TacticalFox88
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I just hope he can add some additional legislation that will lead us down the path to a glorious NHS.
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I just hope he can add some additional legislation that will lead us down the path to a glorious NHS.
Beer Monkey
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OBAMA CALLS IT OBAMACARE.
Aaron Strife
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Calling it Obamacare will give the man due credit in 20 years when it's as popular as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and Republicans are running on protecting your Obamacare.
It's Romney's to lose, really. If Obama can only be winning with 300+ EVs he's in deep shit.Stinkles said:
My favorite part is that you could give Romney all of the Lean Obama and Toss-Up states in that chart and he'd still lose.
cartoon_soldier
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He will just lie in the debates.
Obama: Your tax plan would raise taxes on middle class by 2000$.
Romney: No it would not. My plan would crease 12 million jobs, GDP will grow by 6%, UE will be at 6%, middle class will enjoy the fruits of Growth, etc, etc.
Moderators are not allowed to point out what is fact, what is possible.
Yeah, I kind of hate the water-downed legislation itself, but love the idea of it. It's a great jumping off point for more reform.
RustyNails
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My only problem in your map is Florida. That's where RNC is gonna be. No one ever went broke betting against Florida.
Well, that is really disappointing.
As it continued to get more popular (which it does), Obama was like, sure, what the hell, say my name. If welfare was called LBJ Money people might actually remember him as somebody other than the guy after JFK got shot.
I'm going to start calling it that.
hmm?
Romney Calls On Reid To Reveal His Source
Odd.
Romney Calls On Reid To Reveal His Source
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-calls-on-reid-to-reveal-his-source
Odd.
Reid may be playing dirty and some may disagree with the tactic, but as long as Romney is responding to him in any way, Reid is winning.
Also, if he knows they have no credibility, why does he need to find out whether or not they have any?
speculawyer
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Well Reid said it was someone who invested in Bain so Romney doesn't seem to have very good deductive skills there.
Have you ever watched Romney debate? He is not that slick, take some time and watch him lose his cool against Gingrinch and Perry when he is confronted with something he is not prepared for
Then expect to see that a few times because Obama as a debater is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the GOP candidates
Aaron Strife
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Well, that's not my map, that's TPM's poll averages.
Florida and North Carolina are the only two states I'd consider to be super-close toss-ups and right now, Obama has a slight polling advantage in the former and Romney in the latter. Either way Obama could lose both and still win comfortably.
The Technomancer
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This whole situation is odd. On the one hand I have a hard time believing Romney straight up paid no taxes at any point. On the other hand, the Reid accusation was so blatantly huge that its hard to believe the entire thing was a lie.
He's also not had to debate against a democrat since he ran for governor. Obama is going to be going after republican ideas and other things that even Romney's fellow partymen and women wouldn't touch. He's not had to defend some of the things he's going to have to defend.
TacticalFox88
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He DOES realize that if he released his tax returns, he could likely end this controversy while simultaneously making Reid, Obama, and a lot of Dems lose credibility right?
If there was any doubt that he's hiding something borderline illegal, it should be shattered by what he just said right there.
That's the reason Reid is doing it. Romney loses the argument either way. He releases them and gets slaughtered and by not releasing them the media will constantly be talking about how he hasn't released them. Either way, Reid will be able to walk away from this on November 6th without it effecting him in any way.
speculawyer
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The whitehouse has distanced themselves from the claim. So Romney can cause Reid to lose credibility . . . but who cares about Reid?
RustyNails
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Besides, 2003 Mitt Romney was practically a Democrat. What's there to debate against?
Yep. Reid will be 76 by 2016 when he would be up for reelection again, so he may not even bother at that point. He's the perfect attack dog for this type of thing. All the White House has to do is say "we don't agree with what he's saying."
Good point.
hydragonwarrior
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Even then, he can be trained just to change the subject like that, so hopefully Obama has a plan when he tries that.
Also different topic, but Republicans only need 4 seats in order to take control of the Senate? Holy shit, that's scary.
It's common practice to distance yourself from the attack dog. No real meaning in that, it's just buffer for tonal politics.
speculawyer
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And that is exactly what they have done. I believe the words they used were "Harry Reid's words are his own."
But they do mention ~"Romney could easily resolve this dispute with Harry Reid by release his tax returns."
Good cop, bad cop.
I doubt he changes the subject, if you watch Romney debate and he gets frustrated it comes out emotionally. Its one of the reasons Gingrinch was able to ding the hell out of him and Perry as well.
He had issues against the GOP and they were not going at him hard on the issues, facing a Democrat he is going to have to defend the GOP and not flip flop.
I mean come on guys this is Romney who can flip flop in the same conversation
speculawyer
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Often the VP candidate is used as the attack dog and that is harder to distance from. This is Harry Reid making accusation and not at Obama events.
Yup, I think it's just expediency, not doubt or fear. I think they like what Reid is doing.
TacticalFox88
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lol, Romney could barely handle the turds of the Republican party and we're supposed to believe that he'll "hold his own" (which is UNDOUBTEDLY the excuse the GOP will uses when he gets roflstomped in the debates) against Obama?
All Obama needs to do is push Romney to the point where he gets visibly flustered and upset once, which pillhead Rick Perry was able to do with ease. All Obama has to do after that is coast through the debate because afterword all people will talk about is how poor Romney came off.
Black Mamba
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Romney paid taxes. What is actually in his returns is a swiss bank account which he paid a fine for not disclosing (thanks to an amnesty program to avoid prosecution) and lying about the value of gifts he gave to his children (which is a crime).
Reid knows this but known people won't take kindly to him accusing Romney of breaking the law. So instead, he accuses him of paying 0 taxes knowing Romney can't release his records without demonstrating he broke the law, probably at least twice. And without releasing the returns, people will know he's hiding something, illegal or 0 taxes.
Black Republican
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speculawyer
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Here is a good summary of the situation:
http://news.yahoo.com/tax-spat-between-harry-reid-mitt-romney-does-110000510.html
speculawyer
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that's how it's DONE
gutter_trash
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agreed
The more time Romney spends trying to tie the White House to Reid's statement, the more time they're spending losing the argument. Also, how are they going to prove that Obama is behind Reid's statement? If pushed further, they can just completely say that they don't agree with what he's saying at all, but that doesn't exactly force Reid to stop. I can't see a way in which the White House comes out looking like they have something to do with this.
It's gotta be something like this. The whole Romney's taxes thing is getting to the point where it's just insane that he hasn't released them yet, all of this Reid shit would be over if he did and yet nothing. There is no good reason to keep getting hit over this and yet Romney is.
Black Republican
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Buzzfeeds article on Romney being on point of no return on the tax issues pretty much nails it.
http://t.co/bGmsduF7
http://t.co/bGmsduF7
I also can't see why it matters, to "most" people the simple answer is to release the taxes
People are going to start wondering why Romney won't do it, the more you say its not an issue it becomes an issue
I'm not very comfortable with the idea of Reid just making this up out of whole cloth just to box Romney into releasing actual, damaging information or suffer the damage from made-up information. If it legitimately was a tip off, that's one thing, but if it's just a ploy to goad Romney into campaign suicide... That's not an action I can support.
Reid should just call on Romney to reveal his source saying he paid the taxes
Notice that Romney isn't actually denying what Reid said except in weird broad strokes "I paid a lot of taxes" - yes you did, but when, and in what ratio to your income, and in what years?
The Technomancer
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I'm in the same camp. Pretty uneasy about what's been going on so far.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Politics. WOO!
Thing is, Romney camp still hasn't released anything yet to this day even after several Republicans themselves have told them to release them and get this over with.
If it was something like the birther issue, I'd agree, but at this point with how much Romney camp is trying to hide and bury it at the core of the earth, it's really becoming a defining pattern of shadiness and shiftiness even moreso than his lying out of his ass routine.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Seriously. I lose respect for just about all people involved in politics because of this playground childishness.
Black Republican
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Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News Swing State Poll for Colorado, Virginia, and Wisconsin tomorrow at 10am
Hopefully WI becomes THE true swing state again!
Hopefully WI becomes THE true swing state again!
Big Baybee
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I know it's wrong, but I love seeing Dems do dirty shit like this. :-/
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
But loathe when Republicans do it. Your bias is...confirmed.
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