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Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire |OT| Hoenn Finally Confirmed

Azuran

Banned
People talking about Burns and Sleeps, when we all know the real problem is confusion. We should be talking how Swagger is such a lame move and should be nerfed to like 85% accuracy because a 50% status rate of hitting yourself and doing nothing is just stupid.
 

JoeM86

Member
They might be getting the games data ready for a large patch. Since we had 2 decently sized ones Without any really major bugs need fixing.

There's no reason to assume that. The last patch was just to force people to update to inject and this one just updated various bits of text, altered the name filters and fixed a few glitches that occurred and caused them to have to remove blocking nicknames on Battle Spot since that was causing disconnections.
 

backlot

Member
You're looking at this from the wrong angle. Don't look at 85% Burn from the perspective of the victim, look at that 15% miss from the perspective of the person using WoW.

You can't just throw WoW and assume it will land, you have to be prepared with an out in the event that it misses. The user must factor in the risk when deciding what to do, and that is what keeps WoW in check.

Would you say that 80% Stone Edge is the same as 100% Stone Edge, just because your opponent counter-plays as if it always hits?

It's a bit different. With Stone Edge you have other options. You can use a higher accuracy rock move or just a different damage dealing move all together. When you want to inflict burn, WoW is pretty much your only option. All in all, I don't think WoW is disruptive enough that it needs to have low accuracy to balance out what it does when it hits. I feel the same about most low accuracy moves to be honest.
 

Azuran

Banned
It's a bit different. With Stone Edge you have other options. You can use a higher accuracy rock move or just a different damage dealing move all together. When you want to inflict burn, WoW is pretty much your only option. All in all, I don't think WoW is disruptive enough that it needs to have low accuracy to balance out what it does when it hits. I feel the same about most low accuracy moves to be honest.

The thing about burns is that unlike Sleep and Paralyze, it also slowly drains your HP so it has more than one good use. 85% is fine considering it does a lot more damage in the long run than other conditions in the game.
 

backlot

Member
The thing about burns is that unlike Sleep and Paralyze, it also slowly drains your HP so it has more than one good use. 85% is fine considering it does a lot more damage in the long run than other conditions in the game.

I disagree. Paralysis has the dual purpose of slowing down fast Pokemon and causing them to lose turns. A paralyzed Pokemon will have a chance of doing nothing every turn for the rest of the battle. That's a pretty strong effect and Thunderwave still got to be 100% accurate. A burned Pokemon can still recover HP or buff it's attack to make up for the drops but a paralyzed Pokemon can't compensate for losing turns.
 

Junahu

Member
The effect from other 100% condition moves like Spore or Thunder Wave are what we need to compare it to. Moves that will KO a Pokémon are a different ballgame.

I want to counter the claim that a move with a 100% chance to burn would be "broken" or shift the metagame. It would have a negligible outcome.
Are we talking about vgc 2v2 by-the-way?
Burn is very much the most common status effect being flung around there (when there are physical pokes about). Accurate sleep has terrible distribution and an unreliable duration (it can last just 1 turn). Thunderwave has two immunities to deal with and tough competition from the other forms of speed control.
 

Azuran

Banned
I disagree. Paralysis has the dual purpose of slowing down fast Pokemon and causing them to lose turns. A paralyzed Pokemon will have a chance of doing nothing every turn for the rest of the battle. That's a pretty strong effect and Thunderwave still got to be 100% accurate. A burned Pokemon can still recover HP or buff it's attack to make up for the drops but a paralyzed Pokemon can't compensate for losing turns.

Honestly, if it was up to me I would make the accuracy of all status moves to 85%. It should be a risk and reward system considering how game changing some of those moves and conditions are.

Either raise WoW to 100% or lower anything else. It's just stupid that's the only move like that.
 

backlot

Member
Are we talking about vgc 2v2 by-the-way?
Burn is very much the most common status effect being flung around there (when there are physical pokes about). Accurate sleep has terrible distribution and an unreliable duration (it can last just 1 turn). Thunderwave has two immunities to deal with and tough competition from the other forms of speed control.

WoW may be the most widespread status move in VGC but don't overlook how common Thundurus and Amoonguss are. Paralysis also has the benefit of comboing well with Swagger and Rock Slide for more chances of missing turns. Heatran is also super common and acts as a WoW deterrent.

I think you have to consider the reasons why WoW is so common. Is it because its more powerful than other status effects or is it because Kang and Lando are everywhere?
 

Andrefpvs

Member
There's no reason to assume that. The last patch was just to force people to update to inject and this one just updated various bits of text, altered the name filters and fixed a few glitches that occurred and caused them to have to remove blocking nicknames on Battle Spot since that was causing disconnections.

Do you have an idea about what text was updated?
 

360pages

Member
There's no reason to assume that. The last patch was just to force people to update to inject and this one just updated various bits of text, altered the name filters and fixed a few glitches that occurred and caused them to have to remove blocking nicknames on Battle Spot since that was causing disconnections.

True, though I would like to believe, that and they are doing it for X/Y as well. They are probably updating the Text in all the games too.
 

Cindro

Member
Is it supposed to take forever to obtain your Digital Player ID? I fired up the Live Competition section of the menu for the first time ever, and I've seriously been on this screen to obtain my ID for about 12 minutes now. Am I... doing something wrong?
 
Is it supposed to take forever to obtain your Digital Player ID? I fired up the Live Competition section of the menu for the first time ever, and I've seriously been on this screen to obtain my ID for about 12 minutes now. Am I... doing something wrong?

Haha, I had the same problem. You need to first register from within the game on the PSS Battle Spot. Then you can back out and obtain your ID.
 

Azuran

Banned
Okay, watching Aaron Zheng get rekt by a Toxic Spikes Sitrus Berry Greninja makes you feel better about your dumb losses lol
 

lupinko

Member
I don't think Love Ball Togepi is actually possible. Only way to get Togepi in HG/SS is from the egg as far as I know.

You can catch them in route 230 via Pokeradar in DPPt. So bring over a Loveball from HGSS and grind awhile in Sinnoh. Also I still have the runner up Prizes I did for you sitting in the PC. :X

Edit: wait it's been a long time, I don't remember if you can even trade the special balls to Sinnoh. I have Dream Ball Togepis via Dream Radar though.
 

Cindro

Member
Haha, I had the same problem. You need to first register from within the game on the PSS Battle Spot. Then you can back out and obtain your ID.
Okay, what is going on? I went to Battle Spot within PSS, registered on pokemon-gl.com, played an actual match via Battle Spot just to be sure I was registered properly, and went back to the Live Competition option from the main menu - it's still stuck on the "Receiving the Digital Player ID" screen.

I tell ya what this is not how I planned on spending my Friday night

EDIT: Oh... apparently it's because there isn't a competition going on right now. I thought there was one for April, but maybe I misread something somewhere
 

Azuran

Banned
Okay, what is going on? I went to Battle Spot within PSS, registered on pokemon-gl.com, played an actual match via Battle Spot just to be sure I was registered properly, and went back to the Live Competition option from the main menu - it's still stuck on the "Receiving the Digital Player ID" screen.

I tell ya what this is not how I planned on spending my Friday night

EDIT: Oh... apparently it's because there isn't a competition going on right now. I thought there was one for April, but maybe I misread something somewhere

Actually, there is one going on right now. Maybe the servers are just sucking at the moment.
 

Cindro

Member
Actually, there is one going on right now. Maybe the servers are just sucking at the moment.
Would the servers really be under THAT much strain on a random Friday night six months post-launch? I don't know what else it could be though.

More pressing - is your avatar... Chuck Schuldiner with a puppy?
 

Azuran

Banned
Would the servers really be under THAT much strain on a random Friday night six months post-launch? I don't know what else it could be though.

More pressing - is your avatar... Chuck Schuldiner with a puppy?

I have no idea then. Maybe the game just doesn't like you.

Haha yes. Nothing funnier than the so called "father of death metal" being cute.
 
There is indeed a competition going on now, but you might have missed the registration date? This is my first online competition so I'm not entirely sure but that might be it.
 

backlot

Member
The live competition option on the main menu is for live, IRL competitions. For the Battlespot Tournament you just join Battlespot and choose the Online Competition option or however they named it.
 

Cindro

Member
The live competition option on the main menu is for live, IRL competitions. For the Battlespot Tournament you just join Battlespot and choose the Online Competition option or however they named it.
Oh! That explains it, then.

Do you get anything for winning these "Battlespot" tournaments?
 

backlot

Member
Oh! That explains it, then.

Do you get anything for winning these "Battlespot" tournaments?

You get Championship Points which are used to gain entrance into the World Championships. Sometimes there are participation prizes like rare berries or Pokemon with hidden abilities. I don't know if there is one for this particular tournament though.
 

Cindro

Member
You get Championship Points which are used to gain entrance into the World Championships. Sometimes there are participation prizes like rare berries or Pokemon with hidden abilities. I don't know if there is one for this particular tournament though.
Can you soft reset for these hidden ability 'mons to get the right nature?

Hidden abilities are such a joke. And not a funny one, either. There needs to be a more accessible way to obtain them.
 

backlot

Member
Can you soft reset for these hidden ability 'mons to get the right nature?

Hidden abilities are such a joke. And not a funny one, either. There needs to be a more accessible way to obtain them.

You can just breed them. Both males and females can pass on Hidden Abilities this gen.
 

Pachimari

Member
You can bring all of your Pokemon from Y to Ruby, yes. (I can't think of anything in-game you can't bring over like the cosplay Pikachu in ORAS deal.)

Pokebank is pretty much your PC in-game on steroids. 30 Pokemon per box, 100 boxes. You can organize them way better in Bank. You can have categories for them. Like I have categories of like Pokedex, Shinydex, Events, 4 Trade, Breeding, etc. You can put boxes in the categories to keep them organized. Also can name each box as well. It's awesome.
Thanks. Sounds like it's worth the yearly subscription. I'm just scared of Nintendo shutting it down and then losing all of the Pokemon.
 

JoeM86

Member
Thanks. Sounds like it's worth the yearly subscription. I'm just scared of Nintendo shutting it down and then losing all of the Pokemon.

The idea of Pokémon Bank is to last across future generations. It's not going anywhere.

If they were to shut it down, we'd have ample warning.
 

lupinko

Member
Speaking of Pokebank, because I didn't use it to back up my most important stuff. I have lost everything on my Y eshop game when I accidentally wiped it as I was supposed to wipe my Y cart (which was in my New 3DS instead).

So I have basically lost basically 80% of my Gen 6 event booty, I still have WCs on other games and my primary game being eshop AS/eshop X.

But this has taken a huge chunk out of my pokemongaming.

I knew I should have gone out to watch Furious 7 instead.

As for my RNG sweepstakes I'm going to have to delay it. This moment is basically making me rethink everything and all my time invested in the events.

And it's not just my events but half of my breeding projects were on that game too.

I'm at a lost right now.

If I was younger I would be in tears right now, but at my age now I just have silence.

I don't know if it's karma or a wake up call or anything. =/
 

JoeM86

Member
Speaking of Pokebank, because I didn't use it to back up my most important stuff. I have lost everything on my Y eshop game when I accidentally wiped it as I was supposed to wipe my Y cart (which was in my New 3DS instead).

So I have basically lost basically 80% of my Gen 6 event booty, I still have WCs on other games and my primary game being eshop AS/eshop X.

But this has taken a huge chunk out of my pokemongaming.

I knew I should have gone out to watch Furious 7 instead.

As for my RNG sweepstakes I'm going to have to delay it. This moment is basically making me rethink everything and all my time invested in the events.

And it's not just my events but half of my breeding projects were on that game too.

I'm at a lost right now.

If I was younger I would be in tears right now, but at my age now I just have silence.

I don't know if it's karma or a wake up call or anything. =/



Wow, that's just terrible :(
 

lupinko

Member
With the help of Aveyn and Muku, I basically had almost every event thus far from every region (except Jessie's Wobbafet).

Well not anymore.

For the competitive side, like I said, it's all on my other games. I can easily rebuild from the older games on up, on that case (but losing half of my projects hurts a lot tho). But my trades have taken a huge hit.

My warchest is basically gone, I have some stuff left, but I don't think I can be swimming in Arceus anymore.

I still have my collection of Diancies, I think I lost like one or two Diancies maybe, maybe one. I have other WCs on my other games. But ugh, I don't know.

I still live here in Tohoku, so if they redo Tanabata Jirachi again this year (I don't know if they will), maybe I can rebuild? But probably it's not the same anymore.

I might have to reevaluate my pokegaming. ='(

Well, unrelated but I did take up Tekken 7, so hey TekkenGAF, it looks like I'll be there more often! :D :(
 

Hegarol

Member
Speaking of Pokebank, because I didn't use it to back up my most important stuff. I have lost everything on my Y eshop game when I accidentally wiped it as I was supposed to wipe my Y cart (which was in my New 3DS instead).

So I have basically lost basically 80% of my Gen 6 event booty, I still have WCs on other games and my primary game being eshop AS/eshop X.

But this has taken a huge chunk out of my pokemongaming.

I knew I should have gone out to watch Furious 7 instead.

As for my RNG sweepstakes I'm going to have to delay it. This moment is basically making me rethink everything and all my time invested in the events.

And it's not just my events but half of my breeding projects were on that game too.

I'm at a lost right now.

If I was younger I would be in tears right now, but at my age now I just have silence.

I don't know if it's karma or a wake up call or anything. =/
What a clusterfuck :( If there is anything I can do for you just tell me :)
 

Junahu

Member
Man that's a big loss, I can't even imagine how crap that would feel

I'm willing to pitch in if you need an extra pair of hands to help rebuild your competitive projects.
 
That sucks Lupinko. I know you put a ridiculous amount of time into these games judging by some of your posts. I would be devastated. :(

btw, I'm thinking of doing a new playthrough and I want a HA Cranidos SO badly. Does anyone here have one they could possibly trade me?
 

lupinko

Member
Sigh, I also lost almost all my gen 6 Shinies, bred or caught. All my Pokebank Celebis.

I just committed pokesuicide. :/

Again competitively I'm fine, game progression wise sure, and I still have my personal WCs (I lost a bunch on that y game tho).

But for trading I'm basically done, although I still have like 50+ shiny Coro Rayquaza and maybe like 10 Shaymin. But I'm kinda subdued to try and redeem them all (that's what got me into this incident because I wanted to speed up the process).

Ugh I lost both 5iv flawless Pokescrap Victini and Shaymin.

That was a lot of work, and now it's gone.

It's not just the time I invested it's also what my pokepals did for me to in helping me build that collection.

I'm done talking about this now. :/
 

entremet

Member
Sigh, I also lost almost all my gen 6 Shinies, bred or caught. All my Pokebank Celebis.

I just committed pokesuicide. :/

Again competitively I'm fine, game progression wise sure, and I still have my personal WCs (I lost a bunch on that y game tho).

But for trading I'm basically done, although I still have like 50+ shiny Coro Rayquaza and maybe like 10 Shaymin. But I'm kinda subdued to try and redeem them all (that's what got me into this incident because I wanted to speed up the process).

Ugh I lost both 5iv flawless Pokescrap Victini and Shaymin.

That was a lot of work, and now it's gone.

It's not just the time I invested it's also what my pokepals did for me to in helping me build that collection.

I'm done talking about this now. :/

How did this happen? I don't get it.

I thought the modern games do save backups to prevent corruption.
 

Azuran

Banned
omg, sorry about your losses lupinko. I don't even know how I would react if something catastrophic like that happened to me.
 

backlot

Member
Sorry to hear about your loss, Lupinko. It's shit like this that makes me wish Nintendo would allow save file backups. People invest a lot of time in these games.
 

entremet

Member
Sorry to hear about your loss, Lupinko. It's shit like this that makes me wish Nintendo would allow save file backups. People invest a lot of time in these games.

I thought the 3DS did do this? The Wii U doesn't.

Actually not sure if it works with cart based 3DS games.
 

backlot

Member
I thought the 3DS did do this? The Wii U doesn't.

Actually not sure if it works with cart based 3DS games.
It does but I'm not sure what the limitations on those backups are though. If my 3DS dies will the backups work on a new system? It also doesn't allow backups of Pokemon or Animal Crossing which is a shame because those are the only games worth backing up in my opinion.
 

c-murph

Member
Speaking of Pokebank, because I didn't use it to back up my most important stuff. I have lost everything on my Y eshop game when I accidentally wiped it as I was supposed to wipe my Y cart (which was in my New 3DS instead).

So I have basically lost basically 80% of my Gen 6 event booty, I still have WCs on other games and my primary game being eshop AS/eshop X.

But this has taken a huge chunk out of my pokemongaming.

I knew I should have gone out to watch Furious 7 instead.

As for my RNG sweepstakes I'm going to have to delay it. This moment is basically making me rethink everything and all my time invested in the events.

And it's not just my events but half of my breeding projects were on that game too.

I'm at a lost right now.

If I was younger I would be in tears right now, but at my age now I just have silence.

I don't know if it's karma or a wake up call or anything. =/

God damn that must suck.

But on the bright side you get the joys of starting your collection all over again. It'll be like another adventure; like searching for the Dragon Balls year after year.
 

entremet

Member
It does but I'm not sure what the limitations on those backups are though. If my 3DS dies will the backups work on a new system? It also doesn't allow backups of Pokemon or Animal Crossing which is a shame because those are the only games worth backing up in my opinion.

I haven't messed with it much honestly.

Weird about Pokemon/AC. You're right. Those are the games that needed it.
 

Muku

Member
I haven't messed with it much honestly.

Weird about Pokemon/AC. You're right. Those are the games that needed it.

Agree, but I imagine they're afraid folks will use it as some kind of cloning method, yeah? How would they be able to do a backup without folks abusing it?
 

entremet

Member
Agree, but I imagine they're afraid folks will use it as some kind of cloning method, yeah? How would they be able to do a backup without folks abusing it?

It's crazy how GF is just so obsessed with collecting meta that they're so many restrictions--single save files and such still.
 

Muku

Member
It's crazy how GF is just so obsessed with collecting meta that they're so many restrictions--single save files and such still.

I agree. The single file stuff sucks so much. I don't get what would be so wrong about additional save files. Sometimes I want to replay through but not lose my main game. But that's where they get you to buy more copies of the game. I see it as they don't want to give up a cash cow. :/
 

Ahnez

Member
Thats terrible to hear :/

Agree, but I imagine they're afraid folks will use it as some kind of cloning method, yeah? How would they be able to do a backup without folks abusing it?
Every abusable action (those that require forced saves) also updates the backup and changes the encription key (stored in the backup, and also stored in the game card/file)
If you want to backup, it will replace the save with the backup if the two keys are equal (and thus, making it impossible to use older backups to clone things)

This (very simple) process has some flaws but it works. Its actually the same process I used in a college project this year

Its not hard to implement, its just that GF doesn't care.. Because even an average second year CS student like myself can find a solution. I'm sure they could find a (much better) solution if they wanted to
 

Muku

Member
Thats terrible to hear :/


Every abusable action (those that require forced saves) also updates the backup and changes the encription key (stored in the backup, and also stored in the game card/file)
If you want to backup, it will replace the save with the backup if the two keys are equal (and thus, making it impossible to use older backups to clone things)

This (very simple) process has some flaws but it works. Its actually the same process I used in a college project this year

Its not hard to implement, its just that GF doesn't care.. Because even an average second year CS student like myself can find a solution. I'm sure they could find a (much better) solution if they wanted to

But I think you forget about PokeBank. They throw everything into the Bank, then refresh their save with the backup. I think that's where the GF paranoia would begin about "cloning".
Unless I'm missing something important that would counter that.
 

Ahnez

Member
But I think you forget about PokeBank. They throw everything into the Bank, then refresh their save with the backup. I think that's where the GF paranoia would begin about "cloning".
Unless I'm missing something important that would counter that.
Acessing the bank falls on the "abusable actions" criteria :)

Just like it modifies the game save file, it should also update the backup
 
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