Pokémon ORAS: October website update - Screens, Trailer, new Megas
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This just sold me on the game.
Possible but we can't say for sure those are the stats just yet. We don't have enough sample data
Not changing Kanto so that Pokemon there were still only level 40 or so. I got there, realized how much grinding I'd have to do in order to fight the Elite 4 again, and just gave up. I already did that in Silver nearly a decade before. I wasn't going to do that all over again. Meanwhile, in Diamond/Pearl, there's Pokemon level 50 and above in the wild. It's ridiculous that HGSS didn't fix this issue.
I figured they were going to drop the trainer customization thing, but that doesn't make me any happier about it. I usually don't care about such features, but I actually really enjoyed it in gen 6. I also loved having my own unique trainer I could see in online battles (which I did a lot of). Now everyone's just going to look the same.
I get the reasoning behind it, but I don't agree with it. If fashion is something unique to Kalos, then make customization available through a simple shop menu and don't have stores dedicated to it.
That is, like, the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard given for removing a feature; apparently customizing your damn character and an adventurous feel are mutually exclusive now?
And giving it more of a look, the soaring seems rather limited. It doesn't appear that you can actually ascend and descend (you revert to the same longitude you were flying in after the barrel roll, so the maneuver look to be theatrics), you can only change the direction in which you're flying and speed up. Looks like something I'll enjoy for a few minutes, then use only to get the legendaries exclusive to the mode.
I'm sure that they're doing what they can with the hardware, but the more I look at the gif, the less hyped I am about the possibilities of actually flying this time around. Maybe games on the next hardware will better flesh it out
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And giving it more of a look, the soaring seems rather limited. It doesn't appear that you can actually ascend and descend (you revert to the same longitude you were flying in after the barrel roll, so the maneuver look to be theatrics), you can only change the direction in which you're flying and speed up. Looks like something I'll enjoy for a few minutes, then use only to get the legendaries exclusive to the mode.
I'm sure that they're doing what they can with the hardware, but the more I look at the gif, the less hyped I am about the possibilities of actually flying this time around. Maybe games on the next hardware will better flesh it out
if it's not removed first
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I hope Masuda catches so much shit for the terrible reasoning behind dropping customization.
Yaphett Kotto
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If they don't have the Battle Frontier, I'm just going to pick this up on a price drop.
Fucking ridiculous that this remake is looking more and more like a second thought, than a proper one.
I can live without customization, but BF is a big thing for me.
Fucking ridiculous that this remake is looking more and more like a second thought, than a proper one.
I can live without customization, but BF is a big thing for me.
THE TEXTBOXES! THE NOSTALGIA!
Can't wait for this game.
That said, Exp. Share being back in...yeah, no. Get rid of that shit. Even though it was far from the only problem with X and Y's completely brain dead difficulty, it was a large part of it. Don't want the remake of one of my all-time favorite games to be shitted up with it.
The Bankslammer
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I certainly don't think every feature from every prior generation should return. That's obviously unrealistic and some features are naturally higher priority than others. Trainer customization felt like something that's a natural progression and should become a central part of the series rather than a nice convenience or a distraction on the side that appears in one game and is never seen again, as that quote seems to have made it out to be (it being a characteristic part of Kalos).
I think that having an alternate female playable character in FRLG is a decent point of comparison. You can play as the original character (albeit redesigned, but nonetheless...) if you're concerned about maintaining that aspect of the original game, but if you wish to have your character reflect yourself better (or any other reason you may wish to have a different character), you have that option too. I don't think that takes away from its remake status.
It's not a huge deal, and I hardly even used customization in XY, I just disagree with the logic. I feel pretty confident about it being present in Gen 7, nonetheless.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
No player customization? Gamefreak strikes again.
So I guess only tan people can exist in a region based on France, eh? Dat logic.
So I guess only tan people can exist in a region based on France, eh? Dat logic.
Here's a shocking concept:THE TEXTBOXES! THE NOSTALGIA!
Can't wait for this game.
That said, Exp. Share being back in...yeah, no. Get rid of that shit. Even though it was far from the only problem with X and Y's completely brain dead difficulty, it was a large part of it. Don't want the remake of one of my all-time favorite games to be shitted up with it.
Just... don't use it?
DXLelouch153
Banned
October 21st is when the newsletter is sent
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
As I said, you're making a huge slippery slope. Gen 3 Remake not having customization doesn't imply Gen 7 won't have them. I mean, with that logic, Gen 4 won't have day/night because of Gen 3 not having them.
It's like you people never read my posts.
And yes, you guys are easily waaaay too hyped on the flying. As I said on the other post, it's really just for legendary hunting. If it was meant for flying, honestly I would prefer the old "click to fly".
Technically speaking there were already plans to use a female character in the first gen.
Also when people really say "removed features", they're looking at it in a static way. People complained for instance about removing following Pokemon, but PokemonAmie fills that much better (more use, less "annoyance").
Customizations have a high chance of returning in 7. A remake is a remake.
20th iirc
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Especially stupid since Hoenn is based off an area of Japan where tans can be very common.
A) Why are people whining about EXP Share? Just don't use it, its not mandatory. If you want extra difficulty and can't control yourself, that's YOUR problem, not the game's problem. They already give you a choice.
B) How is it being a "remake" a defense of losing customization (assuming they mean skin color and such in addition to clothes)? A remake implies not everything will be the same and every modern feature of the series is expected to be present here. That being said, I agree this has no implication of the presence of customization in Gen 7.
Unless there is some major story rewrite that turn Brendan and May into real characters (which there won't be), Matsuda's reasoning is shitty :/
B) How is it being a "remake" a defense of losing customization (assuming they mean skin color and such in addition to clothes)? A remake implies not everything will be the same and every modern feature of the series is expected to be present here. That being said, I agree this has no implication of the presence of customization in Gen 7.
Unless there is some major story rewrite that turn Brendan and May into real characters (which there won't be), Matsuda's reasoning is shitty :/
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Mostly because that's how did the older remakes. They removed some features from the current gen to "retro-fy" the remake for some odd reason. HG/SS is the least offender whereas FR/LG dealt the most damage.
surely it's not because it has been a precedent of Pokemon remakes! nope!
JetBlackPanda
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So can I change the outfits of my trainer or not?
Seriously. After getting that option and seeing how fast I could raise a good Pokemon from scratch while doing main game things, I never want the option to be removed ever.
Now then, what's all this about customization being gone?
That was like the second best part of X/Y. All anyone needed to do was add more clothing, especially on the guys' side. I want a trenchcoat/blazer dammit.WrenchNinja
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The fuck? You can't customise your character? What the hell Gamefreak? I thought the XY move was fantastic for you know, a world wide franchise with a multicultural fanbase, and now they want to to regress?
The list of things you have to avoid using to not make X and Y piss-easy is far longer than Exp. Share.
Don't use:
-Any Mega Evolutions, they forgot to balance the game around its new big feature
-The two Pokemon on par with your starter that are just given to you and don't require you to work for them at all
-Don't catch everything, since it's now grinding and gives you exp (even though it's encouraged and a counter-argument often used in favor of the exp share)
-Pokemon Amie or Super Training, it breaks the main game
-Don't use the Battle Chateau, as that will level your Pokemon up way too damn fast.
-The legendary that you're forced to catch (this one's a more minor complaint, but seriously, it worked in B/W because the last two battles were balanced around it. Here, it's too early and the rest of the game isn't. At least make them hard to catch. I mean, legendaries have never been too balanced, but at least you had to work for them more or go out of your way to get them. Here, you have to get them, and it's easy to do.)
-More than three Pokemon. Sort of joking more with this one, but god dammit, this was my biggest problem with B/W and B2/W2 and they didn't fix it. Why do gym leaders limit themselves like this still?
-And, most of all, the experience share. Unlike the above, they actually tried to balance the game around this (as evidenced by having the highest-leveled first run-through champion in the series). But they still failed, as even if you ignore all of the above (which I actually did my first run through of the game), this one thing will still constantly put you several levels above the next boss.
I know this isn't everything, but seriously. Exp Share isn't the only problem with X and Y's difficulty, in fact, it's far from it. It returning makes me worried that they haven't learned anything from those games. They introduce these big new features that have a potential to be really cool and awesome, but then they don't balance the game around them, when they really need to. Pokemon's never been a very challenging game, but it's never been anywhere near this braindead, and it got its sense of difficulty from limiting your resources. Now, it still balances itself around those types of limits, but it gives you so many resources that you have to restrict yourself from using just about any of them if you want to play the game with any sense of difficulty. It's flat-out bad game design and I was really disappointed with it. R/S/E are some of my favorite games of all-time, and it worries me that this type of bad design will be in the remakes.
That sucks. And the reasoning is even more annoying. It's like game designers don't respect the intelligence of the people buying their games.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I wonder how you complained about FRLG with certain mons being unable to evolve in the main game and stuff like berries being unavailable, or with HGSS removing Poketch. I am waiting for you conclusion about Gen 7 and the X2/Y2/Z game to have no customization too.
it's not like a new thing - if you use Surf with a Lapras in XY rather than a generic undersea surfboard you ride Lapras
Ehh I'd argue Pokemon isn't even that hard to begin with, and it feels like XY is more catered to the "meta".
How the hell do I manage to be so underleveled for each boss I encounter...
I guess I need to use my starters/ideal team more...
Seriously barely use them now since I spend so much time keeping everyone up to speed.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Seriously.
In fact, I'm laughing hard at people claiming Whitney's Miltank is hard. And I was a noob who only used the starter AND it was a Quilava back then.
PreyingShark
Member
You realize that only using 3 Pokemon is the trick to making any Pokemon game an absolute joke right
Pokemon is easy.
Pokemon is not brain-dead. X and Y are fucking braindead games.
It's like comparing some shitty flashgame platformer to Super Mario World. Both are probably easy, but that doesn't mean Super Mario World is braindead.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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A lot of people complained about that stuff in FRLG and HGSS. I'm not sure why mistakes GF made 10 years ago are apparently a defense for them using the faultiest logic ever to justify removing a feature people liked.
ArchedThunder
Banned
In XY? I have absolutely no idea how you could be always under leveled for the next boss in XY if you are using the EXP share.
It's as simple as turning off the EXP Share.
Yes, you get XP from other sources, but nobody is forcing you to grind the Battle Chateau. You don't have to keep the Legendary in your team. You don't have to use mega evos. Why even mention these things?
It's braindead because YOU chose to make it braindead.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And yet hilariously enough when people speak of difficulty, they tend to refer to the third version.
BW was as easy as XY, and when people claim BW had "hard Elite 4!!!" they refer to BW2 iteration where they have better mons.
And when all what's said is done, XY still has superior mechanics.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
That's not even remotely true
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I managed to defeat Elesa with Samurott. It's a game, like any Pokemon games, where you can easily plow through with "favorite starter".
All Pokemon games are easy.
XY is the only Pokemon game that lets me keep a full and reasonably leveled (sometimes overleveled) party without a formidable amount of griding and/or time wasting. I have incentive to explore full party synergy and raise more Pokemon throughout the course of the main story.
XY wins.
XY is the only Pokemon game that lets me keep a full and reasonably leveled (sometimes overleveled) party without a formidable amount of griding and/or time wasting. I have incentive to explore full party synergy and raise more Pokemon throughout the course of the main story.
XY wins.
I just got the 4th badge (the tree where everyone use plant type pkmns).
I'm using EXp share all the time and I have something like 5-6 boxes of pkmns I can use (count 1 box for pkmn to trade, 1 for foreign pkmn and 1 full of eevees because I can).
I've got 4-5 boxes with pkmns at lvl 25 (actually there's still a box full of lvl20), 7 pkmns at lvl 33 on average (starter chespin full evolved at 38).
i just encountered gym leaders at lvl34 and most encounters in the gym were way over my lvl (save for my starter).
I had to play with elemental weakness to make it through.
I'm 60hrs in and I really need Dittos to breed
I'll get there eventually
ArchedThunder
Banned
So it's the player's fault if they don't ignore half of the game's features. Okay. I shouldn't HAVE to ignore tons of the game's content just to have something resembling a challenge.
They need to bring back the original EXP share as a separate item at the very least.
I just listed everything that makes the game easy, but please, ignore that. There's so many cool new features in these games, but they completely failed to balance them at all. You have to completely ignore just about every one of them to make the game even slightly difficult.
BW was not as easy as X and Y. It was easy, but there were times I had to think. I had to decide when to swap out, when to use a revive during a boss fight, etc. The game didn't basically beat itself for me like X and Y do.
WrenchNinja
Member
How is this a defense or justification for it? Trying to be like the old games, so let's remove multiple skin tones and go with lighter skin tone only? It's fucking gross.
Pokemon has always been a joke, difficulty-wise - especially if you're into the metagame.
The real difficulty comes from completing your collection, finishing all of the content in any given game, battling other players online, etc.
You guys are almost as fickle as Zelda fans, geeze.
The real difficulty comes from completing your collection, finishing all of the content in any given game, battling other players online, etc.
You guys are almost as fickle as Zelda fans, geeze.
Uhm.... I don't think that was the intent. At all.