metalslimer
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He could have actually had a chance at winning and then picked Palin.
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He could have actually had a chance at winning and then picked Palin.
jamesinclair
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Nbc broke into Olympic coverage to confirm its paul ryan
Of course, they make their money from ratings. This mess will give them ratings just like Palin did.
What are they supposed to do? This is a stupid ass pick that will backfire, lets not cover it? lol
Man if Romney did not have enough issues with his own taxes/business past now he is going to things that scare seniors to deal with....really smart move for a state like Iowa which is 90%+ senior
Seriously, this.
Before I had this weird little notion that maybe things would be ok with a Romney presidency if he did somehow win. Maybe it wouldn't be as bad as I thought and he'd be kind of moderate. I think this pick confirms exactly which direction this guy's going. He's going full retard and never looking back.
Arrowgigantic
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That doesn't even matter.
kkaabboomm
Member
Odds Romney tries to parlay this into a chance to "make a play" for Wisconsin?
This despite the 55%+ Obama would've gotten with the Scott Walker recall electorate.
This despite the 55%+ Obama would've gotten with the Scott Walker recall electorate.
I'm pretty sure it was her opening her mouth that did that.
Yeah the Couric interview and the horrible debate performance had absolutely nothing to do with it
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
So guys I found a good VP pick for Romney
(p.s. he got banned? What did he say/do?)
I think the Chik-Fil-A thread got him. I could be wrong.
She did, but they always get a convention bump. McCain would have lost without the economy crashing.
Normal bounce after VP pick and Convention. McCain was never going to win in 2008.
metalslimer
Member
The Couric interview combined with the suspension of the campaign killed McCain. I still think he could have maybe won with a better VP. At least it would have been a lot closer.
cartoon_soldier
Member
When the Media loves you, it helps your campaign.
I wouldn't disagree that it is a Risky pick. But if Ryan can do his snake oil selling through the Media easily, it could be good for them. If Ryan can't and the inevitable attack ads get through to the public, it would be a disaster.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
So does this mean that he'll probably never release his past tax returns? It would make sense to do that right before the VP announcement.
They don't like Ryan in Wisconsin. They don't like him ANYWHERE, except on the show-floor at CPAC.
BotoxAgent
Member
man, he's willing to make one wreckless, cynical, and dangerous decision after another just to be President....at least he's consistent in that regard.
PhoenixDark
Banned
This is either something that could turn into a good pick, or a very very bad pick. I see no middle ground here. We'll be hearing about vouchers from now until November.
Perhaps more importantly from the Romney perspective, what does this say about him? Just a few months ago it was well established that Portman and Pawlenty were the front runners; I don't remember any major Ryan talk back then. Pawlenty seemed to become the front runner just a couple weeks ago. Then conservatives made their opinion known quite loudly, and here we are with Ryan (allegedly). Not only was this meant to change the subject from taxes/Bain, but it's a desperate cave to some members of the GOP establishment who want Ryan. Meanwhile, there are other members of the GOP establishment who recognize he could be toxic due to being a congressman and due to his budget.
Perhaps more importantly from the Romney perspective, what does this say about him? Just a few months ago it was well established that Portman and Pawlenty were the front runners; I don't remember any major Ryan talk back then. Pawlenty seemed to become the front runner just a couple weeks ago. Then conservatives made their opinion known quite loudly, and here we are with Ryan (allegedly). Not only was this meant to change the subject from taxes/Bain, but it's a desperate cave to some members of the GOP establishment who want Ryan. Meanwhile, there are other members of the GOP establishment who recognize he could be toxic due to being a congressman and due to his budget.
Long time lurker on Poligaf, but I just had to comment.
First off, WOW, can Romney be this inept? I cannot believe he is literally bending his personal space-time continuum to please the far right of the Republican Party.
Second, does anyone foresee the Obama campaign / super PAC building on the narrative that Romney is not his own man, that he is willing sell his soul to be on top? I know they cannot attack him for this directly, but I feel that there is a strong side narrative that can be made by the Obama camp.
The more I see Romney and his campaign in action, the more disgusted I become. I too will be donating in the coming months.
First off, WOW, can Romney be this inept? I cannot believe he is literally bending his personal space-time continuum to please the far right of the Republican Party.
Second, does anyone foresee the Obama campaign / super PAC building on the narrative that Romney is not his own man, that he is willing sell his soul to be on top? I know they cannot attack him for this directly, but I feel that there is a strong side narrative that can be made by the Obama camp.
The more I see Romney and his campaign in action, the more disgusted I become. I too will be donating in the coming months.
He was never going to win. That just caused him to lose as spectacularly as he did.
It also just confirms how spineless he is and how terrifying a Romney presidency with a Republican supermajority (or a simple majority with a reformed filibuster) would be.
He'll be under more intense scrutiny this time around, last time it was like "Yea Ryan has a budget, it does some vague stuff." For all the shit we give the media, when it count, when it really matters they get their shit together.
there is no upside to Ryan. He would just shore up the conservative base, who were already going to turn out for NOBAMA
instead, now independents are automatically off the table AND they might lose one or two seniors in the exchange too
metalslimer
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Guys we could be witnessing history right here. If Romney loses this election even worse than McCain did the Republican Party might just explode.
Edit: THe media loved Palin too. She was such a small time governor not involved in the gotcha politics who balanced Alaska's budge...oh wait when the media actually started looking at her with any scrutiny she fell apart. The Ryan budget is the same thing.
Edit: THe media loved Palin too. She was such a small time governor not involved in the gotcha politics who balanced Alaska's budge...oh wait when the media actually started looking at her with any scrutiny she fell apart. The Ryan budget is the same thing.
Maybe that is Romney's plan, he does not like the GOP so maybe he figured fuck it lets burn down the party
Souldriver
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I wouldn't put the recent polls as "evidence" that this election will be a landslide. 1 day before the election it will be a 52-48 split again, as the country seems to be split this way when all is said and done.
Arrowgigantic
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James Carville's going to be on CNN holding up quotes from Ayn Rand talking about religion by this time tomorrow if Ryan really is the pick.
He's gone for so long that I doubt he ever releases them at this point. It would have maybe blown over (depending on whats in them) if he had released them after he'd locked up the nomination, but theres no way he releases them this late.
More like implode. If Romney loses, they hardly have any decent candidates left. Their once daring Jindel really ruined his chances. Rubio is proving to be just as bad. They will literally eat themselves alive, and it will be glorious, absolutely glorious to watch.
Frank the Great
Banned
lol @ ryan
i wonder if republicans will continue to use the criticism that obama "has never had a real job." if i recall correctly, ryan is a career politician.
i wonder if republicans will continue to use the criticism that obama "has never had a real job." if i recall correctly, ryan is a career politician.
speculawyer
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Yeah, he became against it when he realized how amazingly offensive it was and people went nuts. If he had the power, he'd just ban all abortions.
Hobbestetrician
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I just want to make sure about this. We are all a bit flabbergasted by the announcement but is there a chance we are missing how this may help Romney? I know Ryan will excite the far right but are there other positives (for Romney) we aren't acknowledging? I just want to make sure.
kkaabboomm
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How messed up is it that Mitt dint call T-Paw, Rubio, or Portman (ABC confirmed they aren't pick)? Apparently his son called them.
In college, he briefly worked for Oscar Mayer as a Wienermobile driver.[15]
BOOM
(I've been lurking for years now, and I thought that today was a good chance to jump in.)
I have to say, I am utterly dumbfounded. The whole point of this bus tour was to 'reset' the campaign; to redefine Romney after the onslaught of the last few weeks.
By endorsing Ryan - and thereby wholeheartedly embracing the Ryan Plan - he is playing right into the existing narrative: that Romney is rich, out-of-touch, and will cut your benefits to pay for high income tax cuts.
I have to say, I am utterly dumbfounded. The whole point of this bus tour was to 'reset' the campaign; to redefine Romney after the onslaught of the last few weeks.
By endorsing Ryan - and thereby wholeheartedly embracing the Ryan Plan - he is playing right into the existing narrative: that Romney is rich, out-of-touch, and will cut your benefits to pay for high income tax cuts.
PhoenixDark
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I'm not sure I agree 100% with that. Ryan is smart and charismatic; he'll probably embarrass Biden in a debate. He'll completely fire up the conservative base, which right now is not happy or greatly enthused about Romney.
Elderly and independents simply writing him off seems too perfect of a scenario. I want to see how the media, which loves him, treats this. I want to see how Ryan defends his budget - he's actually pretty good at debating.
Overall my gut tells me this is a laughable pick, but let's get more info first.
metalslimer
Member
Basically the only shot Romney has is if some major economic disaster happens. I would say some kind of war starts, but the country would probably elect the incumbent then.
speculawyer
Member
I think Romney has already done the job quite well.
I've said it before but Romney will send his campaign out to the middle of the ocean and set it on fire before he personally releases them.
I am not ruling out a leak l, but he will never release them. Period
Joe Shlabotnik
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On top of the eight million other reasons why this is a bad choice, it's hard to believe Romney's going with an obvious Hail Mary pick directly after the worst Hail Mary VP pick in the history of U.S. politics. I mean, we just learned not to do that in the most spectacular fashion imaginable!
el retorno
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Did he tell him the bad news in Spanish? I loved that stupid line he'd pull out.
Also I think this pick is crazy but it makes me scared that if something happens before the election this country is screwed. This man represents the opposite of everything I believe.
Ready Up Already
Neo Member
The Ryan pick is worth it for Krugman's editorials alone...and he's on vacation right now! He's going to have a field day with this when he comes back, which I suspect may be sooner than originally planned.
PhoenixDark
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Another thing: given the campaign's recent Welfare dust up, this pick makes sense. Republicans always frame entitlement cuts as just being aimed at Those People, and with 100 million people on Welfare there are plenty of them to scapegoat.
I want to see how this plays out. The cuts in that budget are so clear there's no way to sugar coat or dismiss them. It's a blatant slap in the face for lower income people, and middle income people - to benefit people like Mitt Romney
I want to see how this plays out. The cuts in that budget are so clear there's no way to sugar coat or dismiss them. It's a blatant slap in the face for lower income people, and middle income people - to benefit people like Mitt Romney
Actually Ryan nominee might be the ticket to forcing his tax issue off the narrative. If Ryan is the pick then that is the only possible reason I think he would pick him. Pick someone so toxic that his VP pick overwhelms the campaign narrative and it stops becoming a contest about him vs Obama, and rather Ryan vs Obama while he slips away. The one thing I don't understand... is why anyone ELSE in his campaign thinks this is a good idea. Ryan as VP isn't just toxic to the presidential ticket, he is a friggin house congressman who authored one of the most toxic budget proposal in decades. Bringing him back onto the national spot light brings that budget and consequentially all the congressmen who voted for that budget back into focus. Ryan could potentially ruin a lot of close republican congressional races as they need to fight whether they support the ticket or not.
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