BotoxAgent
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Nothing like a good etch-a-sketch won't fix ;-)
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Nothing like a good etch-a-sketch won't fix ;-)
To be fair, most people genuinely don't like the mandate and would be able to name that. The only problem is, you can't get the really nice things in the bill without it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No, the end result is better, more affordable healthcare for everyone and the removal of a needless drag on the economy. That is literally the end result. If you don't like the mandate then presumably you don't like roads or an active military either.
If the Affordable Healthcare Act is allowed to function as intended, it will reduce the deficit, improve our healthcare and improve the economy. No sensible person is even disputing that characterization, including the GAO.
The Librarian
Banned
Crap. You mean I gotta pay for people to put out fires at another person's house?
Da fudge?
titiklabingapat
Member
I have a question about the penalty...err, tax for non-compliance. If you don't comply, they can't exactly lien your property, pursue you for criminal or civil penalties under the tax code. So what can they exactly make you do in order to comply if you don't pay up or get the insurance?
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
If it's just interpreted as a regular tax penalty, they can eventually garnish your wages I believe.
el retorno
Member
The law expressly prohibits things like that. I believe the only thing they can actually punish you for is withholding a tax refund. The IRS can't do anything else.
Lucky Duckies
Aaron Strife
Banned
I liked when she started screaming IT'S A TAX, IT'S A TAX.
Can't go 5 seconds without being political, glad she's on her way out.
Isn't that what the republican party is?
*puzzle*
Zero Hero
Member
Crap, you mean I gotta pay for GOP lawyers to keep this in the court system for 2 years?
Da Fudge?
Byakuya769
Member
bro hug. Sup, man?
hydragonwarrior
Member
OMG can someone PLEASE take that screenshot and run with it as much as you can? They'll take down that blurb eventually - it NEEDS to be spread!! (i.e. Mitt's facebook page, anywhere!)
RoninChaos
Member
The worst part of this entire thing is seeing how many of my friends are fucking morons posting dumb shit on facebook.
If you don't like America you can move.
Just wait until Obama wins re-election. That will be one epic meltdown.
Aaron Strife
Banned
So diablos and PD, is this still the worst month of Obama's presidency?
Sure, the jobs numbers could still be terrible, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad (Greece staying in the Eurozone holding off potential collapse, healthcare upheld).
I'm in a blue state though so the effect for me will be a little muted. Most of my conservative friends on Facebook are older and don't care much for Romney anyway. If I lived in a swing state like NC I'd enjoy it a bit more.
Sure, the jobs numbers could still be terrible, but 2 out of 3 ain't bad (Greece staying in the Eurozone holding off potential collapse, healthcare upheld).
Oh man. The bubble some conservatives live in is so big they can't fathom how he'd possibly be re-elected.Measley said:
I'm in a blue state though so the effect for me will be a little muted. Most of my conservative friends on Facebook are older and don't care much for Romney anyway. If I lived in a swing state like NC I'd enjoy it a bit more.
My democratic congressman didn't; in fact they voted "yes" on it.
I think I'm voting Mountain Party in all of the state-wide elections in WV. I can't stomach the local democrat party anymore.
Can someone explain why congresspeople should vote against holding Holder in contempt of court to me?
I've only heard things supporting the contempt of court charge so far, and my natural tendency is to go for the revealing of information, so I want to hear the counter-point.
On a different note, I'm glad about the health care law being upheld, if only for the selfish reason that I still get to be on my parents' policy (also, I don't believe the people saying it will lead to major tax increases).
I've only heard things supporting the contempt of court charge so far, and my natural tendency is to go for the revealing of information, so I want to hear the counter-point.
On a different note, I'm glad about the health care law being upheld, if only for the selfish reason that I still get to be on my parents' policy (also, I don't believe the people saying it will lead to major tax increases).
Officerrob
Banned
Wasn't gas supposed to hit $5 this summer as well?
The rallying point behind the Fast and Furious case is that republicans believe baseless speculation that it was a secret mission by the Obama administration to get assault rifles to Mexico so they kill people with them. Then they believe that the administration thinks that if the American people see people being killed with assault rifles on the news that they are going to use it to institute an assault rifle ban. There's no actual evidence for this, but the NRA believes it and is going to use this vote to give their ratings to congresspeople. People are afraid of getting a bad rating from the NRA, so they vote for it.
The contempt charge is for the white houses not providing DOJ documents from February 2011 and beyond for the House's investigation into the extent of Holder's knowledge during the operational window of a program that ended in January 2011.
"This program ceased operations in January 2011. We want to know what you knew about this program during this program's operational window. To do this, we need access to documents from February 2011 (the month after), and beyond. What, you won't let us see them? You say that documents created after the program ended aren't relevant to investigating operational involvement? That only documents from operations and in the lead up to operations are relevant? Fuck you. CONTEMPT! *shakes fist*"
They basically are looking for an excuse for a document dump so they can go boogeyman hunting.
Haha, wow. Yeah, it would make no sense for Obama to do that. Thanks.
I'd still kinda like to see what's in the documents, though...
Ah, thanks. That sheds more light on the situation too.
I think the biggest argument is Issa hasn't provided ANY evidence of a cover up and has said he doesn't have any. The whole thing is a non-stop fishing expedition for republicans to try and embarrass the white house. I think its more of a reason why SHOULD they vote him in contempt since I have seen no reason to do so. It reeks of another white water investigation.
The Librarian
Banned
I dunno what's more surprising for me. Roberts siding with the four more liberal justices, or my realization of how radical the three more conservative justices (Kennedy in some ways) are.
I mean, Christ, they were going to throw out the entire thing.
I mean, Christ, they were going to throw out the entire thing.
Sirpopopop
Member
The worst part for me is how little moaning has been going on.
This is why Obama must be re-elected. Ginsberg probably only has a few years left on the court, if that. President Romney replacing Ginsberg would be a disaster.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Drudge is heavily pushing the angle that Roberts may be medically unfit to serve
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/health/01seizure.html?_r=1
2007. Yup
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/health/01seizure.html?_r=1
2007. Yup
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh wow. Desperate
TacticalFox88
Banned
If this day is any indication, the meltdown on November 7th will be magnificent!
Dr. Pangloss
Member
Meltdown? We all know that if Obama wins reelection it's due to voter fraud. Did you not see what he did for those illegals?
President Reagan trying to fuck everyone over even from beyond the grave
THE INVISIBLE HAND
Aaron Strife
Banned
Speaking completely as an outsider (MN), it seems like WV Dems kind of suck. But then again, they did actually win seats in the state senate in 2010, so they know how to play the game.
Nate Silver's model is pretty bullish on Obama lately. 65% of winning in November, 75% in the "nowcast" (if the election were held today i think?), hovering in the 290s for EV. If he can get past 300 that'd be rad.
PhoenixDark
Banned
The complaints from small businesses baffle me. If you cannot pay for your employees, pay the fine - boom, you've just lowered your costs. Meanwhile your employees have control of their own insurance, and no longer have to worry about losing benefits if they lose their job.
How is that not a win win situation?
How is that not a win win situation?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
I honestly think that most people complaining don't really understand, or know what the bill actually does.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Portable insurance = employers no longer have death grip over wage slaves.
PhoenixDark
Banned
True.
I'd love to get eznark's opinion on this, as a business man. I work with (dental) insurance and we're completely at the mercy of insurance companies, as our the patients. And when patients lose their job or go through a transition period, there's nothing they can do. Most people would probably love to have complete control of their insurance through an exchange pool.
BotoxAgent
Member
Don't forget that he was ineligible to hold office to begin with, being that he is a Kenyan Muslim born from Mars.....or a fascist Nazi...or a secular athiest.....I dunno anymore
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