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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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Blargonaut
Banned
oh how could I prevail in the face of all this pressure and sensibility
You know what? nvm. I think I'll stick to being self-consistent, thanks /all
Sudden tonal shifts aren't good for the audience's perception of the narrative
You know what? nvm. I think I'll stick to being self-consistent, thanks /all
Sudden tonal shifts aren't good for the audience's perception of the narrative
Dusk Soldier
This is a tricky one for me. I've fairly consistently town read Dusk throughout the game. He's been aggressive as hell against his targets, and despite a low post count he's had a strong presence in the thread - this tells me his low post count is just his natural rhythm rather than an attempt to stay off of people's radars.
In previous games I think Dusk has eaten quite a few early lynches, so his continued aggression here suggests he's making no attempt to change play style for the sake of surviving, which again points to him being town. On the other hand he hasn't been under as much suspicion this game (only really Roy that I can think of), so perhaps he made a more subtle change? (Meh)
However, I don't like his reaction to Blarg's claim at all. There was no questioning or analysis, just a straight up "well that's a claim, we'll have to assume it's true unless someone else counterclaims", which is... lazy, at best. Now outside of lylo that might be more acceptable, especially for a cop claim. However even then, when the most likely lynch target opens by claiming cop with a red check on a widely townread discussion leader, I think some scrutiny is called for?
Now, Dusk was a little late to the party on this, and by the time he started arguing in favour of Blarg it looked like town were already leaning against him. That earns some town points - I would expect scum to be more cautious about supporting Blarg, especially when there are multiple players sceptical (or outright dismissive) of his claim. On the other hand this could be precisely why Dusk feels confident enough to strongly support Blarg - the classic "too scummy to be scum" / WIFOM defense - especially if this is indeed lylo.
It's also possible that scum only need one vote on me, suppose melon or nin are town, both currently prefer to vote me, if Dusk can convince just one of them to drop a vote it could potentially end the game, at which point it's too late for Dusk's risky argument to come back to bite him. I would hope that this wouldn't work. I hope everyone here knows how lylo works, we must vote unanimously, even if that means a vote you disagree with. A split vote is a guaranteed loss for town.
Verdict: Town?
I'll still leaning town on this, because at the end of the day his straightforward response to Blarg's claim is somewhat consistent with his earlier aggression, but I'm super unsure now. I might give an update to this at day end, as I suspect it could be influenced by exactly how the rest of today pans out.
This is a tricky one for me. I've fairly consistently town read Dusk throughout the game. He's been aggressive as hell against his targets, and despite a low post count he's had a strong presence in the thread - this tells me his low post count is just his natural rhythm rather than an attempt to stay off of people's radars.
In previous games I think Dusk has eaten quite a few early lynches, so his continued aggression here suggests he's making no attempt to change play style for the sake of surviving, which again points to him being town. On the other hand he hasn't been under as much suspicion this game (only really Roy that I can think of), so perhaps he made a more subtle change? (Meh)
However, I don't like his reaction to Blarg's claim at all. There was no questioning or analysis, just a straight up "well that's a claim, we'll have to assume it's true unless someone else counterclaims", which is... lazy, at best. Now outside of lylo that might be more acceptable, especially for a cop claim. However even then, when the most likely lynch target opens by claiming cop with a red check on a widely townread discussion leader, I think some scrutiny is called for?
Now, Dusk was a little late to the party on this, and by the time he started arguing in favour of Blarg it looked like town were already leaning against him. That earns some town points - I would expect scum to be more cautious about supporting Blarg, especially when there are multiple players sceptical (or outright dismissive) of his claim. On the other hand this could be precisely why Dusk feels confident enough to strongly support Blarg - the classic "too scummy to be scum" / WIFOM defense - especially if this is indeed lylo.
It's also possible that scum only need one vote on me, suppose melon or nin are town, both currently prefer to vote me, if Dusk can convince just one of them to drop a vote it could potentially end the game, at which point it's too late for Dusk's risky argument to come back to bite him. I would hope that this wouldn't work. I hope everyone here knows how lylo works, we must vote unanimously, even if that means a vote you disagree with. A split vote is a guaranteed loss for town.
Verdict: Town?
I'll still leaning town on this, because at the end of the day his straightforward response to Blarg's claim is somewhat consistent with his earlier aggression, but I'm super unsure now. I might give an update to this at day end, as I suspect it could be influenced by exactly how the rest of today pans out.
Blargonaut
Banned
finally, some stakes
Are you enjoying serializing your reads as if you're adapting The Hobbit
Blargonaut
Banned
*cinematically
adapting
adapting
Blargonaut
Banned
btw, you bolded "Verdict" in your Dusk Soldier read yet you bolded "Town" in your roytheone read
Hard to stay consistent when you're shook, isn't it, *Sp
Hard to stay consistent when you're shook, isn't it, *Sp
Blargonaut
Banned
btw, I'd like a mass Role-claim right now, please
It'll make my job easier Tonight
except the Doctor, of course
doctor-patient confidentiality or something like it
It'll make my job easier Tonight
except the Doctor, of course
doctor-patient confidentiality or something like it
Blargonaut
Banned
uh-oh, that's 2 btw's in a row
Now you know I'm getting serious
Now you know I'm getting serious
Blargonaut
Banned
anyway, I'll let you get back to it
By all means, continue
By all means, continue
melonrabbit
Member
Glad to see your renewed vigor.
And the fact you seemed to have actually read what I posted.
I've already asked Blarg lot of questions. But I'm sure I can think of a few more. Splinter is ignoring me and I questioned you decision to suddenly vet V as town.
I'll have more after work.
melonrabbit
Member
Blarg, what is your favorite Lady Gaga song?
Blargonaut
Banned
This post will be a 2 for 1 special(!!), as these two are inexorably linked for me.
Fireblend & Verelios
These two have been at each other's throats for most of the game now. It's not impossible for both to be scum, but I feel it's unlikely. It's also possible that both are town but (spoilers) I don't think this is the case.
In the early game, I thought these were two townies going after each other, so I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to their initial argument (day 2, I think?). I remember that Verelios was even more embroiled in an argument with Royal Flush at the time, and since I was scumreading Flush this probably led to my townread of Verelios. Fireblend was more of a null, I think I accused him of a lack of presence in the thread at some point, but in hindsight that could have been because his argument with Verelios wasn't interesting to me (or maybe it was day 1, I don't remember). Either way it was a very null read, sometimes leaning town or scum based on his latest posts, my current mood, or what I'd had for lunch that day.
Flush's flip took away my main reason for townreading Verelios. He also just geberally appeared scummier after this point. Whereas in day 1-2 I had quite liked his aggression and willingness to be at the centre of discussion, suddenly his reactions to things started feeling fake (e.g. "8 townies dead oh golly gee gosh"). My scumread grew mostly from this, but has never been strong, and has been bolstered today by his reaction to Blarg's claim. Verelios is mostly against Blarg, but just leaving the window open enough to "change his mind" later. This is exactly where I would expect scum to position themselves, I need to check to see if he always left that window open or he opened it after others expressed some faith in Blarg (which would of course be even scummier).
Fireblend remained mostly null for a few days, but I've gradually been leaning town on him more and more. I've (mostly) liked his posts and - similarly to Roy) he seems interested and involved in the game. The only real thing I've disagreed with him on is Salva. This was kind of interesting, near the end of yesterday Fire admitted that his scumread of Salva was maybe more emotional than logical, yet he kept his vote in place and still defends it even today. I really don't like his case against Salva, his description sounds more like bad town play than scum, and yet he scumreads for it and is really sticking to his guns, not quite sure what to make of that.
Verdict: Scum Verelios, Town Fireblend.
The Fire read isn't strong, and relies slightly on the assumption that these two aren't scum together. If Verelios were to flip town I'd be a lot less confident of Fire, and might even scumread him due to the whole Salva thing.
Fireblend & Verelios
These two have been at each other's throats for most of the game now. It's not impossible for both to be scum, but I feel it's unlikely. It's also possible that both are town but (spoilers) I don't think this is the case.
In the early game, I thought these were two townies going after each other, so I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to their initial argument (day 2, I think?). I remember that Verelios was even more embroiled in an argument with Royal Flush at the time, and since I was scumreading Flush this probably led to my townread of Verelios. Fireblend was more of a null, I think I accused him of a lack of presence in the thread at some point, but in hindsight that could have been because his argument with Verelios wasn't interesting to me (or maybe it was day 1, I don't remember). Either way it was a very null read, sometimes leaning town or scum based on his latest posts, my current mood, or what I'd had for lunch that day.
Flush's flip took away my main reason for townreading Verelios. He also just geberally appeared scummier after this point. Whereas in day 1-2 I had quite liked his aggression and willingness to be at the centre of discussion, suddenly his reactions to things started feeling fake (e.g. "8 townies dead oh golly gee gosh"). My scumread grew mostly from this, but has never been strong, and has been bolstered today by his reaction to Blarg's claim. Verelios is mostly against Blarg, but just leaving the window open enough to "change his mind" later. This is exactly where I would expect scum to position themselves, I need to check to see if he always left that window open or he opened it after others expressed some faith in Blarg (which would of course be even scummier).
Fireblend remained mostly null for a few days, but I've gradually been leaning town on him more and more. I've (mostly) liked his posts and - similarly to Roy) he seems interested and involved in the game. The only real thing I've disagreed with him on is Salva. This was kind of interesting, near the end of yesterday Fire admitted that his scumread of Salva was maybe more emotional than logical, yet he kept his vote in place and still defends it even today. I really don't like his case against Salva, his description sounds more like bad town play than scum, and yet he scumreads for it and is really sticking to his guns, not quite sure what to make of that.
Verdict: Scum Verelios, Town Fireblend.
The Fire read isn't strong, and relies slightly on the assumption that these two aren't scum together. If Verelios were to flip town I'd be a lot less confident of Fire, and might even scumread him due to the whole Salva thing.
Blargonaut
Banned
yeah you tell 'em *Splint
I think we should mass claim tomorrow. If anyone has any info they feel is worth sharing today, that's up to them.
Hey wait your turn
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Fireblend
Lone prodigy
DuskSoldier
i dont follow, how does being the one to claim cop help that situation in any way?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Because he has nothing to lose. Anyone else claiming would be risking a counterclaim. For Blarg that's not a big deal since he was already on death row, and luring out a real cop would have been very worthwhile.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blarg is still self-voting??
Doesn't that point to only 2 possibilities?
1) Blarg is scum
2) This isn't lylo
??
(It's 1, but could be both)
Blargonaut
Banned
Did I get it right, melon
Blargonaut
Banned
*dramatic organ*
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
I dunno, I'm more inclined towards 2, really
melonrabbit
Member
Telephone
Hmmm. My go to is
Electric Chapel
For what???
Blargonaut
Banned
*Splint I want more of your reaction(s)
How do you truly, deeply feel about discovering that I was still self-voting?
How do you truly, deeply feel about discovering that I was still self-voting?
melonrabbit
Now I've been vaguely scumreading melon for most of the game, and looking back I honestly don't know why?
I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of her, I think it was more of a gut feeling, partly based on her not standing out to me at all despite being one of the more active posters. I think for day 1 {feelings} I can understand wanting to lynch her over Bronx (which I kind of tried to do but was way too late).
From then on that read just kind of... stayed? I think her posts were continuing to "not stand out" to me, which in fairness could be indicative of scum playing safe, but I read through (some of) day 1 recently and Sawneek's analysis of melon's votes, and her posts are reasonable, her arguments make sense, I'm not even seeing a difference to her previous play (which is somsething I felt back on day 1). Looking back this is a day 1 gut feeling that overstayed it's welcome.
I have an alternate theory to why I've been "ignoring" her. When I play Mafia, my first concern are the "stupid" posts, illogical ideas or conclusions, basically "does this person seriously believe the shit they just typed or are the pulling stuff out of their arse". Melon doesn't have any of these posts. My next concern is people that make sense but disagree with me: "this person speaks sense and is clearly paying attention, so why have their reads turned out so differently to mine". I guess melon hasn't done much of this either (I'll get to her scumread of me in a minute), although I'll be confident of this when (if) I re-read. So basically I missed her posts because... I agree with them? (Not literally missed, just didn't feel her presence in the thread as much as I otherwise would).
Now, one thing I obviously don't "agree" with her on is her scumread of me. However I do (to some extent) agree with her reasoning for suspecting me. I've been throwing casual shade at melon all game and never backing it up or exploring it further - that's scummy. I've been defending an inactive player - that's scummy. And her argument today is the fairest of all - I dropped in activity at the end of mini2 because it was hard to maintain interest while winning, and now I have dropped in activity while scum are undoubtedly winning (in my defense, my activity has dropped for a couple of reasons, but my level of interest remains high).
While these other chucklefucks scumread me for voting on town (which town does more than scum) and lying about my role (which town does more than scum), melon is the only one to have a sensible argument against me - and I townread her for it.
Verdict: Town
I forget to mention her reaction to Blarg's claim, but basically it's unambiguous and consistent with her previous reads, so a totally reasonable position to take.
Now I've been vaguely scumreading melon for most of the game, and looking back I honestly don't know why?
I remember on day 1 I was suspicious of her, I think it was more of a gut feeling, partly based on her not standing out to me at all despite being one of the more active posters. I think for day 1 {feelings} I can understand wanting to lynch her over Bronx (which I kind of tried to do but was way too late).
From then on that read just kind of... stayed? I think her posts were continuing to "not stand out" to me, which in fairness could be indicative of scum playing safe, but I read through (some of) day 1 recently and Sawneek's analysis of melon's votes, and her posts are reasonable, her arguments make sense, I'm not even seeing a difference to her previous play (which is somsething I felt back on day 1). Looking back this is a day 1 gut feeling that overstayed it's welcome.
I have an alternate theory to why I've been "ignoring" her. When I play Mafia, my first concern are the "stupid" posts, illogical ideas or conclusions, basically "does this person seriously believe the shit they just typed or are the pulling stuff out of their arse". Melon doesn't have any of these posts. My next concern is people that make sense but disagree with me: "this person speaks sense and is clearly paying attention, so why have their reads turned out so differently to mine". I guess melon hasn't done much of this either (I'll get to her scumread of me in a minute), although I'll be confident of this when (if) I re-read. So basically I missed her posts because... I agree with them? (Not literally missed, just didn't feel her presence in the thread as much as I otherwise would).
Now, one thing I obviously don't "agree" with her on is her scumread of me. However I do (to some extent) agree with her reasoning for suspecting me. I've been throwing casual shade at melon all game and never backing it up or exploring it further - that's scummy. I've been defending an inactive player - that's scummy. And her argument today is the fairest of all - I dropped in activity at the end of mini2 because it was hard to maintain interest while winning, and now I have dropped in activity while scum are undoubtedly winning (in my defense, my activity has dropped for a couple of reasons, but my level of interest remains high).
While these other chucklefucks scumread me for voting on town (which town does more than scum) and lying about my role (which town does more than scum), melon is the only one to have a sensible argument against me - and I townread her for it.
Verdict: Town
I forget to mention her reaction to Blarg's claim, but basically it's unambiguous and consistent with her previous reads, so a totally reasonable position to take.
Blargonaut
Banned
I learned things in NX, *Sp
a very particular things
Things such as sleight of vote
a very particular things
Things such as sleight of vote
Blargonaut
Banned
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
HiH
That's it ? Nothing more ?
melonrabbit
Member
Sawneeks
This read shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
I've townread Sawneeks since day 1. For a day 1 read it's obviously quite heavily influenced by past games. Sawneeks had just had (I felt) a very strong, very townie, town performance in PiR, and she's continued that into this game with no obvious differences. If this game has all been an act that perfectly mimics her last game then I can only say "well played".
There is one small point of contention regarding her (unseeable) chat with CM, but I think Ynnek's flip put that to rest. For Sawneeks to have lied about CM's role in the conversation, she would have to rely on the unknown killer to target CM - quite a big risk even if she thought there was a vig, and with very little gain. Therefore I can only assume that the private chat is roughly as Sawneeks described, and although that isn't some major #towntell itself it does remove the only point that had given me pause over her alignment.
You could maybe argue she should have been NK'd by now, but I'm not sure when. N1 is a crapshoot as noone is truly town read at that stage, N2 was Ty4on who was townread even more than Sawneeks, N3 is Gorlak who was also townread and this is also when Sawneeks was "responsible" for the GD lynch (could have been a turning point in people's read of her), and N4 was Ferret who had claimed as a PR.
Verdict: Town
Either that or today she's done more "fake" investigating than all of town's real investigating combined.
This read shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
I've townread Sawneeks since day 1. For a day 1 read it's obviously quite heavily influenced by past games. Sawneeks had just had (I felt) a very strong, very townie, town performance in PiR, and she's continued that into this game with no obvious differences. If this game has all been an act that perfectly mimics her last game then I can only say "well played".
There is one small point of contention regarding her (unseeable) chat with CM, but I think Ynnek's flip put that to rest. For Sawneeks to have lied about CM's role in the conversation, she would have to rely on the unknown killer to target CM - quite a big risk even if she thought there was a vig, and with very little gain. Therefore I can only assume that the private chat is roughly as Sawneeks described, and although that isn't some major #towntell itself it does remove the only point that had given me pause over her alignment.
You could maybe argue she should have been NK'd by now, but I'm not sure when. N1 is a crapshoot as noone is truly town read at that stage, N2 was Ty4on who was townread even more than Sawneeks, N3 is Gorlak who was also townread and this is also when Sawneeks was "responsible" for the GD lynch (could have been a turning point in people's read of her), and N4 was Ferret who had claimed as a PR.
Verdict: Town
Either that or today she's done more "fake" investigating than all of town's real investigating combined.
Oh you. Convince me not to vote you out blarg. Come at me.
Tomorrow mate. Only 3 pages back.
Royal_Flush
Member
That's weird... I don't know why this doesn't work. Seems to be a very very low priority bug, so I maybe won't search for the reason. We'll see
I don't know if Burb wants to count Blarg's vote despite the tool not picking it up..