So basically the same as Ty4on...Okay then.
In regards to El Topo, I don't know either way unless vig clarifies, but he was in contention day 1, also was related to Star/Sophia
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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In regards to El Topo, I don't know either way unless vig clarifies, but he was in contention day 1, also was related to Star/Sophia
Blargonaut
Banned
Ty makes more sense for a scum kill than Topo. More trusted and didn't Topo say his trainer takes powers? So he's be basically an ordinary townie at that point. Seems more like a neutral (or I guess vig) kill.
How could you know this? You haven't seen Topo's win condition.
Your win condition is (supposedly) town win + biggest team.
A caught Pokemon would have to be original team win + biggest team, otherwise all trainers and Pokemon are town.
Why do you think TGD would be NK'd? He does more harm to town than scum and is very likely to be lynched. He's literally the last person I'd NK if I were scum.
So Goddamn is the trainer, eh? That actually makes sense if you look at how many of his posts were about mechanics, which was actually a reason I slightly scum read him. However, I lean to following Ferret's plan. He could act as a Pokemon-checker which depending on if/how many non-town roles are not Pokemon could be very useful. If that is the case, he will probably be NK pretty soon by scum to prevent that. If he keeps surviving and capturing pokemon with PR we can always lynch him later to free those PR and make sure he isn't scum. If he is scum, he also can't actively block against town since that would out him as scum and just get himself lynched earlier. I don't think it is a bad idea to keep him around a bit longer to see what information that gives us and if scum kills him or not.
However, that brings up the question who to lynch instead? And for that:
vote: Blargonaut
He has been high on my scum list since day 1, and I find his actions today to be REALLY suspect. Not only did he potentially out Nin as a PR without actually scum reading him as far as I know, he also tried his damnest to paint Ynnek as the Topo-trainer, which at that point, if believed, would have been a death sentence for Ynnek. This seems like a scum trying to see if he can profit from the Topo-trainer goose hunt by trying to push the narrative Ynnek is the Topo-trainer. Consequently, a Blarg lynch would also shed some light on Ynnek. I slightly scum read him now, but if Blarg flips scum, I would feel pretty good about him since I doubt a scum Blarg would paint a target like this on his scum buddy.
Why did you decide to vote on TheGoddamn? Are you no longer convinced he is town?
However, that brings up the question who to lynch instead? And for that:
vote: Blargonaut
He has been high on my scum list since day 1, and I find his actions today to be REALLY suspect. Not only did he potentially out Nin as a PR without actually scum reading him as far as I know, he also tried his damnest to paint Ynnek as the Topo-trainer, which at that point, if believed, would have been a death sentence for Ynnek. This seems like a scum trying to see if he can profit from the Topo-trainer goose hunt by trying to push the narrative Ynnek is the Topo-trainer. Consequently, a Blarg lynch would also shed some light on Ynnek. I slightly scum read him now, but if Blarg flips scum, I would feel pretty good about him since I doubt a scum Blarg would paint a target like this on his scum buddy.
Why did you decide to vote on TheGoddamn? Are you no longer convinced he is town?
I'm mostly down with Blarg's plan, but a couple of points.
1) We don't know if the vig would be blocked as soon as tonight. My guess (based on nothing) is that captures happen after tonight's actions, so vig kills GD and then does or doesn't get caught based on how Burb resolves things. Since this results in G's death I'm ok with it.
2) I don't know if this is worth a vig shot, especially if it's limited. It also ties up our doctor for the rest of the game and exposes him if there's a scum watcher.
Is that worth it? That's quite a lot of cost for a shitty role.
3) I'm never satisfied.
1) We don't know if the vig would be blocked as soon as tonight. My guess (based on nothing) is that captures happen after tonight's actions, so vig kills GD and then does or doesn't get caught based on how Burb resolves things. Since this results in G's death I'm ok with it.
2) I don't know if this is worth a vig shot, especially if it's limited. It also ties up our doctor for the rest of the game and exposes him if there's a scum watcher.
Is that worth it? That's quite a lot of cost for a shitty role.
3) I'm never satisfied.
Reading only Day 3 took way too long for me and it isn't even particularly long.
Anyway, notes:
Splinter lied about being a veteran and talks about 2 obvious targets (and lucky scum?).
Roy pointing at misinfo from Topo? He continues to argue against lynching Soph even if she's neutral (neutral theory by cm).
Splinter argues against a vig kill. Melon after Soph for surviving the night.
LP says Gaga has to be town, no ALL trainer are town?
TheG wants Soph to double!
Soph lying about her ability(?) and trainer (matching the flip, bla) in 1626. Point of interest:
Why another scum trainer? Who's the first?
I overread the part in italics more than twice. She confirmed being blocked here. I was beginning to be suspicious of anyone mentioning roleblock from this point on: LP, Saw, Fire and Splinter. Because it was only confirmed she was blocked at 1723. This is obsolete because of the part in italics.
continued notes: (outdated and partly wrong)
LP pointing to roleblock. Saw assuming only 3 trainers and roleblock talk. At this point Sophia never mentioned being blocked, only being out of shots.
BlarG? Melon shifiting attention to inactives. Fire also mentions blocking.
Ynnek believing Team Gaga may be out? 1693 wtf, n1 death redaction works only if pkmn was caught. Either not paying attention or he is Gaga trying to exclude this possibility.
Anyway, notes:
Splinter lied about being a veteran and talks about 2 obvious targets (and lucky scum?).
Roy pointing at misinfo from Topo? He continues to argue against lynching Soph even if she's neutral (neutral theory by cm).
Splinter argues against a vig kill. Melon after Soph for surviving the night.
LP says Gaga has to be town, no ALL trainer are town?
TheG wants Soph to double!
Soph lying about her ability(?) and trainer (matching the flip, bla) in 1626. Point of interest:
Why another scum trainer? Who's the first?
I overread the part in italics more than twice. She confirmed being blocked here. I was beginning to be suspicious of anyone mentioning roleblock from this point on: LP, Saw, Fire and Splinter. Because it was only confirmed she was blocked at 1723. This is obsolete because of the part in italics.
continued notes: (outdated and partly wrong)
LP pointing to roleblock. Saw assuming only 3 trainers and roleblock talk. At this point Sophia never mentioned being blocked, only being out of shots.
BlarG? Melon shifiting attention to inactives. Fire also mentions blocking.
Ynnek believing Team Gaga may be out? 1693 wtf, n1 death redaction works only if pkmn was caught. Either not paying attention or he is Gaga trying to exclude this possibility.
TheGoddamn
Member
Because he told me. In the chat. That he was part of. I trusted him then, and I sure as shit trust him now.
Splinter talking about removing PR. Melon again talking inactives. 1723 no double! Fire talking roleblock again.
Here comes Blarg with his Ynnek theory, which was proven wrong later by Star/TheG (I was a fan of that theory, why else would Topo go out of line talking about mountains and stuff? Doesn't matter anymore.)
Scenario talk with Splinter talking about scum trainer and Roy not all trainer, not all pkmn, combination are town?
Stanley tries to double vote in 1783. No explanation thus far! I want to hear from him. Roy doubting a roleblocker could only be scum. Than we have a nice dumb conversation between me and Splinter.
Saw puts attention to inactives. Says she got questions earlier from me, it wasn't during Day 3, can you point me to them? Later Saw again for inactives.
Splinter wants to lynch the unrevealed trainer in 1840. He is the second to assume we only have three trainers in this game at this point?
Don't know what these two were about:
-> Roy
Verelios
Than: Star revealing TheG after pressure. Splinter votes, Dusk votes. Subsequently TheG reveals himself, talks with Splinter. CM focussing on the second killer (odd) and finally we see a Blarg plan!
Here comes Blarg with his Ynnek theory, which was proven wrong later by Star/TheG (I was a fan of that theory, why else would Topo go out of line talking about mountains and stuff? Doesn't matter anymore.)
Scenario talk with Splinter talking about scum trainer and Roy not all trainer, not all pkmn, combination are town?
Stanley tries to double vote in 1783. No explanation thus far! I want to hear from him. Roy doubting a roleblocker could only be scum. Than we have a nice dumb conversation between me and Splinter.
Saw puts attention to inactives. Says she got questions earlier from me, it wasn't during Day 3, can you point me to them? Later Saw again for inactives.
Splinter wants to lynch the unrevealed trainer in 1840. He is the second to assume we only have three trainers in this game at this point?
Don't know what these two were about:
-> Roy
Verelios
Than: Star revealing TheG after pressure. Splinter votes, Dusk votes. Subsequently TheG reveals himself, talks with Splinter. CM focussing on the second killer (odd) and finally we see a Blarg plan!
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Please explain what you think happens to a scum Pokemon caught by a town trainer, or say if you think it's impossible.
Please explain what you think happens to a town Pokemon caught by a scum trainer, or say if you think it's impossible.
This is where I stand.
He is a Trainer who Can Catch Players. We got confirmation from that she has been caught by him. For today I would let him live in order to catch someone. I mean I trust him for today and his plan sounds legit OK for what it is.
He will probably die tonight and we will get all the information we need OR he wo t get killed and therefore be lynched by us the following day. But for now he makes sense.
Splinter IS totes scum m8. Nothing he does in this game helps us in any way. All of his posts look so unemotional. Nothing leads anywhere, it's a complete waste of time by his part.
And this fact alone let's me believe he's scum. As a member of town he would be much more into it and would've found a lead worth following yesterday. He's not committed to win this game as a townie. Too much on the sideline, too much satisfied with the current state.
Why do you townread him that you even feel the need to jump in for his defense?
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This was during my read of Day 3 at the point of your post. With 1840 I feel he changed his attitude, but I still can't see anything that would lead me to the conclusion he's town.
What do we gain by letting him live another day? I'm with Splinter that he most probably won't be killed and we face the same situation tomorrow.
TheGoddamn
Member
We've already discussed this. Just lynch me today if nothing I'm saying convinces you. My flip will tell town more about you than about me.
Can you just tell me why you think this? This is the part I don't understand.
? You've never explained either of those two scenarios I'm asking about in that post. Why won't you give a straight answer? You're dodging all my questions and then asking me to trust you? Fuck that.
Flush was absolutely a lead worth following. I followed it and turned out to be wrong. Are you pretending town can't be wrong?
No, town will be wrong very often, but It was a bad lead. Some pointed fingers at him, his posting style was a bit different to the average one and *boom* you have a mislynch. I had no particular read on him and was surprised to see that he was lynched by so many players especially since I did not see anything convincing against him. This lynch might come in handy later in endgame though.
TheGoddamn
Member
When did I dodge any of your questions since we started talking?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218122217&postcount=1935
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218123159&postcount=1940
Well fuck me Gorlak if I can't vote someone for having a different play style to usual then I dont know when I can. What would you consider a good lead? A red check from a cop? Is that why you've done fuck all this game?
You answered one of the two questions. This whole conversation between you two is a bit exhausting. Please answer the two questions as simply as possible.
Blargonaut
Banned
What does the plan give us, Blarg?
What matters is the plan
In as few words as possible, please
Royal was playing his usual self, that's what I'm talking about. He's ALWAYS different that wasn't enough to lynch him. As I said, let the past be for the time being and we'll look at it later.
My lead is to vote out Starsketch. I've explained multiple times why I think it's worth to lynch an unrevoked claim with partial information drops after pressure and time. This may prove to be wrong as well. Other than that I was busy and inactive, yes. Quite funny that you react so openly aggressive to a little criticism, I wonder why?
Blargonaut
Banned
ok NiNetails
Roy what are you talking about? You were the only one responding to Blarg's claim knowing about nin's role. He later says it's Ninetails. He makes jokes about nine inch nailes (nin). Are you seriously voting Blarg for a joke post?
Aside from that I'll come back to your and Ferret's logic later, because I disagree and find it hugely suspicious.
Ok, could you give a summary of why you think we should lynch Sketch? I must have missed it.
And spare me the passive-aggression, pls
Surely you have, that's why you responded to me earlier (sometime early D2) saying we shouldn't lynch her because you disagree.
Blargonaut
Banned
Cool, so I've forgotten it.
Can you give a recap of your reasons? Is that so much to ask?
I see.
I don't think it's enough fun to justify a vig shot and multiple PRs exposed.
What do you think of Ferret's plan (supported by roy btw) of letting TheG catching PRs and lynching him later.
I imagine it to be a sort of block all the town PRs and let scum kill all the PRs on a silver plate - plan?
I agreed with the plan initially but yeah, since he effectively can't block the scum kill he's doing more harm than good.
melonrabbit
Member
I feel like I could go either way with a SS lynch or TheG. SS would definitely close a unresolved loop (and I believed Ty.)
Now more than ever I scumread TheG. There was a lot of back and forth above but no where did even he attempt to explain why he has been so absence, only that Sophia and he agreed to distance themselves.
I am very wary of Blarg plan because it requires a lot of assumptions on PBs for it to work and I'm not sure what the net gain actually is.
Now more than ever I scumread TheG. There was a lot of back and forth above but no where did even he attempt to explain why he has been so absence, only that Sophia and he agreed to distance themselves.
I am very wary of Blarg plan because it requires a lot of assumptions on PBs for it to work and I'm not sure what the net gain actually is.
If he is town I thought that the probability of dying was high. But since I repeated myself and we all talked about it the probability has now shrunken. Since it would be pretty dumb for mafia to waste a kill on someone who will probably get lynched either way.
I just thought or still believe on the inside him being town, but I also understand that there are some issues that have to be resolved. I don't want to rush things for now. Just want to make clear also that I will bit be against a TGD Lynch if it comes to it.
Just legitimate think / though of him being town.
It's nine inch nails you filthy certain.
who the hell will go that far and call our players because of their username.
Blarg we will, I forgot lol
Sophia claimed under pressure yet saying it was for no reason at all.
Only reveals more info after more pressure the next day.
Claims to be one-shot, thus is even more weakened than it would already be in town's hands.
You forgot about arguing that a double voter can't be scum? I don't believe you. You even responded to these accusations back then. In fact you are the one big advocate of letting Soph/Star live and responded to me whenever I tried to put pressure on her. I don't understand why you feel the need to defend one person in this game.
We clearly have opposing views on this case and I garantue you if Star flips scum I'll be hunting you down.
Blargonaut
Banned
well, actually, only the Vig/SK would be exposed, and likely anonymously protected thereafter, so
You weren't kidding when you said you needed it in fewer words
Blargonaut
Banned
As opposed to what?
Blargonaut
Banned
ok nine inch nailsetails
melonrabbit
Member
A few more thoughts before work, I'll be back before deadline.
Did Roy take the Ninetails joke as literal?
Gorlak, I'm not sure where you getting that Splinter is unemotional.
Come on you guys, we have the time. Let's do this right today.
Did Roy take the Ninetails joke as literal?
Gorlak, I'm not sure where you getting that Splinter is unemotional.
Come on you guys, we have the time. Let's do this right today.
I don't believe the second killer will out himself. We only had a second kill at N2, so it's more likely to be a vig than a SK. Why should the vig out himself? Because of a misfired shot? Nah. Why would anyone else out themselves? This is ridiculous.
Blarg's plan won't work. And even in the best case scum will know who the vig is. I'm against it.
Blarg's plan won't work. And even in the best case scum will know who the vig is. I'm against it.
melonrabbit
Member
How do you know this?
It's Blarg, I always find it hard to distinguish between jokes and seriousness with Blarg, since his serious posts are often also written in a jokingly way. I found his Ynnek breadcrumb idea to be pretty farfetched for example, and that one was serious.But sure, even if I remove that point from his record, he is still very suspicious imo.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
oh goody, now im back to not wanting star or TheG to be lynched.
Blargonaut
Banned
well fuck me, then
It's not like I thought about this