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[cartoon_soldier]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Heaven forbid we are allowed to make are own choices and conclusions.

"Democrats say the world is round. Republicans say the world is flat, and the scientific community is in a conspiracy to misinform the public. Who's right? We report, you decide."

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

Yup, that's damn good.

 

[ToxicAdam]

District gerrymandering is disgusting. They make these ridiculously contorted districts just to slice up voters (often minority clusters) and take away their voice.

That's one way to look at it, I look at it as robbing normal people of a true choice. When a district becomes so slanted to one party it completely destroys the ability of the other party to attract viable candidates for people to vote on. So if the dominant party happens to have a real shitheel in office, s/he will never be challenged unless it comes within his party. Which almost never happens unless there is some kind of conviction/charges brought against the person or they turn into a walking corpse.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

Great ad and a winning platform.

 

[Zzoram]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

I hope he has ads like this on TV. It's so presidential and reasonable.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

It's a web ad, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

 

[Aaron Strife]

It's a web ad, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

It's airing on TV. OFA made two-minute reserves in several of the battleground states.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

It's a web ad, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

If you had gone to see the video...you would see it is a made for TV ad.

 

[GhaleonEB]

It's a web ad, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

Someone didn't click the link.

 

[Zzoram]

It's airing on TV. OFA made two-minute reserves in several of the battleground states.

Hell ya. Ads like this are the best political ads. They show people Obama's vision forward and are positive in tone.

 

[pigeon]

District gerrymandering is disgusting. They make these ridiculously contorted districts just to slice up voters (often minority clusters) and take away their voice.

Computer-aided redistricting should really be a policy goal, although it's hard to get a party to support it.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Hell ya. Ads like this are the best political ads. They show people Obama's vision forward and are positive in tone.

Worth noting that he only spends 15 seconds (out of 2 minutes) talking about Romney's plan.

MOST NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN IN HISTORY KLFWEJLEK

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

I'm still looking for a decent republican message board just to get a feeling on the other side of the election.

It's like.. Impossible. The lunatic fringe has completely taken over that party.

Do Huntsman fans have their own message boards?

Also, I've been looking at old electoral college maps for past elections and they're interesting to say the least. Just looking at maps from '76 to '92 tell the story about how Reagan essentially destroyed every path to victory the Democrats ever had and how Clinton rebuilt the party after 12 long, dark years.

Clinton built the west coast and northeastern urban strongholds Democrats have relied on ever since. From that base, it has become harder and harder for Republicans to win fairly. Both the 2000 and 2004 elections look like aberrations from that perspective, 2000 especially.

There is a parallel universe out there somewhere in which Gore won the 2000 election and I think the US in that universe looks a lot like the current one (sans the War on Terror, Iraq and Afghanistan) if slightly ahead on progressive policy. Maybe that universe even has a public option in its ACA equivalent. Certainly, Obama would still have been around and even be president now, but he'd be the third in a line of Dem presidents rather than the breakthrough figure he is here.

The Republicans might still be as crazy as they are now or they may have moved to the left as Bush tried to do with his "compassionate conservative" political positioning. My guess is crazy because Obama being black would have radicalised them regardless.

 

[adamsappel]

DNC chops up Romney's new tv ad lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnR_BcvkuzY&feature=youtu.be

I do not like that they include "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message." I think using that line out of context opens them up to criticism they are trying to deceive people, plus allows the Republicans to do the same, and I doubt they would be quite so tame about it.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Worth noting that he only spends 15 seconds (out of 2 minutes) talking about Romney's plan.

MOST NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN IN HISTORY KLFWEJLEK

The site shown at the end of the plan does all the attacking for him. It's a feel good, positive ad - and the site is a brutal side by side on every topic, pivoting off the "Forward" slogan to paint Romney as "Backward". It's always been implied, but now it's explicit. Ouch.

 

[Cloudy]

It's a web ad, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

That's definitely a TV ad. Besides the fact it says TV in the title, the production values are too good for a web ad lol

 

[Loudninja]

Thats a great ad.

 

[speculawyer]

Which is why you don't vote for the Masshole who enacted an Assualt weapon ban. Stupid douchebag Romney.

I don't think anyone is doing anything on guns. It is a dead issue in reality but it is still used to fire up the troops on the right with fear.

They are comin' for ya!

 

[Zzoram]

I do not like that they include "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message." I think using that line out of context opens them up to criticism they are trying to deceive people, plus allows the Republicans to do the same, and I doubt they would be quite so tame about it.

It's obviously satire, I don't think it is deceptive.



Republicans are already running with blatant lies and have been for a long time. I don't see how this ad would make the Republicans do anything worse than they already are.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I do not like that they include "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve this message." I think using that line out of context opens them up to criticism they are trying to deceive people, plus allows the Republicans to do the same, and I doubt they would be quite so tame about it.

Now that is actually just a web video response, not a TV ad.

 

[PhoenixDark]

The Obama "Table" ad is basically the exact stuff he promised in 2008, and to a degree Kerry promised in 2004. End tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas! More teachers (nevermind many state budgets still are in shambles)! I'm baffled that people can fall for this again...until I remember who he's running against. A man who has been running for president for what, 6 years and has yet to provide a detailed plan on anything. I think the American people are being short changed here. If ever there was a need for an honest debate on issues, it would be now. Instead we've got recycled plans vs no plans, while Washington waits to gobble up whoever wins, rendering most of their "plans" useless

 

[Zzoram]

The Obama "Table" ad is basically the exact stuff he promised in 2008, and to a degree Kerry promised in 2004. End tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas! More teachers (nevermind many state budgets still are in shambles)! I'm baffled that people can fall for this again...until I remember who he's running against. A man who has been running for president for what, 6 years and has yet to provide a detailed plan on anything. I think the American people are being short changed here. If ever there was a need for an honest debate on issues, it would be now. Instead we've got recycled plans vs no plans, while Washington waits to gobble up whoever wins, rendering most of their "plans" useless

I agree with this statement.

 

[pigeon]

Very well, then how do we combat the narrative and promote bipartisanship?

Couple of issues here. One is that the current intense partisanship is due to the collapse of the Republican coalition as a national force -- so the more extreme wings of that coalition, sensing disenfranchisement, are mobilizing in force while they still can. I draw your attention yet again to John Boehner, who, while first encouraging some level of partisanship, then attempted compromise -- only to be cut off at the knees by the Tea Party Caucus, who played up the Obama socialist Muslim stuff so aggressively that they couldn't compromise and stay in office. Compromise politics can and have worked -- that's a big part of why Americans prefer divided government. They do tend to be slow and messy, and I don't love that, but short of a constitutional convention we're pretty much stuck with the electoral system we've got. The problem we're seeing today is that we're in the middle of a serious paradigm shift -- a generational revolution, essentially -- and so everything is completely screwed up because that's basically what happens in revolutions. But I don't think it'll last forever. I could be wrong.

In the long term, I'd love to see a system that isn't first-past-the-post. I'd also like a fundamentally socialist restructuring of the federal state. But what are you gonna do?

 

[SmokeMaxX]

The Obama "Table" ad is basically the exact stuff he promised in 2008, and to a degree Kerry promised in 2004. End tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas! More teachers (nevermind many state budgets still are in shambles)! I'm baffled that people can fall for this again...until I remember who he's running against. A man who has been running for president for what, 6 years and has yet to provide a detailed plan on anything. I think the American people are being short changed here. If ever there was a need for an honest debate on issues, it would be now. Instead we've got recycled plans vs no plans, while Washington waits to gobble up whoever wins, rendering most of their "plans" useless

Interesting analysis, although a far more interesting analysis would be one of Romney's intimacy with his wife. Care to entertain us?

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

An easy fix for the US system is a preferential voting system of some kind. I vote Australian Democrats and Greens every time, but my choice after that is Australian Labor. It means that my third party vote is not 'wasted' or nullified as a de facto vote for Tony Abbott.

Any voting system that does not require you to vote strategically or lose your say is better than the simple voting system the US currently has.

Question: theoretically, could a third party form a coalition with any other party under the US system? Say the Republicans won 265 electoral votes and the Libertarians won 7, could they form a coalition and elect a Republican president between them?

 

[B-Dubs]

Question: theoretically, could a third party form a coalition with any other party under the US system? Say the Republicans won 265 electoral votes and the Libertarians won 7, could they form a coalition and elect a Republican president between them?

That isn't how it works, if no one gets a majority it'll either go to the courts, the house, or they just pick whoever got the most.

 

[The Librarian]

An easy fix for the US system is a preferential voting system of some kind. I vote Australian Democrats and Greens every time, but my choice after that is Australian Labor. It means that my third party vote is not 'wasted' or nullified as a de facto vote for Tony Abbott.

Any voting system that does not require you to vote strategically or lose your say is better than the simple voting system the US currently has.

Question: theoretically, could a third party form a coalition with any other party under the US system? Say the Republicans won 265 electoral votes and the Libertarians won 7, could they form a coalition and elect a Republican president between them?

The US doesn't have a parliamentary system, so there would be no "coalition" in any sort of traditional sense. In that case it'd go to the House, where party control of that chamber will heavily influence the outcome.

 

[Oblivion]

I haven't seen the video, but Democrats starting to lie makes me a tad nervous, guys.

We're supposed to be better than that.

 

[Hitokage]

The US doesn't have a parliamentary system, so there would be no "coalition" in any sort of traditional sense. In that case it'd go to the House, where party control of that chamber will heavily influence the outcome.

We actually do coalitions, but they're more of an internal party matter and caucuses in the actual legislative bodies are the exception.

 

[XenodudeX]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

That sounds nice and all, but how exactly is he going to do all of this. People are getting on Romney's case about the lack of specifics, but isn't Obama doing to same?

 

[The Librarian]

We actually do coalitions, but they're more of an internal party matter and caucuses in the actual legislative bodies are the exception.

That's why I said not in the traditional sense, or rather, as they are known in parliamentary systems.

 

[Zzoram]

Didn't Romney have a super detailed 59 step plan or something during the primaries? Where did that go once he became the candidate?

 

[watershed]

That sounds nice and all, but how exactly is he going to do all of this. People are getting on Romney's case about the lack of specifics, but isn't Obama doing to same?

You have a point about lack of specifics but I would say that we have a far better idea of how Obama would govern based on his first term. We have 4 years of policy making, foreign policy, battles fought, won, and lost to understand what President Obama believes in and how he tries to govern. With Romney we have none of this because he has all but disavowed his years as governor (unless you count being "proud" of healthcare reform only when talking to Hispanic audiences), and has only presented vague notions about boosting the economy based on the same trickle down policies that we already know don't work.

 

[Forever]

Didn't Romney have a super detailed 59 step plan or something during the primaries? Where did that go once he became the candidate?

Etch-a-Sketch'd.

 

[PhoenixDark]

what the fuck
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/ann-romney-on-leno-5-things-we-learned_n_1916524.html

Ann Romney on Leno. haha wow. I wonder how Fox would react if Michelle told a sex joke

 

[AniHawk]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

i <3 campaign obama

also, forward is a great campaign slogan. it's not as catchy as 'yes we can' but it's pretty fucking clever given the political climate recently.

 

[Gotchaye]

That sounds nice and all, but how exactly is he going to do all of this. People are getting on Romney's case about the lack of specifics, but isn't Obama doing to same?

As a self-contained ad, that's to some extent true.

But even just here there are strong suggestions of particular policies. He actually gets reasonably specific at least once in each of his four points - tax breaks for companies that invest in the US, doubling fuel efficiency standards, expanding student aid, tax increases for the wealthy and use half the money we were spending in Afghanistan on infrastructure or something. That's a hell of a lot better than "we'll eliminate deductions".

And a lot of what he was saying clearly referenced other policies he's endorsed, even if he didn't specify those policies in this ad. One huge advantage of not having Romney's record of flip-flopping is that it's probably safe to assume he still believes things he said a few months ago.

 

[Kettch]

That sounds nice and all, but how exactly is he going to do all of this. People are getting on Romney's case about the lack of specifics, but isn't Obama doing to same?

He seemed pretty clear on the how:

1) Tax breaks for companies keeping jobs in America (to create a million manufacturing jobs).
2) Improving fuel efficiency and expanding alternative energy source programs (to cut oil imports in half).
3) Hire 100,000 teachers, expand student aid (to maintain best workforce).
4) Tax raise for the wealthy, end wars (to cut deficit by 4 trillion).

You can argue over the validity of the how, but he didn't just give baseless promises there. Romney would have just said what was in parentheses.

 

[Aaron Strife]

As a self-contained ad, that's to some extent true.

But even just here there are strong suggestions of particular policies. He actually gets reasonably specific at least once in each of his four points - tax breaks for companies that invest in the US, doubling fuel efficiency standards, expanding student aid, tax increases for the wealthy and use half the money we were spending in Afghanistan on infrastructure or something. That's a hell of a lot better than "we'll eliminate deductions".

And a lot of what he was saying clearly referenced other policies he's endorsed, even if he didn't specify those policies in this ad. One huge advantage of not having Romney's record of flip-flopping is that it's probably safe to assume he still believes things he said a few months ago.

It's not like Obama's platform outlined in that ad is very explicit, but it's certainly more detailed then "Cut taxes and hope it all works!"

 

[GhaleonEB]

i <3 campaign obama

also, forward is a great campaign slogan. it's not as catchy as 'yes we can' but it's pretty fucking clever given the political climate recently.

It really is. It says as much about the Obama agenda as it does the opposition party. There's an implied contrast.


New poll from MA has Warren up six points.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/poll_elizabeth_warren_pulls_ah.html

With 50 days left until Massachusetts voters decide who will represent them in the U.S. Senate for the next six years, Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren has pulled ahead of Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, according to a new poll.

The survey of Bay State voters conducted Sept. 6-13 by the Western New England University Polling Institute through a partnership with The Republican and MassLive.com, shows Warren leading over Brown, 50 to 44 percent, among likely voters.

The gap among registered voters is even larger, according to the survey, which concluded Warren leads 53 to 41 percent. The poll of 545 registered voters has a 4.2 percent margin of error, while the sample of 444 likely voters has a 4.6 percent margin of error.

Tim Vercellotti, professor of political science and director of the Polling Institute at Western New England University, said Warren's lead comes in part from the fact that she's shored up support among Democrats to 89 percent, while losing only six percent of her party's support to Brown.

Dems coming home, so it's support she's not likely to lose.

 

[reilo]

lol.

Got followed by this guy on twitter:

https://twitter.com/DrPaulFick

Welcome to my blog and the home of The Destructive President: Inside the Mind of Barack Obama. I am a clinical and forensic psychologist who is extremely concerned about the psychological status of the president and the impact of this upon the country. I firmly believe that Obama’s significant psychological problems are the driving force behind his desire to destroy America and her traditional institutions. After studying Obama for four years, I authored The Destructive President to provide a definitive explanation of Obama’s psychology so that Americans can once and for all understand why Obama is devastating America. Rush Limbaugh said that he believes Obama is filled with hate and that he is intentionally destroying America. Rush added that he is not a psychologist. Well, I am and The Destructive President explains why Obama is filled with hate, why his thinking is distorted by victim logic, and why Obama is directing his unrelenting rage at the country.

Needless to say I blocked him.

 

[Cake Boss]

I was just thinking yesterday that it is time for a 2 minute ad from Obama contrasting Romney vs his plan

And here it comes! Wooho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYI7qPO5wVw&feature=player_embedded

Fuck Yea, this is awesome. I was thinking it was time for Obama to open a new front in the contrast and this does it brilliantly.

Hmmm more promises, like ending torture promise and closing guantonomo.

 

[Aaron Strife]

It really is. It says as much about the Obama agenda as it does the opposition party. There's an implied contrast.


New poll from MA has Warren up six points.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/poll_elizabeth_warren_pulls_ah.html


Dems coming home, so it's support she's not likely to lose.

Lockdown.

Just wait until MA voters learn that she's not really Native American!

Scott Brown is just the worst breed of politician. "Look, I'm just like you! I have good hair and drive a truck! also I'm going to vote to cut your benefits"

 

[The Librarian]

It really is. It says as much about the Obama agenda as it does the opposition party. There's an implied contrast.


New poll from MA has Warren up six points.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/poll_elizabeth_warren_pulls_ah.html


Dems coming home, so it's support she's not likely to lose.

Give it up, Dax. It's over.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Give it up, Dax. It's over.

I was just going to tell you to start despairing.

 

[Forever]

Hmmm more promises, like ending torture promise and closing guantonomo.

Obama has been pretty good with promises actually.

It really is. It says as much about the Obama agenda as it does the opposition party. There's an implied contrast.


New poll from MA has Warren up six points.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/poll_elizabeth_warren_pulls_ah.html


Dems coming home, so it's support she's not likely to lose.

I'm not sure if I'm more pleased that Scotty's on his way out or that Warren will be Senator.

 

[speculawyer]

New poll from MA has Warren up six points.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/09/poll_elizabeth_warren_pulls_ah.html

Brown really scalped his campaign and now he is feeling all red faced. The lead was given to him but it was an Indian giver. But the smoke signals coming out of his camp don't indicate that the two sides will be smoking a peace pipe any time soon. So I think we will continue to see his warrior spirit.

Spoiler

I couldn't help myself. Indian giver was particularly loathesome.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Obama has been pretty good with promises actually.

His posting will not be dictated by fact checkers.

 

[The Librarian]

Hey, PD, can you predict Republicans will keep the House so Democrats will get it back?

 

[PhoenixDark]

As a self-contained ad, that's to some extent true.

But even just here there are strong suggestions of particular policies. He actually gets reasonably specific at least once in each of his four points - tax breaks for companies that invest in the US, doubling fuel efficiency standards, expanding student aid, tax increases for the wealthy and use half the money we were spending in Afghanistan on infrastructure or something. That's a hell of a lot better than "we'll eliminate deductions".

And a lot of what he was saying clearly referenced other policies he's endorsed, even if he didn't specify those policies in this ad. One huge advantage of not having Romney's record of flip-flopping is that it's probably safe to assume he still believes things he said a few months ago.

But he said the same stuff four years ago - why should anyone believe it's going to magically happen this time? Was a bill that ended tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas ever brought up in the senate? I'd imagine it's something Pelosi might have passed in the house, knowing it would never pass in the senate nor would Obama support a losing fight.

Likewise, everyone would like to see more teachers. But how do you do that with state budgets in the red? And do more teachers/more money do anything to fix an education system that is fundamentally broken? It reminds me of The Wire where the governor was advised to stay away from school reform - but here the motto is "just fake it." And then in four years he gets to say he hired more teachers and it becomes an applause line.

Ultimately this goes to a fundamental problem with President Obama, and a major difference between him and Candidate Obama. Right now Obama is saying change doesn't just come from within Washington, it comes from outside. The notion being that if people make enough noise or call their congressman or write letters, the red sea will be parted and obstruction will end; surely Mitch McConnell would shake in his boots if only a few thousand people marched on Washington demanding a tax increase for their bosses. That's not how Washington works, and President Obama knows it - yet Candidate Obama continues to propagate this.

Bills that had no chance of passing were left to die; in fact they didn't reach the senate. Obama didn't fight for anything that wasn't going to pass in some form or fashion. Financial reform? Let lobbyists gut it, don't address "too big to fail," get a couple republicans to vote for it, and boom call it a day; a pragmatic decision to get a bill passed for the sake of passing a bill. But you can't fake ending tax breaks for companies who ship jobs overseas. And four more years of Obama trying to play good cop with Boehner, or getting regular folks to "change things from the outside" won't change that.