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Officerrob
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Fox News is all over the Holder contempt vote, good luck with that getting any traction today
Unfortunately for Roberts, being an old-school conservative is no better than being a RINO these days.
http://dailykos.com/story/2012/06/28/1103915/-SCOTUS-Twitter-roundup
Twitter round up reaction:
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Twitter round up reaction:
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The unintended consequences of Obamacare.
Holy shit. I was just sifting through the news, and I JUST found out that it was 5-4 with Roberts being the only one disagreeing. What the fucking WHAT.
Unless I'm mistaken, the dude NEVER sided with the liberals with at least one of his buddies doing the same.
Unless I'm mistaken, the dude NEVER sided with the liberals with at least one of his buddies doing the same.
electricpirate
Member
Goodman.
Ok, so if we can look at the rulings today rationally, this document from the Kaiser Foundation might be of some interest:
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upl...te-results-for-adults-at-or-below-133-fpl.pdf
The CBO has estimated that after PPACA is fully enacted, the number of uninsured will drop from around 40M to 20M. According to Kaiser, 15.9M of those newly insured will be due to Medicaid expansion. As the ruling on the Medicaid piece today indicates, States will no longer be coerced into expanding Medicaid at the threat of losing all matching Medicaid dollars from the Feds, just what they would have gotten from expansion.
So question for the supporters: How are you covering those people if the States (or at least about 1/2) refuse to expand Medicaid?
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upl...te-results-for-adults-at-or-below-133-fpl.pdf
The CBO has estimated that after PPACA is fully enacted, the number of uninsured will drop from around 40M to 20M. According to Kaiser, 15.9M of those newly insured will be due to Medicaid expansion. As the ruling on the Medicaid piece today indicates, States will no longer be coerced into expanding Medicaid at the threat of losing all matching Medicaid dollars from the Feds, just what they would have gotten from expansion.
So question for the supporters: How are you covering those people if the States (or at least about 1/2) refuse to expand Medicaid?
Romneys response is in there too.
The fact that he calls it obamacare in an official capacity is so embarrassing.
Woke up at about noon. Intentionally tossed and turned for a few minutes, got stuff from the mailbox, made some coffee, walked around... wasted time.
I was preparing for the worst.
And then I read the law was upheld. The ENTIRE LAW. AND ROBERTS WAS THE ONE WHO SAVED IT. And I was like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!"
I can't believe this!
You can spin this as positive or negative politically. If it was partially or fully struck down, you would have seen a cloud looming over Obama's head 'till November, because he wasted an entire year of his Presidency on getting this passed for nothing. It would have been demoralizing to Democrats and many independents nationwide.
This may embolden the GOP but frankly if it got struck down it would have too, given the nature of our politics and how negativity in any situation rules the day. The media plucks out all possible negative factors and puts them front and center. So this could have been spun as good news for the GOP either way in terms of motivating the base and such.
PPACA is far from perfect but it still does a lot of good, and puts us on a path to single-payer at the state level, even if it takes two decades for the idea to become popular nationally. As this law continues to live on, it will be harder to strike down. Obama must be re-elected, and I think this will help him because it's going to be hilarious to watch Romney try and define a stance as the GE heats up and they debate it.
I was preparing for the worst.
And then I read the law was upheld. The ENTIRE LAW. AND ROBERTS WAS THE ONE WHO SAVED IT. And I was like "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!"
I can't believe this!
You can spin this as positive or negative politically. If it was partially or fully struck down, you would have seen a cloud looming over Obama's head 'till November, because he wasted an entire year of his Presidency on getting this passed for nothing. It would have been demoralizing to Democrats and many independents nationwide.
This may embolden the GOP but frankly if it got struck down it would have too, given the nature of our politics and how negativity in any situation rules the day. The media plucks out all possible negative factors and puts them front and center. So this could have been spun as good news for the GOP either way in terms of motivating the base and such.
PPACA is far from perfect but it still does a lot of good, and puts us on a path to single-payer at the state level, even if it takes two decades for the idea to become popular nationally. As this law continues to live on, it will be harder to strike down. Obama must be re-elected, and I think this will help him because it's going to be hilarious to watch Romney try and define a stance as the GE heats up and they debate it.
Dr. Pangloss
Member
You're asking the wrong question. Why won't the states expand Medicaid when the Feds will pick up 90% of the costs? I'm sure a lot of politicians will like those headlines. Also, not joining the medicaid rolls will just limit the amount the Feds have to spend anyway because the expansion would be limited. The uninsured would then probably get healthcare through the exchanges with the tax subsidies. Those eligible for Medicaid are below the 400% of the poverty line the law sets as a ceiling for the tax breaks.
Officerrob
Banned
Yeah, I'm not sure which is more surprising, that Roberts voted for it, or just how much Kennedy was against it
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Do they not realize if Obama was left to his own devices we'd have the same fucking system?
AMERICANS ARE SO DUMB.
So you're saying California has an extra $3-6.5B laying around?
Yes
Dude Abides
Banned
Kennedy's always had a glibertarian streak.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/Wal... isn't going to implement the health care law.
Ok, guy... the uncertainty from the decision is doing it, eh? Not the uncertainty from people like you trying to hold out and throw everything you can at it? Not that at all? Also, I like the pre-spin on blaming poor job growth in Wisconsin to uncertainty with health care stuff. Not any of your policies, eh, Walker?
Ok, guy... the uncertainty from the decision is doing it, eh? Not the uncertainty from people like you trying to hold out and throw everything you can at it? Not that at all? Also, I like the pre-spin on blaming poor job growth in Wisconsin to uncertainty with health care stuff. Not any of your policies, eh, Walker?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I don't think there was anything good. The initial report that broke was of it being upheld, then there were a few posts of "CNN and Fox are saying it wasn't" and then people realized that it really was.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I want to know what his reaction was
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
"Mr. Obama, one official said, was absorbing the news with a quizzical expression on his face. Jack Lew, the White House chief of staff, stood next to him. When Ms. Ruemmler told him that court had upheld the ruling in a 5-to-4 vote, he broke out in a broad smile and gave her a hug. The networks continued to report a negative ruling, though with the sound turned off, Mr. Obama paid no attention."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/obama-heard-mixed-messages-on-health-ruling-too/
Ela Hadrun
Probably plays more games than you
It certainly ought to, I don't understand what goes ON in this state.
A statewide property tax of less than 0.01% would generate that much revenue. But ohhhh no that's even worse than income tax ohhhhhhh
He was all "Did my check not clear?"
your avatar makes me think my lcd is going bad >:|
Dr. Pangloss
Member
They are already saying the vote was bought with Kagan. Some Representative from Texas is talking about getting her impeached.
The same California that voted for single payer in 2006 and 2008. Schwarzenegger isn't there anymore to veto it.
Aaron Strife
Banned
I don't know how they would even have put that up in the first place.
They probably had their "Obama is DOOMED" stories already prepared and as soon as the result was announced they put them up so they could talk about more horserace bullshit. Now I'd expect talk of hcr to dissipate quickly and they'll run around squawking about the next big disaster waiting for Obama.
Well they gotta grasp to something
Officerrob
Banned
The media, just like the majority of America, was blindsided by this decision. What today proved was who exactly cares more about being first at the cost of possibly being wrong. Fox News is Fox News, it's expected, but CNN was a fucking gong show this morning.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
lmao
Is it me or does Smith look like a woman in that tiny pic? I think someone put a little too much makeup on him.
The funny part about Walker saying this (and all the other moronic GOP governors who will also) is that if they refuse to set up the exchanges themselves, then the federal government comes in and does it for them. So these morons refusing to play ball are just giving even more control to the federal gov. So dumb, so so dumb.
CHEEZMO™;39334036 said:
I've thought that before, actually. As cool of a dude he is, he has a strange face.
Every single one of those quotes sound like they were spoken by Kosmo.
lmao
It was always a tax. Just because you call a bill a"right to work" bill doesn't mean it guarantees the right to work. Similarly, calling something a penalty doesn't mean it isn't a tax. Everyone with a brain rolled their eyes at hte "it's not a tax" statement.
It's a tax you're exempt from with insurance.
maximum360
Member
It's been a bad week for conservatives. They've gotta get a win somewhere.
FnF, already dead to everyone but Fox, people in this thread said it (the story) wouldn't go away.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Exactly. If it was struck down, even just the mandate, it would have been so much worse for Obama.
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