AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Then the juxtaposition of your post together with your quote makes little sense.
Obama hates white people.
www.liberalblogpostings.com/outrage
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Then the juxtaposition of your post together with your quote makes little sense.
Obama hates white people.
www.liberalblogpostings.com/outrage
Note, my claim and my quote may or may not be directly related.
speculawyer
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So they are not even going to finish up giving us the 2011 returns?
I guess they've decided they already lost the election so why give up privacy?
Also . . . will there be no more policy views given out? After all, the more policy you give out, the more it will be criticized. How about speeches? They'll be criticized too. Perhaps Romney should just lock himself in one of his houses until the election.
Oh I am sorry didn't mean it like that.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well on the bright side I've found out that PA will accept conceal carry permits, I'm tempted to use that for a gag. Why be boring an use a drivers licence? lol
They don't need a picture ID?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I know you didn't, but there was no impetus for your comment, so one could only deduce that your quote was somehow related.
Well they're losing, so they kinda have to.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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It is a picture ID.
Oh man, fancy. My c/c is just a small piece of thin paper. I had to glue it to a business card and laminate it myself.
speculawyer
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Yeah, they seem a bit bitter lately. They seem to be retreating into the "Obama is a dirty foreigner Muslim Kenyan Socialist Fascist" mode (using more coded language). That will solidify the base but I don't think it will get them more independents.
And some of the attacks are getting outrageous. I can't believe he picked Ryan and then starts saying Obama is a big meanie that will slash medicare. You gotta be kidding me.
the majority of CC permits i've seen all are photo ID.
Anyway, i fail to see how a voter id law, with no free way to get such an ID passed a half a year out from a national election can ever be upheld. They still have yet to provide any education on it, any kind of state wide push that its needed and have no plan to expedite obtaining a form of ID, and they have 3 months left.
what can't you believe? Thats exactly how you mask an embarrassing weakness. The problem is that all the news channels are embarrassing Romney by clarifying Obama's cuts vs Romney's (the ones i've heard don't even clarify it being Ryan's plan)
metalslimer
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I can. It's nothing out of the ordinary for their campaign. I get just giddy thinking about the debates.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yep, you can prepare all you want but you can't change a personality.
I'm strongly leaning towards the debates ending the election.
Good lord. Can someone say anything negative about Obama without it being called coded racism?
As to the second point, it's the only way they could have picked Ryan. They had to have spent weeks formulating and focus testing the "Obama is going to slash medicare" accusation to see if it would stick. It at least muddies a bit the bit attack the left has been prepping for Ryan. I don't think it will work, the Obama team is just better at messaging (no, I'm not saying black people should all work at the post office) and they'll win that argument.
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i do kinda get tired of every attack being contorted some way into being racist, or dog whistley. It just mutes the actual racist remarks. Maybe i just dont merge with the newest gen, but everything is always an -ist now.
I don't get how the judge can uphold the voter ID law.
1. The constitution guarantees the right to vote, subject to laws regulating the registration of electors. No mention of regulations on the act of voting in this section.
2. The law requires a photo ID be presented to vote.
3. The onus on obtaining a photo ID is on the individual. They need to have their photo taken and apply for the ID, and renew it when it expires. There is no way to assert that everyone has a photo ID. As such, the law violates an individual's constitutional rights by requiring them to actively pursue measures to be able to practice their right. Inalienablility, how does it work?
The only way such a law would be valid is if a photo ID were actively provided to everyone by the state and a vote could be accepted so long as the ID exists, regardless of whether or not the person presented it. In other words, if you're on the voter reels, the state has a voter ID for you, and that's essentially what the voter reels are. a colleciton of IDs. But no requirement for the person to present it or use it.
PA constitution said:
1. The constitution guarantees the right to vote, subject to laws regulating the registration of electors. No mention of regulations on the act of voting in this section.
2. The law requires a photo ID be presented to vote.
3. The onus on obtaining a photo ID is on the individual. They need to have their photo taken and apply for the ID, and renew it when it expires. There is no way to assert that everyone has a photo ID. As such, the law violates an individual's constitutional rights by requiring them to actively pursue measures to be able to practice their right. Inalienablility, how does it work?
The only way such a law would be valid is if a photo ID were actively provided to everyone by the state and a vote could be accepted so long as the ID exists, regardless of whether or not the person presented it. In other words, if you're on the voter reels, the state has a voter ID for you, and that's essentially what the voter reels are. a colleciton of IDs. But no requirement for the person to present it or use it.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
DeathbyVolcano
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fucking PA. place is still going blue though.
Past courts have generally found that as long as you offer a free ID you are good to go.
I previously noted that the prospects of the law being upheld were respectable. The SCOTUS upheld a similar law in Indiana.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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It varies from county to county (and Philadelphia), but all are photo.
Bucks County has the seal of the Sheriff on the back and his name (as written) Edward "Duke" Donnely.
All the Sheriffs vehicles have his name and the "Duke" on them lol
That's ridiculous. Offering a free ID != providing IDs to everyone. If the ID has to be seeked out to be obtained, and presented in order to vote, then you can't say voting is a right. ESPECIALLY when the facilities which provide the IDs are not easily accessible due to location or operating hours
reading that Steven's opinion is still a head scratcher. "It only affects a few people, oh well"
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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He seems to link it with the ability to cast a provisional ballot.
I wasn't even responding to that part, only the quote itself.
I do not disagree.
I think the tax returns thing is kinda useless now. There's something much better now, and it's based on actual policy: every Democrat should be hammering that 0.82% (or whatever it is) number that Romney would pay under Paul Ryan's plan. Why the hell do you need tax returns when you have that?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Then perhaps it was my own fault, but the two things seemed incongruous.
mckmas8808
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Okay seriously after hearing this audio of Ryan saying he loved Ayn Rand I have a question. Who the hell is Ayn Rand basically? And why is this person so important?
Maybe, but like I said, I wasn't commenting on that. Republicans have almost made a career out of accusing Democrats of doing what they plan to do themselves. Ryan wants to slash Medicare -> Obama cut Medicare!
Objectivism is a philosophy created by Russian-American philosopher and novelist Ayn Rand (1905–1982). Objectivism's central tenets are that reality exists independent of consciousness, that human beings have direct contact with reality through sense perception, that one can attain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive logic, that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness (or rational self-interest), that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights embodied in laissez-faire* capitalism, and that the role of art in human life is to transform humans' metaphysical ideas by selective reproduction of reality into a physical form—a work of art—that one can comprehend and to which one can respond emotionally.
*(Etymology From French laissez faire (“leave it be", literally "let do”
She was also a huge influence on Alan Greenspan and thus on modern fiscal policy.
She was also outwardly joyless.
She was also into weird sexual shit.
A horrible woman who popularized a philosophy that basically thinks that narcissism and selfishness and greed are virtues. She's important because lots of Libertarians, Republicans, and 15 year olds love her.
She's a terrible writer and a horrible philosopher (subjective opinion I know, but I'll go 12 rounds with anyone who wants to defend Objectivism, 12 boring ass rounds...).
She's important because she justify and celebrate selfishness and greed.
And people who are selfish and greedy (which we all are to a degree) love that message more than the "no no no" they hear from pretty much every other philosophy and religion.
Also, her books are filled with blame shifting, you see it's not your fault for not succeeding, it's those moochers and parasites slowing you down.
But one day, oh you'll show them, oh yeah, they'll all be sorry!
This is a message that appeal to many people, especially young.
She's basically Heinlein for people who want to be taken seriously.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Triggers hilarious venom filled reactions in Liberals too.
My dad loved a couple of her books (Atlus Shrugged and fountain something), but couldn't be further from her politics than anyone else.
These days if you even admit to reading her books and not condemning them you tend to get rocks chucked at you. lol
Well considering the effects of Communism in the 20th Century and the human misery it spawned, it makes sense for a counter theory to develop.
el retorno
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No you're absolutely right about her being a horrible writer, I don't think there was a single well written passage in any of her books. How she has gotten published I have no idea.
As in the example I edited in though, being understandable doesn't make it any more wise. Simply developing a philosophy around "FUCK COLLECTIVISM" is inferior to stepping back, reevaluating things, and considering more balanced approaches.
Also, Rand's writing betrays a level of autism.
el retorno
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I understand that she was Russian and lived in the USSR but she went overboard on anything remotely RESEMBLING communism like socialized health care, rich people paying more in taxes, regulation, etc.
Any progress governments have made in the 19th and 20th centuries she opposed. She lived in black and white
She also has a really messed up view of sex and rape
My father is the same way, he grew up in Yugoslavia back in the day. It seems to be a common thread among people who grew up in that sort of situation.
Don't forget people being locked into cages and herded together for "mating season" with their assigned mate.
Also, there's a rape scene in every one of her books. Every. Single. One.
Usually with the female enjoying it.
el retorno
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The thing is many of those things aren't/weren't created by communists. Bismarck created the first welfare state. He was a conservative.
Regulation was also championed by other conservatives such as Teddy and Eisenhower.
I edited that into my post. I sort of liked the fountainhead though, rape scene not withstanding (Had to read it in high school). It was interesting and the message of uncompromising creative vision is better than atlus shrugs "rich people are the best people" plot. The fountainhead does condone terrorism though
The incoherency of Heinlein's philosophical positions over his oeuvre is one reason he's hard to take seriously! But The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is an aggressively libertarian, if not Objectivist, work. And of course there's always Farnham's Freehold.
Hey, I know. You can point that out to guys like my dad, but they won't listen. The only thing he is reasonable on is immigration and that's because he had to go through it and knows how bad it was even back then.
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