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This image made me laugh more than it should. God, I need sleep.
Byakuya769
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I think people are pretty highly involved in the Ryan budget. Most of them are the ones getting fucked in it.
Aaron Strife
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PhoenixDark
Banned
Remember that point about republicans moving so far right that the middle goal posts move to the right, meaning every idealogical battle is fought on conservative terms? Yup
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Castellanos says Ryan is the first generation X candidate, but Obama was born 1961. Probably doesn't count cause he was born in Kenya.
He also wrote that this team will grow the economy bottom up. He was not being sarcastic.
He also wrote that this team will grow the economy bottom up. He was not being sarcastic.
Officerrob
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Even under that scenario, Ryan wouldn't be center-right
I hate that man. I really really hate that man....
His insistence on using the term "death tax...." Just... ugh, fuck that guy.
In a better world he would have absolutely no power whatsoever. Crazy ass man with his middle school ideas.
I can't wait until 2040 when Republicans are arguing for aristocracy, and Democrats are arguing for trickle down economics and destroying welfare.
Seriously, the fact that half the federal government is paralyzed because of a document written by a twelve-year-old in 1968 is just crazy.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
*MichaelJordanlaughing.gif*
Wow, I can't believe they're going to try to run that by the American public.
SSGMUN10000
Connoisseur Of Tedium
Guys I finally did it. After seeing so much ignorance on my facebook I decided to open up the can of worms. I re-posted a pic from the obama page and already had one person tell me the Obama doubled the debt. Another person posted his support for Romney. I decided to finally take a stand.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Fight the good fight! Show those people on Facebook how wrong they are! You can do it!
That's probably going to end up with you defriending a lot of them. Which is fine, as long as you realize that's what opening up political opinions will do on facebook. Just realize you won't change anyones opinion.
Honestly, it's probably not worth the effort. I just tune it out. Life's too short to argue with friends and family about politics.
Me too. Arguing on facebook about politics is certainly not a productive use of one's time, all it'll do is piss everyone off involved.
ErasureAcer
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Good for you. Now de-friend them.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Over being wrong about the rate of deficit growth?
Seriously?
Yyyyyyyyup. Yup. Yup yup yup.
well i would not have done that.
Yeah, but that's cause you hate America.
I've got one guy on my Facebook that throws up the stupidest stuff (usually NRA type stuff, though) and has some hilarious opinions on things. Our arguments start out kind of reactionary and hostile, but then after a few posts kind of evolve into a sort of civil debate. He's got some other friends on his list that much hate what he posts, because they seem to also post with me once in a while and tell him how hilarious his generalizations are. But yeah otherwise things usually stay kind of civil. I still really should bite my tongue and just not even start it. I'm probably annoying enough to my Facebook friends with all the articles and things I post.
ErasureAcer
Banned
Paul Ryan, right about everything but deficit growth. lol.
ErasureAcer
Banned
De-friend. Problem solved.
I post so many articles and whatnot that I think all of my conservative friends on Facebook have blocked me from their feeds.
Then he followed with: "In France the prime minister is promising to double the taxes on the rich. Many are moving to neighboring nations and they are taking their spending and investments elsewhere. The same could happen here."
Seriously. It's like people don't understand demand or something. They've fallen for this job creator narrative hook line and sinker. It's fucking crazy. It's like being a job creator is a hobby for the rich people, and they only do it when they feel like it. We have to give them incentives or else they'll just stop doing this little hobby of theirs...
Seriously. It's like people don't understand demand or something. They've fallen for this job creator narrative hook line and sinker. It's fucking crazy. It's like being a job creator is a hobby for the rich people, and they only do it when they feel like it. We have to give them incentives or else they'll just stop doing this little hobby of theirs...
I've mentioned it before, but I've lost 3 really good friends cause of politics.
Well, it's slightly more complicated than that, but the result is pretty much the same. If you can avoid it, do so. I limit my political discussions to imaginary people, like here.
Well, it's slightly more complicated than that, but the result is pretty much the same. If you can avoid it, do so. I limit my political discussions to imaginary people, like here.
BotoxAgent
Member
My uncle spews the same shit when he's over for thanksgiving and christmas, ugh! He ruins my holidays like every single year...and I don't like talking about politics over the dinner table. But he always tries to get under my skin cuz he know's I am Democrat. The dude is crazy.
The dude had a recent nervous breakdown, quit his job, and is undergoing therapy. His wife would never say, but I think politics eventually did him in. His wife was a Republican herself but she eventually became pro-Obama and that didn't help matters either. It's amazing how the toxic political discourse has become in this country :-(
STFU BOTOX!
speculawyer
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Tell him yes . . . you fully agree that diminishing returns is exactly the problem. But in the opposite direction from the way he believes. Tax rates on rich people investing were once in the 70 to 90 percent range. (And things did work back then.) But we did cut them and that worked too. They were cut to the 30 to 40 percent range. But we now went too far . . . Romney pays at a 15% range and he proposes cutting them to zero (for capital gains, interest, dividends, etc.). How does cutting them to zero raise more taxes? Cite the article showing Romney would pay 0.82% under the Ryan plan.
Cut TANF and other welfare benefits, because people will be TOTALLY motivated to work harder at $8/hr. If they work hard enough, they'll get to $9/hr! That's how you grow an economy!
On the other hand, if someone used to make $5 million a year and will now make $4.5 million with the higher tax rate, he will lose all motivation and just give up on life.
Not only is that whole argument a crock of shit, it's incredibly insulting to the people who bust their asses every day for minimum wage or slightly more.
I've actually converted more than a few right-wingers with persistent, logical, civil arguments. As long as you NEVER insult the person you are arguing with, there's always a chance of getting them to see your viewpoint.
On that note, as soon as an insult is thrown, nobody listens to anything after that point. It doesn't matter what anyone says; everyone's blood is at a boil, and it's just about WINNING, which no one can do at that point, so it's just wasted energy.
Pretty much all my aunts and uncles do this. My wife and I get all sorts of crap but we never respond to them. Just not worth getting into and they are literally idiots so you can't debate with them anyways. Evil teacher unions always get brought up every single family event (even though 3 of them are teachers).... Somehow my wife doesn't deserve her pay because they shouldnt be taxed as much even though they have benefited from being teachers for the past 40 years.
I wonder if your friend ever stopped to think why companies hire more people for the holiday season.
Its not to service all those rich people buying $30 DVD players.
Byakuya769
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So tonight I got accused of getting all of my news from cnn and msnbc (don't watch cable news), not making enough to understand higher taxes, being blind to facts, ignoring reality, and being ignorant because I thought calling a 60k a year salary "measly" was out of bounds.
All because I explained the electoral map in response to, "the Paul Ryan pick has just guaranteed a landslide for Romney."
All because I explained the electoral map in response to, "the Paul Ryan pick has just guaranteed a landslide for Romney."
He's fucking crazy.
ErasureAcer
Banned
Donated $10 to the Rob Zerban campaign. He's raked up $35,000 on ActBlue alone in 24 hours. His website mentions ActBlue but he has his own way to take in money besides that so he's probably gotten even more than that since the pick was made. Since Ryan is gonna be in the news just about every day...more people will probably want to get rid of him in Congress as well. So Zerban can be looking at close to 3 million bucks raised in the last 87 days if this rate continues..at worst I'd say he picks up an extra million other than he would have got in the same time frame. Since the district went Obama in 2008, would people really split their Ryan votes...as in keeping him in Congress but voting for Obama? Basically, you'd think if Obama wins the district as he did before...Ryan is gone from Congress.
My first job out of college I paid more in taxes than Mitt Romney.
Conservatives for a long time tried to package tax cuts for the rich as "simplifying the tax code".
The most obvious example being the flat tax proposal.
Why was everybody laughing when Ryan was talking about "personalizing" social security?
November 7 will be a rough day for these people.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Lol, that is insanity right there.
This is when I start talking about our responsibility as good Christians to provide single-payer healthcare and how failing to do so makes us no better than simonists. They love that.
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