers in the industry and they still put out terrible ports for Battlefield 4 on PS4 and Xbox One.
The problem with Vita is that it's much less powerful than some of the platforms it gets ports from, so the feasibility of those projects depends highly on the original codebase as well as time and money available.
I wouldn't call people working on these games "sloppy" when the number of variables involved is unfamiliar to anyone outside the project. Judge games and products, don't judge the people involved from a position of ignorance.
I would say this is a simple case of you get what you pay for! Had bluepoint been hired I dare you that RE:R2 port would had run like smooth butter.
Hell they ported Flower to Vita. A game that was a graphical showcase on PS3. The game ran awesome and looks good (although not native res)
mellan_Konsten
Member
I'm playing, and liking, Ar Nosurge at the moment and it doesn't seem to use keyframing at all during the conversation parts. This is ok but there are games out there that almost feels like they see "gimble lock" as an effect to enhance the animation
Guerilla camebridge are awesome and I really like KZ:M but they built a smaller killzone with their own engine. I doubt they'd manage to make a flawless KZ2 or 3 port for the Vita.
For all I know We don't know if nihilistic had bad programmers, the only thing we know is that they made 2 sub par games in a really short time.
On another topic look at the gameplay in the order 1886, as I see it it's no coincidence that they managed to make the game stunningly beautiful as they are used to working on limited specs(PSP). Neither is it that surprising to see them make the game a little to simplistic when it comes to the gameplay and systems. This is not because their programmers lack of skill but because they're used to create games on simpler hardware.
I imagine porting to be the hardest thing to do in game programming.
RE revolution 2 might have run better if they made the engine for the Vita, from what I've read the first game looked and ran perfectly fine on the 3ds. Maybe online MP is to blame?
This.
mellan_Konsten
Member
Wasn't that football manager?
I mean I'm no expert in that case but like others have said I know that talent and the size of the developer makes a whole lot of difference. On top of that we have some games to compare it to; Uncharted: GA, Killzone: Mercenary, DR: Another Episode, Toukiden all looks great and plays great. While these are not ports it goes to show that Vita definitely can handle games with better graphics and fps.
YianGaruga
Banned
You need to restart the Vita (or wait a long time) for the downloads to appear.