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Playstation Plus Thread 2: How do I hold all these games?
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Good post. I'd also like to add that it is ok for people to have different opinions, no need to attack them for their different views. I've noticed hostility against anyone not a fan of Plus' new direction.
Yeah, they were my favourite too.
toythatkills
Member
I think the hostility is because people are just in some sort of weird denial about what PS+ is. Did you not read my previous post? There hasn't been a change in direction. PS+ has always been focussed on "indie" games and games which were released as digital downloads. Here's a list of every single (NA) PS+ game that has been released on PS3. Sorry for the formatting, Wikipedia, can't be bothered to fix it.
1 Wipeout HD June 29, 2010 July 27, 2010 [1]
2 Critter Crunch July 27, 2010 August 24, 2010 [2]
3 Mushroom Wars August 24, 2010 September 21, 2010 [3]
4 Zen Pinball September 21, 2010 October 19, 2010 [4]
5 Burn Zombie Burn October 19, 2010 November 16, 2010 [5]
6 Shatter November 16, 2010 December 14, 2010 [6]
7 Sackboy's Prehistoric Moves December 7, 2010 [7]
8 Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse (episodes 1–5) December 14, 2010 January 18, 2011
9 Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West January 4, 2011 February 1, 2011 [8]
10 Digger HD February 1, 2011 March 1, 2011 [9]
11 Stacking February 8, 2011 [10]
12 Sonic the Hedgehog March 1, 2011 April 5, 2011 [11]
13 Comet Crash March 29, 2011 June 7, 2011 [12]
14 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 April 5, 2011 [13]
15 Magic: The Gathering – Duels of the Planeswalkers June 7, 2011 July 5, 2011 [14]
16 Streets of Rage 2 June 28, 2011 July 12, 2011 [15]
17 Bomberman Ultra July 5, 2011 August 2, 2011
18 Golden Axe July 12, 2011 August 9, 2011 [16]
19 Crash Commando August 2, 2011 [17]
20 Comix Zone August 9, 2011 [18]
21 Altered Beast September 6, 2011 [19]
22 Astro Tripper
23 Plants vs. Zombies
24 Costume Quest October 4, 2011 [20]
25 Elemental Monster
26 Dead Nation October 18, 2011 [21]
27 Hydrophobia: Prophecy November 1, 2011 [22]
28 Tomb Raider: Underworld December 6, 2011 [23]
29 Marvel Pinball December 13, 2011
30 Back to the Future: The Game (episodes 1–5) January 3, 2012 [24]
31 Swords & Soldiers
32 Inferno Pool February 7, 2012 [25]
33 The Simpsons Arcade Game
34 Battle Fantasia February 14, 2012
35 Far Cry 2
36 Fatal Inertia EX
37 Hamsterball
38 Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
39 Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle-Cars
40 Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus March 6, 2012 [26]
41 Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
42 Shank 2 April 3, 2012 [27]
43 Shift 2: Unleashed
44 Frogger Returns April 17, 2012
45 Awesomenauts May 1, 2012 [28]
46 Trine 2
47 Rock of Ages May 15, 2012
48 Choplifter HD June 5, 2012 [29]
49 Hard Corps: Uprising
50 Just Cause 2
51 Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light
52 Saints Row 2
53 Sideway: New York
54 Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown
55 Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
56 Zombie Apocalypse: Never Die Alone
57 InFamous 2 June 11, 2013
58 LittleBigPlanet 2
59 Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
60 Gotham City Impostors July 3, 2012 [30]
61 Pac-Man Championship Edition DX
62 Renegade Ops
63 The Walking Dead (episodes 1&2) August 7, 2012 [31]
64 BloodRayne: Betrayal August 14, 2012 [32]
65 Outland
66 Borderlands September 4, 2012 [33]
67 Double Dragon Neon September 11, 2012 [34]
68 Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game
69 Starhawk (single player) September 25, 2012 [35]
70 NFL Blitz October 2, 2012 [36]
71 The King of Fighters XIII October 9, 2012 [37]
72 Payday: The Heist October 16, 2012 [38]
73 Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition November 6, 2012 [39]
74 Quantum Conundrum November 13, 2012 March 12, 2013 [40]
75 Dungeon Defenders November 20, 2012 [41]
76 BioShock 2 December 4, 2012 [42]
77 Rochard December 11, 2012 [43]
78 Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition April 9, 2013
79 Anomaly: Warzone Earth December 18, 2012 April 16, 2013 [44]
80 Retro City Rampage (cross-buy) December 24, 2012 [45]
81 NBA Jam: On Fire Edition December 31, 2012 [46]
82 Mega Man 9 January 8, 2013 May 14, 2013 [47]
83 Mega Man 10
84 Darksiders January 15, 2013 May 21, 2013 [48]
85 Foosball 2012 (cross-buy) January 22, 2013 March 19, 2013 [49]
86 Guardians of Middle-earth February 5, 2013 March 5, 2013 [50]
87 Closure February 12, 2013 June 11, 2013 [51]
88 Vanquish February 19, 2013 June 25, 2013 [52]
89 Spec Ops: The Line March 5, 2013 April 2, 2013 [53]
90 Joe Danger 2: The Movie March 12, 2013 July 9, 2013 [54]
91 The Cave March 19, 2013 July 16, 2013 [55]
92 Demon's Souls April 2, 2013 May 7, 2013 [56]
93 Labyrinth Legends April 9, 2013 August 13, 2013 [57]
94 Malicious April 16, 2013 August 20, 2013 [58]
95 Zombie Tycoon II: Brainhov's Revenge (cross-buy) April 30, 2013 May 28, 2013 [59]
96 Sleeping Dogs May 7, 2013 June 4, 2013 [60]
97 Knytt Underground (cross-buy) May 14, 2013 September 10, 2013 [61]
98 The Pinball Arcade (cross-buy) May 21, 2013 September 17, 2013 [62]
99 Deus Ex: Human Revolution June 4, 2013 July 2, 2013 [63]
100 Machinarium June 11, 2013 October 8, 2013 [64]
101 LittleBigPlanet Karting June 3, 2014
102 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (single player)
103 XCOM: Enemy Unknown June 10, 2014
104 Saints Row: The Third June 18, 2013 October 15, 2013 [65]
105 Battlefield 3 July 2, 2013 August 6, 2013 [66]
106 Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee HD July 9, 2013 November 12, 2013 [67]
107 Jet Set Radio July 16, 2013 November 19, 2013 [68]
108 Hitman: Absolution August 6, 2013 September 3, 2013 [69]
109 Bit.Trip Presents... Runner2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien August 13, 2013 December 10, 2013 [70]
110 Zen Pinball 2: Star Wars Pinball (cross-buy) August 20, 2013 December 17, 2013 [71]
111 Resident Evil: Chronicles HD Collection September 3, 2013 October 1, 2013 [72]
112 Galaga Legions DX September 10, 2013 January 14, 2014 [73]
113 Ico September 17, 2013 January 21, 2014 [74]
114 Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning October 1, 2013 November 5, 2013 [75]
115 Shadow of the Colossus October 8, 2013 February 11, 2014 [76]
116 Poker Night 2 October 15, 2013 February 18, 2014 [77]
117 Hotline Miami (cross-buy) October 22, 2013 December 24, 2013 [78]
118 Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen November 5, 2013 December 3, 2013 [79]
119 Ibb and Obb November 12, 2013 March 13, 2014 [80]
120 Binary Domain November 19, 2013 March 18, 2014 [81]
121 Grid 2 December 3, 2013 January 7, 2014 [82]
122 Borderlands 2 December 10, 2013 April 8, 2014 [83]
123 Dyad December 17, 2013 April 15, 2014 [84]
124 DmC: Devil May Cry January 7, 2014 February 4, 2014 [85]
125 BioShock Infinite January 14, 2014 May 13, 2014 [86]
126 Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons January 21, 2014 May 20, 2014 [87]
127 Metro: Last Light February 4, 2014 March 4, 2014 [88]
128 Payday 2 February 11, 2014 June 10, 2014 [89]
129 Remember Me February 18, 2014 June 17, 2014 [90]
130 Tomb Raider March 4, 2014 April 1, 2014 [91]
131 Lone Survivor: The Director's Cut (cross-buy) March 13, 2014 June 10, 2014 [92]
132 Thomas Was Alone (cross-buy) March 18, 2014 June 17, 2014 [93]
133 Batman: Arkham City April 1, 2014 May 6, 2014 [94]
134 Stealth Inc: A Clone in the Dark (cross-buy) April 8, 2014 June 10, 2014 [95]
135 Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse April 15, 2014 June 17, 2014 [96]
136 Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 May 6, 2014 June 3, 2014 [97]
137 Skullgirls Encore May 13, 2014 June 10, 2014 [98]
138 Puppeteer May 20, 2014 June 17, 2014 [99]
139 NBA 2K14 June 3, 2014 July 1, 2014 [100]
140 Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (cross-buy) June 10, 2014 [101]
141 Mutant Mudds Deluxe (cross-buy) June 24, 2014 [102]
142 Dead Space 3 July 1, 2014 August 5, 2014 [103]
143 Doki-Doki Universe (cross-buy)
144 Vessel
145 Crysis 3 August 5, 2014 September 2, 2014 [104]
146 Dragon's Crown (cross-buy)
147 Fez (cross-buy)
148 Proteus (cross-buy)
149 Hoard September 2, 2014 October 7, 2014 [105]
150 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (cross-buy)
151 Sportsfriends (cross-buy)
152 Batman: Arkham Asylum October 7, 2014 November 4, 2014 [106]
153 Dungeons & Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara
154 Rainbow Moon (cross-buy)
155 Spelunky (cross-buy)
156 Frozen Synapse Prime November 4, 2014 December 2, 2014 [107]
157 Luftrausers (cross-buy)
158 Deadly Premonition: The Director's Cut December 2, 2014 January 6, 2015 [108]
159 Hitman HD Trilogy
160 Titan Attacks (cross-buy)
161 DuckTales: Remastered January 6, 2015 February 3, 2015 [109]
162 Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition (cross-buy)
163 Prototype 2
164 The Swapper (cross-buy)
165 Rogue Legacy (cross-buy) February 3, 2015 March 3, 2015 [110]
166 Thief
167 Yakuza 4
168 CounterSpy (cross-buy) March 3, 2015 April 7, 2015 [111]
169 Papo & Yo
170 Sherlock Holmes: Crimes & Punishments
171 Aaru's Awakening (cross-buy) April 7, 2015 May 5, 2015 [112]
172 Dishonored
173 Tower of Guns (cross-buy)
174 Hohokum (cross-buy) May 5, 2015 June 2, 2015 [113]
175 The Unfinished Swan (cross-buy)
176 Race the Sun (cross-buy)
177 Call of Juarez: Gunslinger June 2, 2015 July 7, 2015 [114]
178 Cloudberry Kingdom
179 MouseCraft (cross-buy) July 7, 2015 August 4, 2015 [115]
180 Entwined (cross-buy)
181 Rain
182 Stealth Inc. 2: A Game of Clones (cross-buy) August 4, 2015 [116]
183 Sound Shapes (cross-buy)
184 CastleStorm (cross-buy)
185 God of War: Ascension
I've bolded all the retail games. There are probably a couple of mistakes because I'm doing it from memory but I'm sure I've caught pretty much everything.
As you can see, PS+ has ALWAYS been focussed on smaller downloadable titles, for the entire five years of its existence and especially at the start. There's one period of about 8-9 months between games 100 and 130 where the service had more retail games than usual, and people are acting as though this period is representative of the entire of the history of PS+ and it simply is not.
If Sony were to suddenly offer loads of retail titles, that would be a change of direction. At the moment it's continuing precisely as it almost always has done. So yeah, if I show hostility it's only because people refuse to accept what PS+ is and keep arguing that it's something it's not, and it's frustrating. It's not about peoples having different opinions, it's about people flagrantly ignoring facts because they don't suit their "opinion."
Nah, Plus went on a like 2 1/2 year run post the E3 2012 Revamp of at least (and often more) 1 AAA/retail per month (and they were often games under a year old). I think that's what people want it to return to and what they mean when they say it used to be better, as this is when most joined (pre ps4). The PS4 switch over was rough. Not only as it became mandatory for MP, but it wasnt/isnt getting the same types of titles as PS3 had got. Obviously it's harder now as PS4 is/was still in its early days, but that knowledge doesn't magically make people enjoy the service as much as they used to and people are getting impatient 1 1/2 years in.
But anyway, this doesn't even matter. You shouldn't let other peoples views get you down so much. Some people think think Plus used to be better, some people don't. Who cares? ¯\_(ツ
_/¯GreyOcelot
Member
People don't want more than that, they want some more AAA offerings than there have been recently. That's not whining. It's paying consumers informing the provider of what kind of content they want from the service.
My Plus is set to expire on the 25th. I don't really play online all that much, or at all really. Haven't utilized online multiplayer since a couple weeks into Destiny last September (opted for my Xbox One friends instead). I'm genuinely contemplating not renewing it, as even the free game offering hasn't garnered any playtime from me.
If I could find a good deal on a year subscription, I'd probably bite again, but for $50 I'm much less inclined. Any good hidden plus features I've somehow been taking for granted?
If I could find a good deal on a year subscription, I'd probably bite again, but for $50 I'm much less inclined. Any good hidden plus features I've somehow been taking for granted?
Icyflamez96
Member
I played Sound Shapes before and it was a neat concept and worth playing I thought, but the platforming mechanics themselves were largely boring.
Excited to see what Stealth Inc 2 has in store for me considering I liked the first one.
Excited to see what Stealth Inc 2 has in store for me considering I liked the first one.
It was on PS+ a few months ago, did you download or tag it then? I don't think it's free right now.
Hmmm I should have but for some reason both the ps3 and ps4 version were marked as free and I was able to add both and checkout. The ps3 one should have shown up as Purchased right?
The release of Rocket League, current game of the year.
SolidusDave
Member
Just wanted to check in to confirm that this indeed allows you to get those two pinball tables also on the PS4 version of ZP2
Yeah and yet from june 2012 to april 2014, 21 months, on PS3 Sony offered 37 retail games and from november 2013 to August 2015, 21 months, on ps4 Sony offered 1 retail game.
Quite the same isn't it ? It seems that it's more focussed than ever on smaller downloadable titles...
By the way, Who decided that ps+ was for discovering titles that you wouldn't have played otherwise ?
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Why are you conveniently ignoring all the retail games Sony have given away on PS3 during this time? It's simply not as viable to do so for PS4 because the library is limited, the console is so new and third party titles on PS4 likely cost a lot more for Sony to get on the service for this reason.
That's some nice cherrypicking here.
At least get the numbers right. We've got 4 retail games on ps4: Lara, Injustice, inFamous and GZ.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
To be fair Lara Croft is in reality a download only title that happened to have a retail release as well. It was still a budget title. Infamous was just the expansion/DLC not the proper game, and GZ is a glorified demo that only got an overpriced retail release to get a little extra money from their fans.
He just talked about retail games though.
Ted
Member
Whilst available at B&M retail I'm not sure either Infamous or Ground Zeroes are entirely fair inclusions; the former is stand alone DLC, the latter is a short prologue. I've played and beaten both and enjoyed them immensely but neither is much more than a taster for the full experience... "coming soon" or "available now on Playstation".
That said, and on topic, at least with the current swing of conversation, I enjoy the lower budget games we've been getting on PS+ for PS4 but would also be keen to see some bigger budget games get added as the library begins to mature. I can see the point 1er tigre is making and don't think it is invalid as an opinion.
I don't tend to buy many games at all, either AAA or - for want of a better term - Indie, and despite being a GAF member I don't really follow the gaming news very much outside of a select few old friends. The joy of PS+ for me has always been about discovering cool games and franchises I hadn't played before or had missed the first time round. Some of these may be AAA some of these may be smaller, but either way I'm not interested in just one type or the other being the mainstay of PS+, I want variation and I want diversity and that means some indie, some AAA, some new, some old, some art house, some shoot bang, some thoughtful, some dumb, some more mature, some for the kids...
Y'know? A little something for everyone.
I'd also be keen to see an additional PS+ tier that is cheaper, forgoes the monthly games, is just a sub for online multiplayer and has proper and explicit service level promises with regards to network up time, security and speed.
That said, and on topic, at least with the current swing of conversation, I enjoy the lower budget games we've been getting on PS+ for PS4 but would also be keen to see some bigger budget games get added as the library begins to mature. I can see the point 1er tigre is making and don't think it is invalid as an opinion.
I don't tend to buy many games at all, either AAA or - for want of a better term - Indie, and despite being a GAF member I don't really follow the gaming news very much outside of a select few old friends. The joy of PS+ for me has always been about discovering cool games and franchises I hadn't played before or had missed the first time round. Some of these may be AAA some of these may be smaller, but either way I'm not interested in just one type or the other being the mainstay of PS+, I want variation and I want diversity and that means some indie, some AAA, some new, some old, some art house, some shoot bang, some thoughtful, some dumb, some more mature, some for the kids...
Y'know? A little something for everyone.
I'd also be keen to see an additional PS+ tier that is cheaper, forgoes the monthly games, is just a sub for online multiplayer and has proper and explicit service level promises with regards to network up time, security and speed.
toythatkills
Member
"Let's compare two totally different things!!!"
There have been 27 retail games since the PS4 released, and another on PS4 if you want to count it which makes 28.
It's fewer, but hardly drastically fewer is it? It's hardly "OH MY GOD CHANGE OF DIRECTION" fewer, is it? And like I said, that period you cherrypicked was an anomaly anyway, it's not representative of the history of PS+ like you so desire it to be. So again:
Ted
Member
Is it really "flagrantly ignoring facts"? Even your own list has a noticeable retail/AAA increase through say #70 to #160 and then an equivalent decrease in numbers to the latest releases.
The reasons for this are definitely possible to explain away in the context of the console, console family and service life cycle but I can totally see why the perception of the services value may have changed for someone who has either been a member from the start or joined during the AAA heavy period.
toythatkills
Member
That list includes all the cross-buy titles as well, so stuff that was released on PS4 and Vita but happened to work on PS3 is included. And this happens more since the PS4 was released, and only happens for indie games and not retail games, so recently the PS3 list appears more indie-focussed than it actually is. It's still a decent percentage, but retail games are more dominant than it looks on first glance.
Like I said, numbers-wise there's been a slight decrease in retail PS3 games over the two 21-month periods that guy chose to compare, but not a significant one. Especially when you consider he chose the 21-month period with the highest incidence of retail games to compare against the most recent 21 months.
Does this mean the EU/US are going to split offerings again?
toythatkills
Member
I assume there'll only be one result, there's nothing to suggest otherwise.
Also, ARMELLO.
YianGaruga
Banned
I'm only interested in Armello so I'm pretty sure it won't win
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
It's a terrible idea and this will be confirmed if and when Grow Home doesn't win the vote by a landslide.
Ok just continue to ignore the facts. Let's pretend that giving dishonored ( a 2012 game) in 2015 is equivalent to giving arkham city (2011 game), vanquish ( 2011 game) and limbo (2011 game) the same month in 2012.
Let's pretend that giving limbo now on ps4 has the same impact as giving it back in 2012.
Let's pretend that it's impossible to give "Big games" because the console is only two years old whereas we used to get "big games" which were one year old.
Let's pretend that the amount of cross buy titles didn't increased.
These kind of exemple are legions.
Let's pretend that giving limbo now on ps4 has the same impact as giving it back in 2012.
Let's pretend that it's impossible to give "Big games" because the console is only two years old whereas we used to get "big games" which were one year old.
Let's pretend that the amount of cross buy titles didn't increased.
These kind of exemple are legions.
I want to play!
Let's pretend that Rocket League is not a big game.
Let's pretend that getting brand new (2015), high-rated games monthly (in 2015) is not remarkable.
Let's pretend that getting cross-buy titles is NOT a good thing, somehow.
Let's pretend that some of the highest rated PS4 games of the past year and half were not given on PS+. Day One.
Sure, let's play.
it's not. But even if it was, it's one game in 8 months. Wow.
Monthly ? Lol. Besides rocket league and olliolli2 what are the brand new high rated games you are talking about ?
when you got less games due to that, yes.
Can you be more precise ?
You get 72 games each year if you don't count cross-buy titles separately. That amount was never higher. What year was higher?
I made a counting few pages before.
toythatkills
Member
I'm not convinced you're a very reliable source.
Yes. For 2014. 2015 is 72 separate games.
Guacamelee SPTC
Binding of Isaac Rebirth
Resogun
Outlast
Don't Starve
Velocity 2X
Fez
Towerfall Ascension
The Swapper
Rogue Legacy
Oddworld New 'N Tasty
OlliOlli2
Rocket League
Sportsfriends
Spelunky
Transistor
Pix The Cat
All top-rated, 80+, averaging about one a month over the past year and a half. Games in bold were day one on PS+.
The service averages around 1 top-rated game per month -- even considering only PS4.
Best of all, with variety, freshness, and a healthy dose of day one, brand new games.
You counted wrong.
YianGaruga
Banned
I like you guys, but in the non-update weeks this is probably one of the worst threads on GAF.
In other news, I started playing Knack.
It's a videogame. That's really all I can say about it right now.
In other news, I started playing Knack.
It's a videogame. That's really all I can say about it right now.
Claiming this is one of the worst threads on GAF.
Just mention Knack, it wont make things worse.
StaffyManasse
Member
Was thinking the same earlier, but didn't post about it.
It is beautiful how this toxic wasteland of a thread blooms for a few days when everyone is in waiting for the next month's offerings, just to die again in a cataclysm of
This has to be a troll attempt.
I'm from the Netherlands and I got an email with the same 3 games to choose from.
Do the count yourself. I'm tired of being the only one looking for figures.
Like I said There were 77 games downloadable via ps+ in 2013 and in 2014 There were 89 games downloadable. But in 2013 only 12 were cross-buy and in 2014... 41 of them were cross-buy.
For 2015 we will see at the end of the year.
Here's a solid list for NA that sadly ends in January of this year.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ohAjveInF7jeq0S0wV2MneUxhkS22BFKIuoweeW0trc/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ohAjveInF7jeq0S0wV2MneUxhkS22BFKIuoweeW0trc/edit#gid=0
The point was another one though. You said that crossbuy makes you get less games and that's plain impossible.
toythatkills
Member
Ahaha.
I know where the 77 number is coming from, it is wrong. Aside from the cross-buy games, you are counting the replacement games. The 72 I'm mentioning is also already unique games, not including cross-buy versions.
If you want to count including cross-buy versions: we're at 48 unique games at the moment. If I count the extra cross-buy versions, I get another 33 games. That makes 81 games already, in August, with four months to go.