Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Just to clarify, can you classify a time where he was on TV and not horrible?
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Just to clarify, can you classify a time where he was on TV and not horrible?
Thune: A Romney-Ryan Ticket Is A Risk To Obama
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/thune-romney-ryan-ticket-is-risk-to-obama
Arrowgigantic
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I think you mean voted for it. And Weiner voted against it, so he must be a conservative icon, and we can all now laugh at his underwear pics.
Arrowgigantic
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Republican Senator Informs Nation That The Republican Ticket Is Strong
Shocking news
I was very surprise to.
cartoon_soldier
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Yes this, sorry
So they're going to claim they've laid out a plan when Romney's talking points say that Ryan's plan isn't Romney's plan and they're going to lay out their new secret plan when Romney is President?
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
We gotta vote for Romney so we can find out what's in him!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
It writes itself practically. I'm still shocked that out of all the candidates, Romney picked Ryan. I mean, it goes against a lot of what Romney has been saying publicly for the past year. One of the two of them will need to change their positions on things, or they will be at odds with each other. I have a feeling Romney will just change his position like he has a habit of doing to suit the situation, which Obama will jump all over of course.
Romney Campaign Requested 'Several' Years of Tax Returns of VP Contenders
http://news.yahoo.com/romney-campai...-returns-vp-124514448--abc-news-politics.html
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The Librarian
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cartoon_soldier
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Dems need to get more surrogates onto the Sunday shows.
Fucking hilarious
lol, is this a serious post? If so, the Ryan budget doesn't do what you think it does, unless you believe in unicorns.
The Librarian
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Ah, hard telling. I didn't recognize the name.
That's completely unfair to unicorns.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
People need to hear this every day until the election.
I think he cuts it in his plan, just not anywhere close to zero. Gingrich wanted to lower it to zero in the primary and in the debate Romney was all like, "You do know that I wouldn't pay anything in taxes if you did that right?"
TacticalFox88
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Saw this on Facebook:
Sounds like a perfect campaign slogan for Obama. :O
Sounds like a perfect campaign slogan for Obama. :O
cartoon_soldier
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I really want to see what ads Obama camp and Priorities USA comes out with.
In 2008, Palin pretty much was never attacked directly, Ryan doesn't have to be treated with kid gloves though. They better start tomorrow.
gutter_trash
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the old man is right, spending a life time paying taxes into the system to see a punk like Ryan threaten to kill social programs that are expected in a western civilization.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I like to imagine that the unspoken second half to "I hope he took his blood pressure medication" was "if he can afford it, hahahaha"
cartoon_soldier
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Remember how the Media played those up when it was done to Democrats in 2010. Yea...
RoninChaos
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You know, I don't know why older folks that seem to vote republican don't get more upset over this. The old man is right, these people have paid into this system their whole lives, and now someone wants to dismantle it. Fact is, the country and the government made a promise to these people by taking their money, check after check, year after year. Destroying that system that people have paid into their whole lives is the biggest slap in the face I can think of.
That's why their proposals exempt current participants so they can go "fuck you I've got mine" with them.
Ryan (sort of) weasels out of that because his plan doesn't affect current Medicare recipients. It just affects every generation after this one.
However, there are lots and lots of people paying into it now that will be fucked over when they're elderly, so your point remains true. But if Ryan and co can fully explain this to the current elderly, they may tap into their potent "Fuck you, I've got mine" stream of thought.
Christ, this campaign is a mess. Now Gillespie is saying Romney would have signed the Ryan budget. So, embrace Ryan's budget, then pick him, then release something say "no no no that's not my budget," and now "yeah totally I would have signed it!" They want everything both ways. They want their cake and to eat it, too.
TacticalFox88
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Romney changes his positions more times than a fucking porn star, I swear
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's dishonest to porn stars.
Such a terribly-run campaign... they're already fucking up what should be a guaranteed week of good positive buzz.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Well, most old people have kids or grandkids that they actually don't want to fuck over. "I've got mine for me and my family" is inherent even in the "Fuck you, I've got mine" mentality.
Dismantling Medicare is completely toxic politically, no two ways about it.
worldrunover
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I know people are giving Romney a little bit of grief for this but people seem to forget that Obama did the same exact thing in 2008.
empty vessel
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Apropos of this:
It so happens that this summer the Internal Revenue Service released data from the 400 individual income tax returns reporting the highest adjusted gross income. This elite ultrarich group earned on average $202 million in 2009, the latest year available. And buried in the data is the startling disclosure that six of the 400 paid no federal income tax.
The I.R.S. has never before disclosed that last fact.
Not even Mr. Romney, with reported 2010 income of $21.7 million, qualifies for membership in this select group of 400. But the data provides a window into the financial lives and tax rates of the superrich. Since the I.R.S. doesnt release data for the tiny percentage of Americans at Mr. Romneys income level, the 400 are the closest proxy.
And that data demonstrates that many of the ultrarich can and do reduce their tax liability to very low levels, even zero. Besides the six who paid no federal income tax, the I.R.S. reported that 27 paid from zero to 10 percent of their adjusted gross incomes and another 89 paid between 10 and 15 percent, which is close to the 13.9 percent rate that Mr. Romney disclosed that he paid in 2010. (At the other end of the spectrum, 82 paid 30 to 35 percent. None paid more than 35 percent.) So more than a quarter of the people earning an average of over $200 million in 2009 paid less than 15 percent of their adjusted gross income in taxes....
The data show that the ultrarich typically pay low tax rates every year, but 2009 was a special case. In 2008, people with large stock portfolios and other less liquid assets were disproportionately hit with large losses on paper. One of the oddities of the tax code is that capital gains taxes are discretionary, since they must be paid only when gains are realized. And they can be offset by losses. The silver lining in a bad year like 2008 for wealthy people is that they can harvest losses by selling assets, then use those losses to offset any gains. They can also carry forward the losses to offset gains in future years.
Theres ample evidence that happened in 2009 among the richest taxpayers. Their average income, $202 million, dropped from $270 million in 2008 and was the lowest since 2004. Like Mr. Romney in 2010, for the richest taxpayers most income comes from capital gains and other investment income. Their net capital gains (the data doesnt include gross gains and losses) dropped by nearly 40 percent, from an average of $154 million in 2008 to $93 million in 2009, which accounts for nearly all of their drop in total income. Even with these lower gains, these 400 taxpayers, a minuscule fraction of the population at large, still managed to account for 16 percent of all capital gains. That is the highest percentage since the data was first released for 1992, when that percentage was less than 6 percent.
Tax experts I consulted said these results almost certainly reflected aggressive use of tax-loss carry-forwards from 2008, since the stock market bottomed in March 2009 and rallied strongly during the rest of the year.
The superrich also accounted for a disproportionate amount of dividend income, which averaged over $26 million for the top 400, or over 6 percent of total dividend income, also a record. Capital gains and dividends are both taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent, as opposed to the maximum rate on earned income of 35 percent, which helps explain why so many of the superrich pay a relatively low rate. ...
Whats abundantly clear, both from Mr. Romneys 2010 returns and from the returns of the top 400, is that at the very pinnacle of taxpayers, the United States has a regressive tax system. The top 400 earn more than 1 percent of all income in the United States, more than double their share in 1992. These 400 earned a total of $81 billion in 2009 but paid an average tax rate of just 19.9 percent.
Its regressive because capital gains and dividends dominate the top returns and are taxed at a preferential rate, Professor Kleinbard said. ...
The I.R.S. has never before disclosed that last fact.
Not even Mr. Romney, with reported 2010 income of $21.7 million, qualifies for membership in this select group of 400. But the data provides a window into the financial lives and tax rates of the superrich. Since the I.R.S. doesnt release data for the tiny percentage of Americans at Mr. Romneys income level, the 400 are the closest proxy.
And that data demonstrates that many of the ultrarich can and do reduce their tax liability to very low levels, even zero. Besides the six who paid no federal income tax, the I.R.S. reported that 27 paid from zero to 10 percent of their adjusted gross incomes and another 89 paid between 10 and 15 percent, which is close to the 13.9 percent rate that Mr. Romney disclosed that he paid in 2010. (At the other end of the spectrum, 82 paid 30 to 35 percent. None paid more than 35 percent.) So more than a quarter of the people earning an average of over $200 million in 2009 paid less than 15 percent of their adjusted gross income in taxes....
The data show that the ultrarich typically pay low tax rates every year, but 2009 was a special case. In 2008, people with large stock portfolios and other less liquid assets were disproportionately hit with large losses on paper. One of the oddities of the tax code is that capital gains taxes are discretionary, since they must be paid only when gains are realized. And they can be offset by losses. The silver lining in a bad year like 2008 for wealthy people is that they can harvest losses by selling assets, then use those losses to offset any gains. They can also carry forward the losses to offset gains in future years.
Theres ample evidence that happened in 2009 among the richest taxpayers. Their average income, $202 million, dropped from $270 million in 2008 and was the lowest since 2004. Like Mr. Romney in 2010, for the richest taxpayers most income comes from capital gains and other investment income. Their net capital gains (the data doesnt include gross gains and losses) dropped by nearly 40 percent, from an average of $154 million in 2008 to $93 million in 2009, which accounts for nearly all of their drop in total income. Even with these lower gains, these 400 taxpayers, a minuscule fraction of the population at large, still managed to account for 16 percent of all capital gains. That is the highest percentage since the data was first released for 1992, when that percentage was less than 6 percent.
Tax experts I consulted said these results almost certainly reflected aggressive use of tax-loss carry-forwards from 2008, since the stock market bottomed in March 2009 and rallied strongly during the rest of the year.
The superrich also accounted for a disproportionate amount of dividend income, which averaged over $26 million for the top 400, or over 6 percent of total dividend income, also a record. Capital gains and dividends are both taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent, as opposed to the maximum rate on earned income of 35 percent, which helps explain why so many of the superrich pay a relatively low rate. ...
Whats abundantly clear, both from Mr. Romneys 2010 returns and from the returns of the top 400, is that at the very pinnacle of taxpayers, the United States has a regressive tax system. The top 400 earn more than 1 percent of all income in the United States, more than double their share in 1992. These 400 earned a total of $81 billion in 2009 but paid an average tax rate of just 19.9 percent.
Its regressive because capital gains and dividends dominate the top returns and are taxed at a preferential rate, Professor Kleinbard said. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/b...lues-to-romneys-tax-returns-common-sense.html
Learn2read
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speculawyer
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The media actually sort did their job? I'm shocked!
SouthernDragon
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No income tax paid.
McCain: Obama Attacks Succeeding At Painting Romney As Unacceptable
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...painting-mitt-romney-unacceptable.php?ref=fpa
I love it hahaha.
You really got to be kidding me with this garbage.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...painting-mitt-romney-unacceptable.php?ref=fpa
I love it hahaha.
You really got to be kidding me with this garbage.
She is the Obama deputy campaign manager.
Brilliant!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hahahaha, I'm watching The Distinguished Gentleman for the first time, its scary how relevent the movie is even today. Its like a revers Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
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