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I mentioned the WSJ as shorthand for Chamber of Commerce Republicans. Y'all consider Gov. Romney's policy farcical because he will have to flip flop or pander to a nativist claque. Pres. Obama flip flopped (promised to pursue comprehensive reform in his first year in office, had majorities in both houses, did not even try) and is beholden to union interests and the need not to antagonize working class whites whose stagnating wages his party blames on open borders Wall St. plutocrats. So we get Pres. Clinton/Dick Morris style triangulation policy (timed just after unions were emasculated in Wisconsin) and yall blame a lame duck filibuster joined by the likes of Olympia Snowe. I won't argue the point further, but there's enough farce to go around on this issue.

Unions hating illegal immigrants isn't as simply as you make it seem. Immigration reform is huge issue for SEIU and UNITE/HERE because of the large immigrant populations among their memberships. Also, a lot of the traditional trade Unions have also realized that putting undocumented workers on the path to legalization will draw them out of the day-labor/cash economy where they are a drag on everyone's wages.
 
Feel-good story of the day: DCCC Fundraising Surges Since Supreme Court Decision on Health Care

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised $2.3 million since the Supreme Court’s landmark decision Thursday ruling the Affordable Care Act constitutional.

In a press release, the DCCC said the average contribution was $35 and that “Saturday was the single biggest grass-roots fundraising day in DCCC history.”

“House Democrats are shattering records because Americans are energized about historic protections for middle class health care consumers and appalled that Republicans plan to vote to put insurance companies back in charge of their health care,” DCCC Chairman Steve Israel (N.Y.) said in a statement.

While House Democrats are bullish on their prospects, they are widely expected to remain in the minority after the Nov. 6 elections.

Republicans also benefited from the high court’s opinion, with presumptive GOP White House nominee Mitt Romney pulling in millions in fundraising after the decision was handed down.

Though the Supreme Court’s decision has shaken a lot of paper off the money tree, the political landscape will likely remain similar to what it was before last week’s ruling.
Hoping the generic ballot looks something like 52-48, 53-47. Democrats would have a chance at winning the House even with redistricting if their margin is big enough.
 

ToxicAdam

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I think a 51.5-49.5 split is a lock.


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Mitt is allowing a woman to be in the drivers seat?! Doesn't he realize the staggering implication of optics on his campaign?
 

Kosmo

Banned
Feel-good story of the day: DCCC Fundraising Surges Since Supreme Court Decision on Health Care


Hoping the generic ballot looks something like 52-48, 53-47. Democrats would have a chance at winning the House even with redistricting if their margin is big enough.

“House Democrats are shattering records because Americans are energized about historic protections for middle class health care consumers and appalled that Republicans plan to vote to put insurance companies back in charge of their health care,”

Note to Steve Israel - insurance companies are still in charge.
 

Jackson50

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My point is that The Wall St. Journal op-ed page is pro open borders because neoliberal big business likes the downward effect mass immigration exerts on lower middle class wages. Unions and their members do not. Pres. Obama needs to hold on to at least some working class whites in states like Ohio. There is an element of political calculation in Pres. Obama's handling of the issue beyond just throwing his hands up at Republican intransigence.
Apropos to my post approximately a week ago on American political parties, party coalitions are not uniform. Issue incongruity is common. Thus, there are Republican constituencies amenable to increased immigration and Democratic constituencies correspondingly opposed. Nevertheless, you'll find less tension in the Democratic Party on immigration. Labor unions are ambivalent on immigration. They oppose efforts of corporations to, as they purport, exploit immigrant labor thereby undermining organized labor. Consequently, they oppose a guest worker program. Conversely, immigrants constitute a potentially remunerative opportunity to gain new members; labor overwhelmingly supported the DREAM Act. And organized labor largely supports the full legalization of undocumented workers; that is, amnesty.

Further, given the Obama Administration's support of FTAs, an issue which engenders considerably greater opposition from labor unions, I doubt they were a significant impediment to comprehensive immigration reform. I think it was a combination of strident conservative opposition and, more simply, a strategic decision to prioritize other issues. The 111th Congress passed HCR, financial regulatory reform, and considered cap-and-trade legislation in addition to various other issues. Sure, he broke a promise. But there's scant evidence it was a consequence of disunity within the Democratic coalition. Whereas, the Republican Party has fractured on the issue. Hard.
Obama could have done more to reach out to them, but ultimately they had little interest in working with him anyway. He certainly reached out a few times but slowly stopped

Some argue republicans will snap back to their senses if Obama wins again. Nah...they'll turn attention to 2014 by blocking anything and everything they can.
No. There was little Obama could have done to cajole Republican support. They were unremitting in their opposition. The notion Obama could have done more to entice Republicans is risible.
The return of Guileless to Poligaf is the best thing to happen since CharlieDigital and cntrational left.

<insert Th3Bore's bowing smiley here>
CharlieDigitial was fine as I recall. But cntrational, amen.
 

Jackson50

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It'd be one thing if they actually commissioned a poll specifically for those 15 states.

Conducting a national poll and then inferring "swing state poll" from a small sample of 39 voters per state is shitty and just a headline-grabber.
Yeah. That was flagrantly poor. But it's easy to misinform a public ignorant of proper methodology. Really, the media struggles to understand proper methodology.
More post-mortem on the Roberts decision:
The premise was similar to the article I posted yesterday. Roberts may have considered strategic interests, but his vote was not incongruous with his prior behavior.
 

ToxicAdam

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Roberts may have considered strategic interests, but his vote was not incongruous with his prior behavior.


Although, I wonder if Kennedy would have came forward as being the swing vote, if he wouldn't have stuck with his initial inclination (of overturning). Seems likely.
 

Chumly

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Rham Emanuel for the fucking win. Remember Joe Rickets? Wanted to fund a 10 million dollar racism based campaign against Obama. Wants Chicago to help pay for a Wrigley Field renovation (I thought conservatives were against government help?). Well, rejected.

Now his Son is making rounds of Black Radio...lol

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/base...ade-held-up-by-anti-obama-campaign/55990862/1
Glad to see him tell rickets to kiss his ass. If rickets has so much money to waste the he can invest it in his business instead of asking for government bail outs. I mean isn't that what poor ole joe wants? Less government intervention?
 
Yeah. That was flagrantly poor. But it's easy to misinform a public ignorant of proper methodology. Really, the media struggles to understand proper methodology.
"Virtual tie" vs. "statistical tie" is always funny because it's complete bullshit. Campaigns are equally guilty of this.

This poll has us down 5! But the margin of error is 3! IT'S BASICALLY A TIE
 

Jimothy

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I think a 51.5-49.5 split is a lock.


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Mitt is allowing a woman to be in the drivers seat?! Doesn't he realize the staggering implication of optics on his campaign?

I have never seen a bad picture of Romney. I guess that's what never having to worry about money does for your looks.
 

Kosmo

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That's just a normal embarrassing-dad photo.

Oh for sure, but when Obama's out of his element, you can really tell he has that "why the fuck am I doing this?" look. Seriously, he needs a helmet to ride around a few paved trails? I see some "Well, if you don't wear a helmet, kids will think it's OK....." political decision behind that forced by some advisor. Also, looks like a ladies bike.
 

codhand

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I see some "Well, if you don't wear a helmet, kids will think it's OK....." political decision behind that forced by some advisor. Also, looks like a ladies bike.

Probably to both points.

But, that youngobamawithpanamahatsmoking.jpg is one of the coolest pics ever, president or otherwise.
 

Patrick Klepek

furiously molesting tim burton
Oh for sure, but when Obama's out of his element, you can really tell he has that "why the fuck am I doing this?" look. Seriously, he needs a helmet to ride around a few paved trails? I see some "Well, if you don't wear a helmet, kids will think it's OK....." political decision behind that forced by some advisor. Also, looks like a ladies bike.


Or, ya know, he's a dad, and he's setting an example.
 

AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!

well, strictly speaking, he MADE his money, but he was born into wealth and privilege. He attended very good schools, was instructed and fed properly, etc.

He gave away all of his inheritance though when he received it. I wouldn't call him a self-made man, but he is hardly a trust-fund baby in the conventional sense of laziness and not making anything of himself.
 

Kosmo

Banned

Kerry's childhood sounds dreadful:

Kerry was born in Aurora, Colorado, at Fitzsimmons Army Hospital on December 11, 1943; his father was a member of the Army Air Corps at the time.[20]

Kerry has said that his first memory is from when he was three years old, of holding his crying mother's hand while they walked through the broken glass and rubble of her childhood home in Saint-Briac, France. This visit came two and a half years after the United States had liberated Saint-Briac from the Nazis on August 14, 1944. The family estate, known as Les Essarts, had been occupied and used as a Nazi headquarters during the war. When the Germans abandoned it, they bombed Les Essarts and burned it down.

The sprawling estate was rebuilt in 1954. Kerry and his parents would often spend the summer holidays there.
During these summers, he became good friends with his first cousin Brice Lalonde, a future Socialist and Green Party leader in France, who ran for president of France in 1981.

While his father was stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Oslo, Norway, Kerry was sent to Massachusetts to attend boarding school. In 1957, he attended the Fessenden School in West Newton, a village in Newton, Massachusetts. The Fessenden School is the oldest all-boys independent junior boarding school in the country. There he met and became friends with Richard Pershing, grandson of First World War U.S. Gen. John Joseph Pershing. Former Massachusetts senator Ted Kennedy also attended the Fessenden School, although several years prior to Kerry.

The following year, he enrolled at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire, and graduated from there in 1962. Kerry learned skills in public speaking and began developing an interest in politics. In his free time, he enjoyed ice hockey and lacrosse, which he played on teams captained by classmate Robert S. Mueller III, the current director of the FBI. Kerry also played bass guitar for the prep school's band The Electras, which produced an album in 1961. Only five hundred copies were made, one of which was auctioned on eBay in 2004 for $2,551.

In 1959, Kerry founded the John Winant Society at St. Paul's to debate the issues of the day; the Society still exists there.[21][22] In November 1960, Kerry gave his first political speech, in favor of John F. Kennedy's election to the White House.

In 1962, Kerry was a volunteer for Ted Kennedy's first Senatorial campaign. The summer after his graduation from St. Paul's, he dated Janet Jennings Auchincloss, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy's half-sister. Auchincloss invited Kerry to visit her family's estate, Hammersmith Farm, in Rhode Island, where Kerry met President John F. Kennedy for the first time.

According to Kerry, when he told the president he was about to enter Yale University, Kennedy grimaced, because he had gone to rival Harvard University. Kerry later recalled, "He smiled at me, laughed and said: 'Oh, don't worry about it. You know I'm a Yale man too now.'" According to Kerry "The President uttered that famous comment about how he had the best of two worlds now: a Harvard education and Yale degree", in reference to the honorary degree he had received from Yale a few months earlier. Later that day, a White House photographer snapped a photo of Kerry sailing with Kennedy and his family in Narragansett Bay.

Reminds me of that Austin Powers scene: "My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons."
 

Kosmo

Banned
Has PoliGAF ever discussed the notion that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father? I don't even think that it's something Obama would know and would put the birther nonsense to bed.
 
I never said he wasn't born into an advantageous situation.

No, you said that Romney made his money making him much better then Kerry, where I am arguing that due to conditions of Romneys birth I wouldn't say that his wealth is entirely attrubitable to him personally.
 

Jackson50

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Although, I wonder if Kennedy would have came forward as being the swing vote, if he wouldn't have stuck with his initial inclination (of overturning). Seems likely.
Yeah. His reported reversal suggests he had factored strategic interests beyond the merits of the case. That's why I do not totally discount the possibility. Although, the decision may have simply been terribly difficult to decide.
"Virtual tie" vs. "statistical tie" is always funny because it's complete bullshit. Campaigns are equally guilty of this.

This poll has us down 5! But the margin of error is 3! IT'S BASICALLY A TIE
Yeah. The fundamental misunderstanding of the margin of error is the most annoying aspect. This article delineates how the media consistently fails in its coverage of opinion polls.
Oh for sure, but when Obama's out of his element, you can really tell he has that "why the fuck am I doing this?" look. Seriously, he needs a helmet to ride around a few paved trails? I see some "Well, if you don't wear a helmet, kids will think it's OK....." political decision behind that forced by some advisor. Also, looks like a ladies bike.
Probably the same adviser that advised Michelle to patronize Target.
 
Pretty much every major politician was born into wealth and privilege, including Kerry (and Obama).

Yeah, that failure of an insurance selling grand-dad of Obama's was rolling in it.


Has PoliGAF ever discussed the notion that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father? I don't even think that it's something Obama would know and would put the birther nonsense to bed.

What the fuck? PoliGAF starts spending time discussing that sort of stuff, I'm out.
 

Kosmo

Banned
No, you said that Romney made his money making him much better then Kerry, where I am arguing that due to conditions of Romneys birth I wouldn't say that his wealth is entirely attrubitable to him personally.

Romney gave away his inheritance. At best I would say that both were on equal footing in their upbringing - one went to Harvard, one went to Yale. You're basically arguing that Kerry was only born with a golden spoon in his mouth while Romney's was platinum.

Probably the same adviser that advised Michelle to patronize Target.

Probably: "And don't forget the Lysol wipes - connect with women at home."
 

Chichikov

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Pretty much every major politician was born into wealth and privilege, including Kerry (and Obama).
That's really not true.
It's true that pretty much every major politician ends up being really rich and privileged, but that's a different story.

Also, why are we talking about Kerry so much?
 
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