Shell Smash + Baton Pass
Pair it up with a durable sweeper with wide coverage to wreck shop.
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Pokémon XY |OT3| How's That? Owned, Suckah!
- Thread starter ColtraineGF
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Pair it up with a durable sweeper with wide coverage to wreck shop.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. It's similar to breeding genderless. Huge pain in the ass.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Neat! What should its other two moves be? Surf and Psychic?
Also, what's a good item for Unburden Hawlucha since Flying Gem isn't available yet? I'm thinking either Lum or Sitrus Berry.
But those beldum get me anything I want on GTS. Legendaries, hidden abilities, anything
theprodigy
Member
no, some tournaments are just Kalosdex only and I suppose they want to filter out 5th gen-exclusive moves
Oh, you're so right. It's very sought after.
Oooh nice. I should finish my German Y playthrough as well. Need some of those wonderful foreign Dittos
Keep fighting the good fight, I've been MMing for a shiny Swellow for about a week now and haven't been lucky yet (though I am at the point where the mother taillow has perfect IVs). I need it to finish up the doubles team I am putting together. It's a pretty tiring process, but, I've been making sure to take breaks to do other things I want to do in the game so it hasn't been toooooo bad.
Speaking of which, if anyone here has a non-english male pokemon in the flying group with good IVs for MMing I'd be grateful to you. I'm using a japanese ditto with attack and speed, which really is all Swellow needs, but, having more would be cool too.
Man, I never realized how great Furfrou are at tanking physical hits until I trained my shiny one. It took about 5 Metal Claws from a Scizor in the Battle Maison before getting downed by a crit. The Scizor was in red health when Furfrou finally fainted. Its EV spread is 184 HP, 252 attack, 60 defense, and 12 speed. My strategy is to use Thunder Wave, then start spamming flinching moves, like Headbutt and Bite. It also has Cotton Guard to further boost its defenses. It also looks fabulous while paraflinching its enemies. In short, Furfrou is awesome and you should train one up. It's not to be underestimated.
ColtraineGF
Member
As noted in the rules for that dragon tournament:
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonryuoh/rule/game.html
The Pokemon that can be used are anyone in the National Pokedex (#718 and below), excluding the usual suspects (Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genosect, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde).
As for the specific rule regarding the usable Pokemon:
Any Pokemon that are transferred from PokeBank which came from the G5 games specifically are not usable *as they are*. I suppose they mean that you'd have to breed 'em in order to get a usable copy.
Also noted is the moves that they can use:
-Learned through level up
-Learned from a TM/HM
-Egg move
-Move tutor
-Distro mons with special moves
This, combined with the fact that you can't use PBmons without breeding them, means that they are neatly paring down the usable movelist - if it can't be passed through breeding in XY, then there is no using the move.
They are probably going to be using this ruleset for VGCs in the future, I imagine.
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokemonryuoh/rule/game.html
The Pokemon that can be used are anyone in the National Pokedex (#718 and below), excluding the usual suspects (Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genosect, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde).
As for the specific rule regarding the usable Pokemon:
That is, any Pokémon who was received through normal gameplay in XY (caught, hatched from an egg, received through ingame trade or as a gift, or from an event distro).
Any Pokemon that are transferred from PokeBank which came from the G5 games specifically are not usable *as they are*. I suppose they mean that you'd have to breed 'em in order to get a usable copy.
Also noted is the moves that they can use:
-Learned through level up
-Learned from a TM/HM
-Egg move
-Move tutor
-Distro mons with special moves
This, combined with the fact that you can't use PBmons without breeding them, means that they are neatly paring down the usable movelist - if it can't be passed through breeding in XY, then there is no using the move.
They are probably going to be using this ruleset for VGCs in the future, I imagine.
Deified Data
Banned
I paired him with Power Herb and Sky Attack...
I was kidding, it was a joke about them being relatively unknown.
SenorArdilla
Member
I always thought that those two gained popularity in Gen V (more Gorebyss than Huntail) because they were two of the only three Pokémon able to perform the infamous SmashPass.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
That's really unreliable though, considering that Sky Attack becomes nigh-useless on him after its initial use. I mean, I can do almost twice the damage using Acrobatics two turns in a row rather than chargin and using Sky Attack once. Plus, SA makes you extremely vulnerable to switches/Super Effective damage for a turn, as well as stopping someone who's supposed to be a sweeper cold in their tracks. Sitrus Berry lets me recoup from a missed HJK which would otherwise have ruined a sweep, whereas Lum Berry adds protection from Burns, Sleep and Paralysis, allowing him to sweep uninhibited.
I'm running Acrobatics/Swords Dance/Hi Jump Kick/Baton Pass, for the record.
I really like that, if they use it for VGC, it locks hacks and even RNG abused Pokémon out.
Not that it matters due to the ease of IV passing now, but still.
theprodigy
Member
ahahaha
have you seen the new hacks?
edit: wait not National Dex?
doubt that's the VGC ruleset
I feel this is the main reason they made these things so accessible now.
It is National Pokédex..."The Pokemon that can be used are anyone in the National Pokedex (#718 and below), excluding the usual suspects (Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genosect, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde)."
Also, there are no hacks. There is one person who physically hacked his cartridge to get some things...that's all
User 73706
Banned
I think he's saying some of the retroactive prep BW2 is getting for the switch over to XY.
SkullHydra
Member
I don't know who I am anymore. Was I someone of importance? Did I battle Pokémon with my friends? Friends... did I have any? It's been so long since I set off on this journey, I don't know what's real anymore. Why am I doing this? What goal did I have in mind when I set off on this task? Did I know it would lead to this?
Those purple demons have become bolder of late. I now catch glimpses of them in complete daylight. Their short twisted forms, like long lost people morphed into terrifying visages of their former selves. What purpose do those gems provide to them? Why do they continue to stalk me? There's no way I could resist an attack from them, so why haven't they taken the opportunity? Are they leading me to some unknown destination? Are they just here to fuel this madness I feel dwelling inside of me?
I know only one thing. I must find that special Sableye... it's the only clear thought I have. This singular thought is the only thing that fuels me. Nothing else matters... it will be MINE!
Those purple demons have become bolder of late. I now catch glimpses of them in complete daylight. Their short twisted forms, like long lost people morphed into terrifying visages of their former selves. What purpose do those gems provide to them? Why do they continue to stalk me? There's no way I could resist an attack from them, so why haven't they taken the opportunity? Are they leading me to some unknown destination? Are they just here to fuel this madness I feel dwelling inside of me?
I know only one thing. I must find that special Sableye... it's the only clear thought I have. This singular thought is the only thing that fuels me. Nothing else matters... it will be MINE!
Deified Data
Banned
I don't treat Sky Attack as anything other than a one-off high damage speed boost - it's not something I'd bother using after my Power Herb was consumed. Plus it's useful to me to be able to decide when I want my speed boost as opposed to waiting to be damaged enough for a Sitrus berry to activate, especially considering I'm not going to send out Hawlucha without casting Reflect and Light Screen first. Swords Dance, Sky Attack, and then he's in pure sweep mode from there on out. Our movesets are identical except for Baton Pass/Sky Attack. I guess my build requires total commitment once he's set up, but it's worked for me so far.
I too would prefer a Flying Gem set, but I'm making due until that point. I'm fairly confident we're going to be able to win elemental gems from the "attractions" on the Global Link site. They have to come from somewhere - we have the Normal Gem in-game after all.
ColtraineGF
Member
Cool that they found a solution to hacked Pokemon.
oh lol
Wait, Regigigas is legal?
ColtraineGF
Member
If it's distributed in XY somehow, sure.
SenorArdilla
Member
So only Pokemon that have been bred or caught in the XY games can be used?
I meant if it was legal beforehand.
theprodigy
Member
Regigigas is garbage though
and regarding that ruleset, unless you're telling me Cresselia and Thundurus (and others) are banned, I'm pretty sure it just means you must have gen 6 compatible movesets, i.e. hacked Pokemon can simply be modified to not carry moves it can't have in X/Y
Well, if you swap his ability out by using a cofagarious to give him munny or something he'll turn good.
It specifically says in the rules for this tournament that transferred Pokémon aren't eligible.
Could just be for this tournament though
PreyingShark
Member
*applauds* Welcome to the club.Guess what, motherf*ckers:
Not only is that a shiny version of one of my favourite new Pokémon; it's a shiny perfect version of one of my favourite new Pokémon with the best possible nature and ability, and perfect IVs in every stat except for Sp. Attack.
Massive props to the folks at Nuggetbridge for making the hyper-useful Instacheck tool, Firestorm for helping me set up the whole shebang, and BowserSama for having the correct shiny ID and kindly hatching my egg for me.
Goddamn, I am so excited and happy right now~
PreyingShark
Member
EDIT: Sure, MicH, lemme get on.
I do know one who shouldn't be a problem, though, so I should be good.
When I start my Japanese Pokemon Y playthrough later I better be able to get at least one of my several Ditto friends registered!
I do know one who shouldn't be a problem, though, so I should be good.
Fury Sense
Member
Oh man. This is big! There were so many times I saw mons that could only learn moves through previous gens like Defog for example.
theprodigy
Member
Every tournament has a diffferent ruleset regarding eligible Pokemon, thanks VGC for not laying anything out
competitive players want everything in though, so good luck
Mother Green
Member
Shiny Hawlucha looks really stunning! Congrats, Scrafty!
I even managed to catch a shiny Gyarados...-___-
SkullHydra
Member
Man, I can't do anything this battle. I need to change my team up.