Looks like it
I think beacuse he is not loud
I agree ob that. Whqtare your thozghts melon.
Who would you rather see lynched. SS or TGD ?
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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I think beacuse he is not loud
I agree ob that. Whqtare your thozghts melon.
Who would you rather see lynched. SS or TGD ?
Blargonaut
Banned
Ok I thought it would be more than that.
@ the bolded: I didn't say this. I said double vote is more likely town than scum. That's a huge difference to "double vote can't be scum", don't put words in my mouth.
I agree her initial reveal was scummy - I'm sure I even said as much before. I also agree that 1 shot suggests more scum than town, but I didn't say that because I wanted to see what Sophia would claim.
I think the "more info" you refer to is her being x shot? I don't see her reluctance there as scummy, totally reasonable for town to keep that hidden.
And that's it? That's essentially: "she has a double vote, which could be scum, so we should lynch her. The only scummy behaviour you can point to is her claim?
I disagree if you think this was a better lead then Flush, even moreso if you think it's better than TheG.
For the record, I don't town read Sophia. The only thing I give her credit for is giving up a shot of her PR. If she really was a scum 1 shot double then this brings lylo forward a day, I don't think she's give that up unless she felt she had no choice.
I don't town read Sketch either but for the situation she's been put in there was really only one way to play, so of course I can't town read it.
Overall? Still a scumread, but significantly weakened by her double vote usage, as I said.
It's already been confirmed by El Topo.
2nd killer may only comply if he's town and in that case we would have neatly revealed him to scum.
So we expose the Vig and kill TheG whatsoever. The plan won't work if you say "either scum will nk him or if not we will lynch him asap.
Who do you want to lynch?
We wouldn't get rid, he does roleblock pkmn, it's already confirmed.
What lead?
He wouldn't use it at all, because of the block.
Blargonaut
Banned
You are ignoring possible scum PRs. A scum watcher would catch the doctor (and maybe cop) in your plan.
As opposed to the vig shooting whoever they're actually suspicious of.
I'm pretty sure ninetails was a joke as you can see by the discussion between them just now. The Ynnek breadcrumb didn't seem farfetched to me and I was leaning to believe the same, what is suspicious about that one is his ongoing desire to vote Ynnek without any further reason though.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
i did it on the off chance that the Mod-message would be different than the one directed to sophia, maybe giving some clue as to if she had been roleblocked or and used up all shots or whatever the mystery was at the time.
very unlikely to work, but i figured it was worth the shot
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
something something farfetched something
HA! try figuring out which one it is now scum!
HA! try figuring out which one it is now scum!
Reluctance to reveal fluff and pkmn name. Somewhere someone argued being able to be caught by using a wrong name, maybe it was Sophia? Striked me as odd, usually scum has fake names, so why would she think otherwise? Does she know more?
Well, at least we have that sorted for now.
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Why do you assume we have three trainers in the game and nothing more? Sawneeks did this earlier as well and an answer from her would be appreciated. How does that make any sense? Have a bigger faction but only two competing town factions of which one trainer is already dead?
How would a sole scum trainer have the same super win condition when there are no competing factions anymore?
Why are you fishing for the Vigilante?
Why is it obviously a mafia PR? Who killed Ty in that case? Or are you saying scum had two kills?
I don't assume that, although based on nothing I suspect it, there could always be more. We only have evidence of 3 though, technically when I say 3 I mean "at least 3", it's just awkward to talk around and doesn't seem a big deal.
I don't understand your question about a scum trainer. Presumably they would need a bigger team size than the other trainers, regardless of alignment?
Town trainer can only achieve super win con if town wins, this means they are not able to compete against a scum trainer in case scum wins.
(I'll have to check your earlier post, but it looked like you were pretty confident about having only 3 trainers and this seems to be a way to rephrase a mistake)
Yeah but the town trainer might still have the bigger team at the end, in which case scum win but noone gets the special win.
So would a scum faction be compared to town? I don't think this would happen. Without any further flips it's really hard to make a call on TheG.
As I said, I need his name. The permanent roleblock seems anti-town, would the chat distinction be a scum addition?
My problem is it looks like we are about to lynch him solely on game mechanic assumptions rather than scummy behaviour. Tough decision, I'll be back later.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
oh hey, 7 hours till the day ends, and i need to sleep.
excuse me while i go spin the roulette wheel of slight alterations to fate.
excuse me while i go spin the roulette wheel of slight alterations to fate.
Huh... That is weird...
That suggests that either all trainers are town or we have an absolute shit load of trainers (at least 4, anyway). I thought 3 sounded like a lot...
And you're right that the lynch isn't ideal. It's not giving us information, and I have no idea what TheG will flip (although he became more scummy today I think), but his role is so bad I wouldn't even mind so much if he flips town, I think we're better off without it. That's, ultimately, why I decided we should lynch him today rather than wait for more info.
Blargonaut
Banned
uggghhhh, thesis defense
What happened to players just doing what I say because everyone knows it's for their own good?
I miss those Days
*sigh*
Really? When?
Hence the Doctor bit, yeah
I'm not asking scum to kill TheGoddamn, I'm asking the Vig/SK to attempt to kill TheGoddamn whilst said Vig/SK is under hypothetical Doctor protection while TheGoddamn attempts to capture/Roleblock said Vig/SK
then let Burb sort it out
like, for real?
SalvaPot, probably
Really? When?
TheGoddamn's flip -> comparison of its info to her claims
but in the scenario of that line you quoted there, TheGoddamn was lying and thus would be dead because his Mass Roleblock wouldn't be real and therefore the Vig/SK kill would hit him unopposed
What happened to players just doing what I say because everyone knows it's for their own good?
I miss those Days
*sigh*
Really? When?
Hence the Doctor bit, yeah
I'm not asking scum to kill TheGoddamn, I'm asking the Vig/SK to attempt to kill TheGoddamn whilst said Vig/SK is under hypothetical Doctor protection while TheGoddamn attempts to capture/Roleblock said Vig/SK
then let Burb sort it out
like, for real?
SalvaPot, probably
Really? When?
TheGoddamn's flip -> comparison of its info to her claims
but in the scenario of that line you quoted there, TheGoddamn was lying and thus would be dead because his Mass Roleblock wouldn't be real and therefore the Vig/SK kill would hit him unopposed
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
this has been my view/problem with this entire day phase.
its my opinions that the people in the game dont know shit about the games balance until it is explicitly told to them,
making calls on what we think we know is just asking for mistakes with nothing to show for them.
anyway.
THE WHEEL HAS SPOKEN
vote: Lone_Prodigy
(please note the the wheel only included players i am not against lynching)
(side effects may vary)
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
the hell crawled up you ass and convinced you to be a dick?
Hey I dont need convincing to be a dick
Oh man, it's really late so I'm just going to jot down some pros/cons of lynching TheGoddamn or Star.
Pro for TGD:
-Find out if there's a scum alignment team or not(maybe different town team from Ty4on)
-PR's are protected
-Lynch Star if he flips scum
-Start the scum hunt
Cons:
-maybe lose information if he's town
-Hard to say if Star is scum or not from his flip
-Vig probably won't bother killing him either way so he's back for day 4 if he's scum
Pros for Star:
-Lynch Goddamn if star flips scum
-If flips scum, proves there are scum Pokemon
-Look back at who Sophia did/didn't interact with
Con:
-No way to really know if TGD is a scum trainer with her flip
-If flips town then that hurts
Pro for TGD:
-Find out if there's a scum alignment team or not(maybe different town team from Ty4on)
-PR's are protected
-Lynch Star if he flips scum
-Start the scum hunt
Cons:
-maybe lose information if he's town
-Hard to say if Star is scum or not from his flip
-Vig probably won't bother killing him either way so he's back for day 4 if he's scum
Pros for Star:
-Lynch Goddamn if star flips scum
-If flips scum, proves there are scum Pokemon
-Look back at who Sophia did/didn't interact with
Con:
-No way to really know if TGD is a scum trainer with her flip
-If flips town then that hurts
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
whoops
vote: Lone_Prodigy
vote: Lone_Prodigy
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
ah i see.
just as i had suspected,
you are up your own ass.
im sorry i dont really mean that, it was just such a golden opportunity i couldnt let it go to waste.
...We all know LP isn't a lynch discussion (where is he though!?) So this...seems like an exercise in futility
I mean, even before LP, I'd guess Salva to be the first inactive hit
gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621 (1651)
lone_prodigy (2)
sophia 1626 (1639)
gorlak 2017
stanleypalmtree 2028
thegoddamn (6)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660 (1884)
sophia 1720 (1720)
sophia 1720 (1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882
*splinter 1884
dusk soldier 1898
ynnek7 1907
starsketch (0)
dusk soldier 1771 (1898)
stanleypalmtree (0)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)
roytheone (0)
gorlak 1793 (1801)
*splinter (0)
gorlak 1801 (2017)
ynnek7 (3)
nin1000 1822
thegoddamn 1915
blargonaut 1925
blargonaut (1)
roytheone 1957
lone_prodigy (2)
gorlak 2017
stanleypalmtree 2028
thegoddamn (6)
sawneeks 1651
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882
*splinter 1884
dusk soldier 1898
ynnek7 1907
starsketch (0)
stanleypalmtree (0)
roytheone (0)
*splinter (0)
ynnek7 (3)
nin1000 1822
thegoddamn 1915
blargonaut 1925
blargonaut (1)
roytheone 1957
For a more serious answer, here is your contribution to the last 24 hours:
"Nah I won't vote The G"
"Here is why I did this strange thing"
"Here is a picture of a cat"
"I'm going to sleep"
"Definitely sleep. This vote has no weight behind it btw so don't sweat it"
something something farfetched something
HA! try figuring out which one it is now scum!
"I might vote The G"
"Nah I won't vote The G"
"Here is why I did this strange thing"
"Here is a picture of a cat"
"I'm going to sleep"
"Definitely sleep. This vote has no weight behind it btw so don't sweat it"
You seem to be suggestion that either flipping scum would imply the other is also scum. Can you explain why you think that?
Also some conclusion to this post would be nice. What do you think we should do?
FWIW I think Salva is town.
I actually don't think one flipping scum is indicative of the other flipping, so I placed that in con, but based on the chances, our increasingly lowering town count and their(Darryl/TGD-Sophia) interactions, I'm willing to take a chance.
If general consensus is to let TGD live another day then fine, I'm okay with that. I'd rather get rid of a dangerous element, but I can understand getting more information out of him would be equally beneficial. If that's so then I'd like an alternative vote to cast on.
And regarding Salva, his recent (relatively) posts have struck me as weird. Not scummy, but really stand-offish, I wouldn't be surprised if he was neutral
Blargonaut
Banned
no, it's just for fun
TheGoddamn
Member
The roleblock isn't permanent. It only has the potential to be anti-town, and when it is, then I can die and the roleblock is lifted.
None of Darryl's/my choices so far have been anti-town. Topo was vanilla, and Sophia/Star had a double. Been doing the best I can with a messy role.
My name is Donald Trump, and that is why I was hesitant to state it. In what world is Trump not scum? This one, apparently. Our chat is called Trump Tower.
Sophia's and my hostile interactions at the start of the day were strictly because of my mistake about whether my capture pushed through. Hopefully Star can corroborate.
To be perfectly clear, I'm fine with being lynched today; my flip will prove everything I've said so far, and town can see the effects of my claim. My main reason for staying alive is I want someone else with Star in the chat so it continues to have a use (I'm good with Blarg's plan, although depending on the alignment of the second killer, it can be as good for scum as it is for town).
Blargonaut
Banned
Making Giovanni Great Again
Need to go to work in roughly an hour, so my vote will be locked in soon. Thinking about Ferret's plan, I agree there is the risk that it could out PR to scum. To avoid this, they probably shouldn't reveal their power in the chat in case Goddamn/sophiasketch are scum and/or a scum gets added to the chat later. That will make it harder to decide when TGD has caught enough pokemon that the risk of him having blocked town PR outweighs the benefits of him being able to identify non-pokemon, and he should be lynched. That benefit is also hard to put a value on since we don't know if and how many non-pokemon roles are non-town. Add the fact that TGD could very well be scum, and there are a lot of risks and uncertainties with the plan. If someone has ideas to deal with those uncertainties and risks I would reconsider, but until then:
vote: TheGoddamn
BTW, Ferret, can you clarify something for me? In your plan you say TGD learns the role through capture, do you mean through a pm he gets when he successfully captures someone or through the chat after the capture? I don't remember TGD claiming he automatically learns the role/name of his captured Pokemons.
vote: TheGoddamn
BTW, Ferret, can you clarify something for me? In your plan you say TGD learns the role through capture, do you mean through a pm he gets when he successfully captures someone or through the chat after the capture? I don't remember TGD claiming he automatically learns the role/name of his captured Pokemons.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
a splinter, probably
Blargonaut
Banned
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Before game starts, everyone is informed that there are trainers out there who capture pokemon. El Topo comes forward claiming he was caught the previous night. Ends up dead the next day. How does that smell like a vig kill? What was scummy about El Topo coming forward and Ty4on that would make a town hit them? And on Night 2 will very little to go on? Mafia know something about the trainers that we don't.
1-shot kill PR + ordinary NK = 2 kills last night. Why isn't that plausible?
Dusk Soldier
Member
Goddamn, only way I'm lifting my vote on you is if you can demonstrate how your ability can help town win.
Based on Ty4on, and Barrylocke's flips we know that at least one of the trainers is not town.
Even if you are not scum, that doesn't mean that you are town or that leaving you in the game is beneficial in any way.
Based on Ty4on, and Barrylocke's flips we know that at least one of the trainers is not town.
Even if you are not scum, that doesn't mean that you are town or that leaving you in the game is beneficial in any way.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Yeah, he's a bit of a dick but it's just flavor. Besides, there might be Republicans in here.
I don't think it says anything about your alignment.
Wait, why?
Dusk Soldier
Member
I do want to point out that Topo claimed that caught pokemon would have their abilities roleblocked.
Which anyone who was caught, but NOT by Goddamn would know is not true. They might have thought the lie was a scum gambit to draw a counter claim and went for Topo based on that.
Your scenario is plausible too, however.