He came out and blamed a staffer and shifted responsibility to him/her for getting stimulus money. Even though his signature is on the letter.
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He came out and blamed a staffer and shifted responsibility to him/her for getting stimulus money. Even though his signature is on the letter.
He signs all kinds of shit, he's an important guy!
I hope it does. Not just for the sake of Paul Ryan's defeat, but because he isn't the only one that pulled that crap. A bunch of republicans were publicly against the stimulus and say it didn't do anything while privately were requesting the money and praising it for creating jobs. They all deserve to get nailed to the wall on that.
Sounds like he and Mitt truly were made for each other.
Byakuya769
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I'm skeptical over whether this will cause any harm. Basically what Gondo just said will go over as serviceable. That or the common rejoinder, "Well if the funds were there, you might as well get it for your constituents. Not their fault the government is wasteful!" will be sufficient.
I think this, along with his Bush-era votes, can actually undermine his credibility.
The Clay Davis Defense won't play too well.
Except in these letters they specifically say that this money will help create jobs. You know, that thing that they deny the stimulus did.
Byakuya769
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We shall see, but the media cannot even convincingly nail them on medicare. So I really doubt this will matter.
He also denied ever writing the letters. He denied it again earlier today.
Pickles the Firecat
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I am eagerly anticipating "He didn't write that" jokes.
speculawyer
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Just like Romney's taxes being filed as a Utah resident not a Massachusetts resident. Always the underling's fault.
There's something resembling nuance with the medicare debate, though. So it makes sense that the media can't figure it out.
This one's pretty straightforward- he asked for stimulus money to create jobs, while arguing the stimulus money can't create jobs.
Rejuvenate it? He's tanking it.
Yep. I don't think the polls will swing in their favor too much once the dust settles on the convention, either. The choice has a lot of people talking, but they aren't really talking about the things Romney wants them to. VP choices generally don't do much for a ticket in terms of a higher EV count, but their messaging has been just as sloppy this week as it was before the announcement; probably even more so.
DeathbyVolcano
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Sheeeeeeeeeit
cartoon_soldier
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This week should generally destroy any credibility Paul Ryan has on being a serious wonk/deficit hawk/etc. Let us see if that really happens. I see a lot of that chatter on online sites like Atlantic, some on Politico, etc.
cartoon_soldier
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Assuming this was on CNN, at that point, someone should come and throw him out of the building.
speculawyer
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It seems that the only thing you need to be a GOP media consultant is not caring as to whether anything you say is truthful or sane.
el retorno
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It looks like they just got the quote from him.
The Chosen One
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Wow, it's barely been a week and Paul Ryan will probably be a "push" at best for the Romney ticket. And going by the last several days, he may even be a modest drag on the ticket.
With each passing day, Paul Ryan is looking like a typical House congressmen, instead of the most "serious" guy in Washington. He's been evasive, using double speak, and now caught lying (about the Stimulus). He just looks like a typical dodgy attack dog rather than a serious policy guy who isn't afraid to face the hard facts. His brand has already been ruined, IMO.
The Romney campaign has gone on offense this week about Medicare, but in the grand scheme of things they're still playing defense since we're still not talking about the economy. The discussion is just seesawing back and forth between Medicare, taxes and other side issues. Romney has been able to throw in a few jabs about Welfare, but they're still off message.
It doesn't help either that the Romney campaign had no clear plan for their offensive push back on Medicare. One minute, Romney's plan is substantially different than Ryan's. Next it's similar with just a few key changes, then finally the two plans are practically identical. And Romney's budget plan is still vague and missing key details, so he can just keep changing his budget on an almost daily basis.
It will be interesting to see both Romney and Ryan's poll numbers over the next several weeks. They're really going to need the convention to turn things around.
With each passing day, Paul Ryan is looking like a typical House congressmen, instead of the most "serious" guy in Washington. He's been evasive, using double speak, and now caught lying (about the Stimulus). He just looks like a typical dodgy attack dog rather than a serious policy guy who isn't afraid to face the hard facts. His brand has already been ruined, IMO.
The Romney campaign has gone on offense this week about Medicare, but in the grand scheme of things they're still playing defense since we're still not talking about the economy. The discussion is just seesawing back and forth between Medicare, taxes and other side issues. Romney has been able to throw in a few jabs about Welfare, but they're still off message.
It doesn't help either that the Romney campaign had no clear plan for their offensive push back on Medicare. One minute, Romney's plan is substantially different than Ryan's. Next it's similar with just a few key changes, then finally the two plans are practically identical. And Romney's budget plan is still vague and missing key details, so he can just keep changing his budget on an almost daily basis.
It will be interesting to see both Romney and Ryan's poll numbers over the next several weeks. They're really going to need the convention to turn things around.
PhoenixDark
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Aug. 16: Why Im Not Buying the Romney Rally - Nate Silver
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/aug-16-why-im-not-buying-the-romney-rally/
hmm, basically says Ryan has produced a 1% bump so far
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/aug-16-why-im-not-buying-the-romney-rally/
hmm, basically says Ryan has produced a 1% bump so far
What's crazy about all of this is that it seems that Obama has been pretty quiet all week.
The Republican ticket is sinking all by itself.
PhoenixDark
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btw get rdy for the next bullshit train: Ed Klein is claiming Obama asked Hillary to replace Biden on the ticket two weeks ago.
And he heard this from who? Puff the Magic Dragon?
PantherLotus
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That would explain why I haven't got my bumper sticker yet.
Really? I got a free one a looooong time ago. Haven't put it on my car yet. I wanted to before going to my parents' place last week, but my wife told me not to.
He's finally come around to the acceptance stage of the grieving process. Unfortunately it looks like Ed Klein is going to open up old wounds on him. Expect a turn.
And that's a quality source there!
PantherLotus
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No seriously. I donated $3 and they said they'd send me one. NADA. Voting for Hillary now.
I hope that's just a stupid way of saying "Not in a million years would I advise Mitt to release more tax returns because what he's hiding would instantly lose him the election"
There can't be any other explanation to that sort of ridiculous statement.
Just curious, but what's the reason? Is it his budget overall, or medicare?
Thequietone
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Same with my cousin, he always votes and he was voting Romney but after I gave him some background on Romney's past as governor he's not voting for either now. It will be interesting to see what he does.
They both are about to retire, and both are totally against what he wants to do to Medicare.
It's funny not having to defend Obama this time.
gutter_trash
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hell, he wants to cut PBS... who can hate on Big Bird?
PhoenixDark
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My policy posts are usually liberal. My politics posts simply highlight my own thoughts as a political analyst. I haven't changed my mind or anything
Come mid-October, if things are still looking this solid for Obama, we need to put some serious thought into what PD's avatar will be.
cartoon_soldier
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I think I have been more pessimistic about this week when it comes to Ryan's selection and effects than PD.
Tom Morello: Paul Ryan is the embodiment of the machine our music rages against
Always kind of funny when musicians push back against people who use or like their music. As a huge music junkie I just think it's gotta be a kick in the nuts if your favorite band writes a piece about how much they dislike you.
Always kind of funny when musicians push back against people who use or like their music. As a huge music junkie I just think it's gotta be a kick in the nuts if your favorite band writes a piece about how much they dislike you.
I knew this was coming as soon as it was widely known that Ryan liked Rage.
Hobbestetrician
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Now channel that rage, Tom, and give us a new album. It was a damned shame that Rage wasn't around for the Bush years.
Apparently libertarians are suing to keep Romney off the ballot in Washington. There's no chance this'll work, but man it'd be kind of hilarious if it did.
kinda uncharacteristic of them to let the narrative get away
did they sit back and expected RR to implode?
biden really threw a wrench in the whole thing then
the 13% tax thing is funny
not exactly something to be proud of!
He can't be surprised though.
They're not exactly subtle about their politics (or anything for that matter).
I mean, even if he never listened to a word they sang, wrote or said, that still should be pretty fucking clear -
Like you said, this will never happen but man it would be hilarious.
He can't be surprised though.
They're not exactly subtle about their politics (or anything for that matter).
I mean, even if he never listened to a word they sang, wrote or said, that still should be pretty fucking clear -
Edit: man, listening to rage fits so well with the stereotype that libertarians are stuck in their teenage angst phase.
ClassyPenguin
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That describes my teenage me.
They used to be my favorite band.
They used to be my favorite band.
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