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AntoneM

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I know it's passe, but it amazes me that there is a more than viable candidate to be the head of our government whose general campaign strategy is to say that government can't do anything right and just gets in the way. So, he wants people to elect him so that he can help those people as little as possible. *sigh*
 
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RDreamer

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Israel is also a telling example. Like the United States, the state of Israel has a culture that is based upon individual freedom and the rule of law. It is a democracy that has embraced liberty, both political and economic. This embrace has created conditions that have enabled innovators and entrepreneurs to make the desert bloom. In the face of improbable odds, Israel today is a world leader in fields ranging from medicine to information technology.
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But... But I still don't get it. I thought Obamacare was terrible government overreach that stifled freedom and stomped on the entrepreneurial spirit. I thought socialist countries would never make strides in medicine. But here you are, saying that a country with socialized medicine is still very free, and is even a world leader!

Hmmm... something about your narrative doesn't make sense, Mitt.
 
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
How on Earth can we be talking about bad campaigns and not mention the LAST GOP campaign?! Hello, SARAH PALIN ring any bells? Suspending your campaign? Running a cranky old dude against a completely charismatic game changer?

Yes, Romney is a terrible candidate and an even-worse campaigner, but seriously, unless/until he pulls the double-whammy of saying, "let's put things on hold for a moment to collect our thoughts" while also saying "here's this know-nothing twit one botched skin cancer surgery away from the big red button," this can't possibly be the worst campaign.

The big issue right now is that this is probably as wide as the distance will get. 43-47 more or less represents the minimum number of Republicans and the maximum number of Democrats. Romney's problem is that he has nothing to run on so he'll have to not only run a perfect attack-style campaign, but also not make any McCain-level fuckups along the way (signs point to yes, Romney will fuck this up).
 
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Jooney

Member
That Romney Op-Ed is a frothy mixture of Liberty Porn and Dog Whistles. It's not meant to make sense for people like us.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
In the America they designed, we would have economic freedom, just as we would have political and religious freedom. Here, we would not be limited by the circumstance of birth nor directed by the supposedly informed hand of government.
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Which is why your entire party's platform as of late has been "lets work to worsen the disadvantageous circumstances the poor and impoverished are born into"

Fuck off Romney
 
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Cyan said:
Pssssh. A term used by namby-pamby libs to avoid getting banned for calling someone racist.
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I know you're joking, but there is a difference between saying "these people are intentionally inciting latent racial fears in an effort to cause a specific reaction," and "these people are saying racist things because they are racist."

Not for you, just for any drivers-by that might not think about it.
 
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pigeon

Banned
I had an interesting chat with my father-in-law today. He's an archetypal Reagan Republican -- rural, socially conservative former small business owner with a deep distrust of government regulators. He only watches Fox News, he thinks Sarah Palin got a bad rap, and he contends that all the Congressmen, Republican and Democrat alike, are more or less corrupt and self-serving. He's exactly the kind of person -- and regular voter -- I never get to talk to living in the Bay Area, in fact, so it was a good opportunity to get more understanding of people like him.

Some of the stuff he had to say was pretty interesting -- he thinks that Obama hasn't done enough to help small businesses, and while he understands the context of "didn't build that" he thinks that even in context small business owners will find it offensive while they're struggling to make payroll -- he thinks that the government should provide business owners with more financial support to deal with the reams of government regulations they have to comply with. He suggested that some of the stimulus choices, or the health care act, are more conditioned towards the needs of the urban professional/service worker than the rural self-employed, which seems at least possible to me -- as I said, I don't really know much about the things that affect rural business owners. Unfortunately, some of the other stuff he had to say was pretty uninformed -- he did mention the "Congress exempt from Obamacare" thing until I googled it for him. He thinks Obama is an okay guy, but blames him for not being able to break the partisan gridlock, which seems somewhat naive to me, although when I pointed out Republican intransigence, he suggested that Obama should've used his charisma to make his case directly to the voters, which is definitely something I wish he'd done as well. He was sympathetic -- he said "I wanted Obama to be successful" -- but not really approving of his performance.

On the other hand, he hates Mitt Romney. He mentioned some of Romney's earlier gaffes (the "I didn't make that much from speeches, only $300,000 or so" thing) and said straight up that he doesn't think Romney has any understanding of people like him and their problems -- nor that he even seems interested. He's a businessman, he observed, but not one that has ever had to deal with the real issues of running a business. He's also not a big fan of Mormons, unfortunately. I doubt he'd vote for Obama, but he's definitely not going to vote for Mitt Romney. He might write in Herman Cain, though.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
pigeon said:
I had an interesting chat with my father-in-law today. He's an archetypal Reagan Republican -- rural, socially conservative former small business owner with a deep distrust of government regulators. He only watches Fox News, he thinks Sarah Palin got a bad rap, and he contends that all the Congressmen, Republican and Democrat alike, are more or less corrupt and self-serving. He's exactly the kind of person -- and regular voter -- I never get to talk to living in the Bay Area, in fact, so it was a good opportunity to get more understanding of people like him.

Some of the stuff he had to say was pretty interesting -- he thinks that Obama hasn't done enough to help small businesses, and while he understands the context of "didn't build that" he thinks that even in context small business owners will find it offensive while they're struggling to make payroll -- he thinks that the government should provide business owners with more financial support to deal with the reams of government regulations they have to comply with. He suggested that some of the stimulus choices, or the health care act, are more conditioned towards the needs of the urban professional/service worker than the rural self-employed, which seems at least possible to me -- as I said, I don't really know much about the things that affect rural business owners. Unfortunately, some of the other stuff he had to say was pretty uninformed -- he did mention the "Congress exempt from Obamacare" thing until I googled it for him. He thinks Obama is an okay guy, but blames him for not being able to break the partisan gridlock, which seems somewhat naive to me, although when I pointed out Republican intransigence, he suggested that Obama should've used his charisma to make his case directly to the voters, which is definitely something I wish he'd done as well. He was sympathetic -- he said "I wanted Obama to be successful" -- but not really approving of his performance.

On the other hand, he hates Mitt Romney. He mentioned some of Romney's earlier gaffes (the "I didn't make that much from speeches, only $300,000 or so" thing) and said straight up that he doesn't think Romney has any understanding of people like him and their problems -- nor that he even seems interested. He's a businessman, he observed, but not one that has ever had to deal with the real issues of running a business. He's also not a big fan of Mormons, unfortunately. I doubt he'd vote for Obama, but he's definitely not going to vote for Mitt Romney. He might write in Herman Cain, though.
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You totally had me til the last five words.
 
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kehs

Banned
pigeon said:
He thinks Obama is an okay guy, but blames him for not being able to break the partisan gridlock, which seems somewhat naive to me, although when I pointed out Republican intransigence, he suggested that Obama should've used his charisma to make his case directly to the voters, which is definitely something I wish he'd done as well.
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This is actually something he's done alot of, #dontdoublemyrates for example.
 
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metalslimer

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The fact that Herman Cain was the frontrunner at one point still gives me chills.

Edit: What the voters want don't matter. The voters have been in favor of raising taxes for a long time and republicans don't give a shit.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
cartoon_soldier said:
I believe currently all the GOP candidates are faring similarly against Baldwin, well Hovde and Thompson at least.
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Hovde is relatively unknown at this point, I think he'd be the easiest to beat when he's actually put in front of the voters. He's run as an unabashed teabagger whereas Ron Johnson and Scott Walker put on a "Well shucks, I'm just a conservative outsider fed up with business as usual!" schtick and the media lapped it up.

An Obama/Thompson voter is easier to imagine than an Obama/Hovde voter, and if Obama's losing Wisconsin things have gotten really shit.
 
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ToxicAdam

Member
pigeon said:
and said straight up that he doesn't think Romney has any understanding of people like him and their problems -- nor that he even seems interested. .
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I said this long ago, but this is why Romney cannot win in November. He can't pull a "Scott Brown" and roll up in a pickup truck with his flannel shirt on and pass himself off as anything other than he is. It goes alot deeper than his Bain past or his numerous minor gaffes. It's who he is.

The only thing midwesterners distrust more than Ivy League elitists are slicked-back Wall Street raiders. So, it should be no surprise when he gets trounced in PA, MI and beaten in OH, WI and MO.
 
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
ToxicAdam said:
I said this long ago, but this is why Romney cannot win in November. He can't pull a "Scott Brown" and roll up in a pickup truck with his flannel shirt on and pass himself off as anything other than he is. It goes alot deeper than his Bain past or his numerous minor gaffes. It's who he is.

The only thing midwesterners distrust more than Ivy League elitists are slicked-back Wall Street raiders. So, it should be no surprise when he gets trounced in PA, MI and beaten in OH, WI and MO.
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Several thoughts:

1. You are so, sooo fucking correct here. Good measure of mid-western-ness.

2. Holy crap you gave me an image of Romney in a ballcap, sitting on a tractor. LMAO.

3. I can't speak for the rest of the states you mentioned, but I'd be surprised if Romney loses MO. You might be forgetting that much of the suburban midwest (especially suburbs outside the rustbelt like KC and STL) sometimes pretend like they're not the same white trash as the people that live 15 minutes further out. You see it everywhere -- SUVs and vanity religious gatherings and yuk-yuks about high taxes, like they're making much more than the average joe. They're voting for Romney because they don't think they're that far away from him. But I'll give you everyone else.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Big Baybee said:
Kosmo banned?
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Kosmo gets banned like the Joker gets sent to Arkham.

Romney just seems to not be comfortable with any of this, it feels like he is constantly on edge. Part of it is probably this is one of the few times he's been out of his bubble (the one you find yourself in when you grow up super wealthy) and the other part is I don't think he understood what running for president/being president really entailed. I mean the president has more power over foreign policy than he does the economy and he just straight up botched it.
 
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jamesinclair

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Look what I found in my spam box, a nice email from a tea party congressman, Nunes.

Get government out of my highway system!

Dear Friends,



I recently took a ride in Google’s experimental driverless car. An engineer drove us to a certain spot, then took his hands off the wheel, his feet off the pedals, and flipped a switch. From there, the car drove along a pre-programmed route completely on its own based on radar, GPS, and other data.

...

According to the engineers, this technology, which they hope to put on the market in the next few years, could significantly reduce road accidents, allow more cars onto the existing road infrastructure, and shorten travel times.

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This breakthrough innovation is a testament to the ingenuity of American business. It stands in stark contrast to government planners who have an inexplicable, romantic attachment to trains.

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There’s a clear choice here between two visions: investing tens of billions of dollars we don’t have in a train project whose principal model is mired in scandal, corruption, and death, or asking the government to simply get out of the way and let the creative genius of the private sector blaze a trail into the future.
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Thats right folks, leave transportation to the private sector, which builds our roads and highway.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
RDreamer said:
But... But I still don't get it. I thought Obamacare was terrible government overreach that stifled freedom and stomped on the entrepreneurial spirit. I thought socialist countries would never make strides in medicine. But here you are, saying that a country with socialized medicine is still very free, and is even a world leader!

Hmmm... something about your narrative doesn't make sense, Mitt.
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They also seem to have a top marginal tax rate of 45 (or is it 48?)%. Guess nobody told them that was socialist too.

Those poor, oblivious, Israelis. :(
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
jamesinclair said:
Look what I found in my spam box, a nice email from a tea party congressman, Nunes.

Get government out of my highway system!





Thats right folks, leave transportation to the private sector, which builds our roads and highway.
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Don't the founders of Google and its current CEO support Obama?
 
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Aaron Strife

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Tamanon said:
I'm sorry...he actually says he was the best Massachusetts governer of the past 10 years? That's a silly measurement.

President Obama is the best Democratic president in over a decade!
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Well there are only two choices for that, him or Deval Patrick. So that's not exactly a profound statement, however you feel about Patrick as a governor.

Reminds me of Jonathan Krohn's (the formerly conservative, formerly 13 year old) statement of "Obama is the most liberal president of my lifetime." More liberal than Bush or Clinton? I can hardly imagine.
 
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speculawyer

Member
Black Mamba said:
Mitt just released on Op-Ed on the Palestinian Culture remark.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/312830/culture-does-matter-mitt-romney

hello? Slavery?

FWIW, I think he's just trying to say "democracy = prosperity, everything else = fail." But, as usual, he comes off stupid and ignorant by using the wrong words.

Oh Mittens
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Holy fuck. Are his ghost writers idiots?

But one feature of our culture that propels the American economy stands out above all others: freedom. The American economy is fueled by freedom. Free people and their free enterprises are what drive our economic vitality.
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You know what Mitt . . . I'd say the Palestinians agree. THAT IS WHY THEY WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM WITH THEIR OWN STATE BUT YOU ARE AGAINST THAT IT SEEMS. WTF, Mitt?!?! Checkpoints, a great wall, land being confiscated, inability to import & export from their territory freely . . . that's what they want. Don't you know that? Are you fucking idiot?
 
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RobotChant

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Oblivion said:
Don't the founders of Google and its current CEO support Obama?
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Don't think the founders have publicly supported Obama, but the former CEO Eric Schmidt, does. Schmidt was also an Obama adviser. The founders of Google are outspoken supporters of gay rights, as is Google as a company. Hard to see them side with Romney the way they publicly support gay rights.
 
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Four_Chamber

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Baraka in the White House said:
Nobody won in this race. It was a Tea Party tard versus a Perry good ol' boy who tried to sell himself as a bigger Tea Party tard.
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This election was a watershed for the Texas GOP in my assessment. Texas is no doubt a GOP dominated state but that domination has led to infighting within the GOP the likes that few other places have seen. Rick Perry has had a rough year. The simplicity of the Tea Party really amazes me- you can run on the platform of 1) I won't work with Democrats and 2) I have no political experience. I hope the national scene gives Sadler some support in the slow/inexorable path to Texas becoming a Democratic stronghold. It will take another 10-20 years but the day is coming.
 
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jamesinclair

Banned
Oblivion said:
Don't the founders of Google and its current CEO support Obama?
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Doesn't even matter, the fact is, this idiots is saying a car is the same as hsr..

No, you could argue a ge locomotive vs a google car as they're both private, and the tracks vs the asphalt add they're both public, but this clown is trying to mix and match
 
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Fascinating read:

It’s hard to think of any superrich person as vulnerable, just as it’s hard to think that a bear with outstretched claws and giant teeth is more afraid than you are. But over the past few months, it’s become clear that rich people are very, very afraid. Sometimes it feels like this was the main accomplishment of Occupy Wall Street: a whole lot of tightened sphincters. It’s not a stretch to say many residents of Park Avenue harbor vivid fears of a populist revolt like the one seen in The Dark Knight Rises, in which they cower miserably under their sideboards while ragged hordes plunder the silver.

“This is my fear, and it’s a real, legitimate fear,” Greene says, revving up the engine. “You have this huge, huge class of people who are impoverished. If we keep doing what we’re doing, we will build a class of poor people that will take over this country, and the country will not look like what it does today. It will be a different economy, rights, all that stuff will be different.”

More often than not, fears like these manifest as loathing for the current administration, as evidenced by the recent wave of Romney fund-raisers in the Hamptons. “Obama wants to take my money and give it to do-nothing animals,” one matron blurted at a recent party at the Pierre for Dick Morris’s Screwed!, the latest entry into a growing pile of socioeconomic snuff porn geared toward this audience.
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http://nymag.com/news/business/themoney/jeff-greene-2012-8/index1.html
 
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Black Mamba

Member
Flying_Phoenix said:
If we taxed the 1% and took all of their wealth or their income and redistributed it equally between everybody how much money would everybody get?
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If you want yearly income, the top 1% earn over 21% of total US income (roughly $13 trillion IIRC)
 
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Black Republican

Member
New Presdential joint polling from (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll)


PENNSYLVANIA White House 2012: Obama 53% / Romney 42% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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OHIO White House 2012: Obama 50% / Romney 44% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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FLORIDA White House 2012: Obama 51% / Romney 45% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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#romneysenttodie


Obama Approval & Senate Races

PENNSYLVANIA The way Barack Obama is handling his job as president: Approve 49% / Disapprove 46% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS, 7/24-30)
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OHIO The way Barack Obama is handling his job as president: Approve 48% / Disapprove 48% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS Poll, 7/24-30)
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FLORIDA The way Barack Obama is handling his job as president: Approve 48% / Disapprove 48% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS Poll, 7/24-30)
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PENNSYLVANIA U.S. Senate: Bob Casey Jr. (D) 55% / Tom Smith (R) 37% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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OHIO U.S. Senate: Sherrod Brown (D) 51% / Josh Mandel (R) 39% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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FLORIDA U.S. Senate: Bill Nelson (D) 47% / Connie Mack (R) 40% (Quinnipiac U./New York Times/CBS News Poll, 7/24-30)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/u...ge-in-pennsylvania-ohio-and-florida.html?_r=1

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...-(fl-oh-and-pa)/release-detail?ReleaseID=1781
 
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Loudninja

Member
New Romney web ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwKNuaC7mds&feature=player_embedded

New Romney Ad Hits Obama Over Auto Bailout
The Romney campaign released a new ad Wednesday attacking auto industry bailout under President Obama. The ad features a GM dealership owner in Ohio who was forced to close his business in 2009. The ad comes the same day that President Obama is set to campaign in Ohio.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/new-romney-ad-hits-obama-over-auto-bailout
Haha oh man.
 
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gcubed

Member
I swear everyone around Romney has to be a grade A moron. He shouldn't even be bringing up the auto bailout. Its a disastrous position for him that he should be doing his best to make people forget about... not advertise and thrust it back into the minds of America.
 
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ToxicAdam

Member
PantherLotus said:
3. I can't speak for the rest of the states you mentioned, but I'd be surprised if Romney loses MO. You might be forgetting that much of the suburban midwest (especially suburbs outside the rustbelt like KC and STL) sometimes pretend like they're not the same white trash as the people that live 15 minutes further out. You see it everywhere.
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Yea, I was probably stretching with MO. I just lumped them in with midwestern states that swing to the (eventual) winner.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
But it wasn’t this woman that set Greene’s mind on fire. It was her children. “One had been shot, one was in jail, two had gang problems.” He trailed off. “The role models those kids have—gang ­members—of course those kids are going to go in the wrong ­direction.” If the kids were given access to ­education, he continued, to ­after-school programs—

“Dream on,” Ferguson drawled in response, and the audience broke out in applause. “Dream. On.”
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Makes my blood boil
 
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