PantherLotus
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This is as big of a mistake as branding the ACA "Obamacare." What's next, dubbing the Navy SEALS "Obama's Boys?"
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This is as big of a mistake as branding the ACA "Obamacare." What's next, dubbing the Navy SEALS "Obama's Boys?"
RoninChaos
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Can't hurt the job creators by letting people vote! SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WORKING.
speculawyer
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Gas prices are high because that is where the market sets them. Apparently the GOP hates the free market if they want to whine about high gas prices.
Prices are higher because world-wide demand is up and supply is weakly growing
Demand: China buys more cars than the USA now, other Asian countries growing, oil-producing states subsidize their oil such that they waste it like crazy
Supply: The easy oil is gone. You just cannot find easy big fields of conventional oil anymore. Instead we rely on ultra-deepwater oil (BP's Macando well), pressure-washing oil-stained dirt up in Alberta Canada, and fracking shale fields for "tight oil" (the North Dakota oil boom). All of these techniques are more expensive than traditional conventional liquid oil. If there was cheap easy oil to be extracted, the oil companies would do it!
And the GOP has dreams about drilling our way out of the problem. It just won't happen. The truth is (that GOPers don't know or won't admit) is that oil production has increased more during the Obama administration than at any point during the last 30 years. It is not a supply issue . . . it is just a fact that oil is now more expensive to extract since we had to switch from conventional oil to nonconventional oil.
So their prescriptions on gas prices are just like their other policy prescriptions . . . pure wishful-thinking fantasy.
And that is why I absentee ballot vote, easiest way to avoid being excluded and make sure your vote does not conflict with your life
PantherLotus
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I need to stop reading Silver for a bit. I'm getting way too confident. When that happens and your candidate loses, you get completely emotionally destroyed and personally devastated, and then you spend the next decade pretending that the other side will always win if only to spare your hopes and dreams from getting dashed once again. I call it getting PD'd.
Yeah, you probably should take his model with a grain of salt until we see whether Obama gets a convention bounce or not. The model right now is presuming Romney should have gotten a 4-point bounce.
guess they'll be looking for empty chairs during his speech
In 2009, I thought that the Democrats were certain to gain seats in the 2010 election. That election really fucked me up. I lost some friendships that day.
Yep, we really just need to see whether there's any sign of a bounce for Obama out of this convention. If there is any, I'd say he's well on his way to securing this thing (assuming he performs half-decently in the debates). And if there isn't, well he's still the favorite, but perhaps not an overwhelming one.
But if the DNC is as successful tonight and tomorrow as it was yesterday, and there's still no sign of a bounce, just forget about these things significantly mattering ever again.
But if the DNC is as successful tonight and tomorrow as it was yesterday, and there's still no sign of a bounce, just forget about these things significantly mattering ever again.
I just saw an ad over lunch, was Clinton basically saying "Romney will be like another W., Obama would be like another me. You guys like me, don't ya?"
I think what you meant to say, at least in the US, was that the easy oil is off limits.
PantherLotus
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His model has been perfect, statistically speaking, for at least three election cycles. We have every reason to believe this will be a landslide.
CharlieDigital
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Are you really this dense?
There is no proof that there is and sizable amount of "easy oil" in any of those red regions while domestic production of oil has reached an all time high under Obama.
Yup, the only people who had high expectations and then were leveled with dismay at the 2010 results ignored what was right in front of them for about a year.
SirButterstick
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Romney is basically an empty suit. In a sane world, nobody would vote for this goof.
And there is actually no definitive proof that oil reserves are even close to being depleted (not even counting oil may be abiotic in origin to begin with - but that's another discussion). For all intents and purposes, hysteria about Peak Oil has been a myth every time it's brought up.
In a sane world, one requirement we would require of those running things is that, you know, they have actually ever run something.
Would running them into the ground count?
PantherLotus
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Blergmeister
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Ah, so you hate Romneys choice of Paul Ryan as a VP pick!
CharlieDigital
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You did not even read my post or address my point -- you are completely arguing a fictional strawman.
In that particular aspect, I'm not a fan of Ryan. Though I'm sure those that ding Ryan on that also hold Obama to the same standard.
:-/
PantherLotus
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ALL THE OIL
PantherLotus
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The people who mention that about Ryan are specifically responding to the similar accusations about Obama. This is a false equivalency equivalency.
Blergmeister
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That's how I broke him and got the Good Point response!
speculawyer
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This is why I have Kosmo blocked and I just get his garbage second hand. It is just incredibly stupid garbage.
ANWR = Alaska National Wildlife REFUGE
Do you know what that words means . . . it means you want to break promise we made. But that is typical. I'm actually for a grand-bargain in drilling in ANWR if a high-royalty payment is extracted and that money is used to support alternative energy development. This grand-bargain needs to be done to shut up the whiners.
California - The people of the state of California say "No" to the drilling. Do you hate democracy or do you think we should respect their decision. In the long-term, that oil will eventually be drilled up . . . and like ANWR is really good that we wait since we'll get a much bigger payment for it later. The UK sold its oil for less than $20/barrel over the last 30 years and now has to pay $110/barrel to buy oil on international oil markets. That doesn't look so smart now, does it?
But here is the real kicker . . . throw off-shore California and Alaska wide open . . . it would make almost no difference whatsoever. It might reduce gas prices by 3 cents a gallon at best. The time it would take and the production rates just don't matter.
Abiotic oil is is the birtherism (or creationism) of the oil industry. I'm not surprised Kosmo mentions it. And it is so amazingly stupid because even if you assume it is true (which it is not), it happens at such a slow rate that it makes no difference whatsoever!
Peak oil is fact. The only question is when it will happen. You can't consume a finite substance forever.
The only proven easy oil that is off limits is off the west coast of California and ANWR.
ANWR = Alaska National Wildlife REFUGE
Do you know what that words means . . . it means you want to break promise we made. But that is typical. I'm actually for a grand-bargain in drilling in ANWR if a high-royalty payment is extracted and that money is used to support alternative energy development. This grand-bargain needs to be done to shut up the whiners.
California - The people of the state of California say "No" to the drilling. Do you hate democracy or do you think we should respect their decision. In the long-term, that oil will eventually be drilled up . . . and like ANWR is really good that we wait since we'll get a much bigger payment for it later. The UK sold its oil for less than $20/barrel over the last 30 years and now has to pay $110/barrel to buy oil on international oil markets. That doesn't look so smart now, does it?
But here is the real kicker . . . throw off-shore California and Alaska wide open . . . it would make almost no difference whatsoever. It might reduce gas prices by 3 cents a gallon at best. The time it would take and the production rates just don't matter.
Peak oil is not about reserves, it is about production. It doesn't matter if you have infinite reserves, if the rate of production cannot be increased, it doesn't matter how big your reserves are.
Abiotic oil is is the birtherism (or creationism) of the oil industry. I'm not surprised Kosmo mentions it. And it is so amazingly stupid because even if you assume it is true (which it is not), it happens at such a slow rate that it makes no difference whatsoever!
Peak oil is fact. The only question is when it will happen. You can't consume a finite substance forever.
CharlieDigital
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Now prove that it's easy.
And also show me the economic impact on tourism.
CharlieDigital
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Don't worry, God will put more in the ground for us!
Kosmo just got sonned.
CHEEZMO
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Huh? What are you talking about? There's no rebuttal to Kosmo's point posted anywhere. HEY LOOK IT'S OBAMA ON A BICYCLE DOESNT HE LOOK SILLY GUYS
speculawyer
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That is basically what abiotic oil theory amounts to.
RustyNails
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Not sure about McCain but Obama didnt get any bounce in 2008 DNC Convention. I'm not expecting much this election. 24 hr news cycle, instant social media coverage, etc.
A continuation of this. Obama's attorneys have filed a motion urging the judge (or just a judge?) to enforce his decision to restore early voting. Anyone have any idea what could happen? It's so crazy that they can do this.
CharlieDigital
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Reminds me of spontaneous generation.
PhoenixDark
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DNC's second day lineup looks rather weak outside of Clinton. Warren, Pelosi, Steny Hoyer...bleh
PantherLotus
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LIMBAUGH SEED SUCCESSFUL
IDEA REJECTION DETECTED
INITIATE THREAD VACATE
IDEA REJECTION DETECTED
INITIATE THREAD VACATE
PantherLotus
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Warren and Pelosi can burn it down and are the best kind of liberals.
As a note, don't search for "Are you ready for some football" in google image search with safesearch off while at work. oy.
True enough! But they also went first back in 08, so perhaps that will make a difference this time around. (and perhaps a weak jobs report on Friday will overshadow it all). That's why I'm so interested in what numbers come out next week. It'll forecast much of what to expect in the final 10 weeks or so.
Black Republican
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yeah im only interested in Clinton, Fluke maybe too
PantherLotus
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Man it's gettin' dry up in here. Let's see if we can get some backpats loaded in.
Bulbo's troll in the healthcare thread was fantastic.
I fucking wish we could compare our health system to Canada's.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/castro-texas-will-be-purple-state-by-2020
Castro: Texas Will Be Purple State By 2020
Castro: Texas Will Be Purple State By 2020
PantherLotus
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^ 
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...s-that-obama-couldnt-fill-stadium.php?ref=fpa
I cannot believe the GOP is seriously trying to suggest Obama couldn't fill up a stadium. Who are they trying to convince, themselves?
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...s-that-obama-couldnt-fill-stadium.php?ref=fpa
I cannot believe the GOP is seriously trying to suggest Obama couldn't fill up a stadium. Who are they trying to convince, themselves?
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