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[Loudninja]

Oh this is funny.

Our media tracking says Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity were touting our national poll for Daily Kos and SEIU last night. That's a first

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/256041249574891520

 

[Doc Holliday]

Damn TA at least you could have waited till after the election.

 

[Taiser]

I'm not pulling a Diablos here but on the other hand one's gotta wonder who all these people are who watched that debate and went, " Well by GAWD, Romney's right!".

can't blame them really, even obama was nodding in agreement when romney spewed his shit.

 

[turnbuckle]

Using my second to last post to bid you all adieu. Thanks for the laughs, the information and the spirited debates. I can honestly say that I have learned quite a bit in my time here which is always a good thing when present yourself as a know-it-all. I will definitely miss all the quality posters that occasionally post in this thread and will most likely still lurk to some degree during huge events.

But 35,000 posts and 8 years is enough for me (and enough OF me). See ya around the internet.

But if you're still going to be on the internet, why not continue to contribute towards a community that you've admitted to being enriching and entertaining? It's like breaking up with a beautiful and intelligent woman that you love because you want something new. It's like a mid-life crisis.

I don't post in poligaf nearly enough, but I read it plenty. Over the time you've been a member you've become one of my favorite posters. Anywho, no use pleading for someone to do something they've decided against, but you're gonna be missed man. Best of luck to ya

 

[demon]

Leaving a community you are a part of because you reach some arbitrary post number is honestly quite strange. I hope all is well. Take care.

Maybe hitting such a big round number just made him re-evaluate his priorities. Just lurking this shit is time-consuming; posting all the time must be a second job. Quitting right before the fuckin election is weird though....

 

[Miletius]

That front-page Politco piece concerning the angst on the left is f'n hilarious. It's like peering into this thread over the past week. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82226.html


Just picked out some of my fav parts. Some of the reactions, like Sullivan's, are just embarrassingly pathetic. And it really does more to hurt things than help.

Anyway, that last quote I bolded p. much summed up my feelings on it too. If you're worried, then there are tons of outlets out there to volunteer (https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/become-a-volunteer) and help out, no matter what state you're in. And if that's just not possible, then donate/donate/donate. Better to turn those scary feelings into something constructive, and if Bams does lose, well, at least YOU can say you went down trying.

The overreaction is amazing I'll give you that. Even the usually timid Republicans in the comments section of 538 are now coming out of the woodwork to say "I told ya so" and "Romney is a landslide, lol, pollz smolls." My brain hurts reading those posts.

See ya TA. Probably one of the posters I respect the most here, even when you disagreed with GAF you always did in a thoughtful manner.

 

[Stinkles]

Oh wow. Ann Romney on GMA with a dressage horse and a servant. Brilliant move.

 

[aronnov reborn]

Oh wow. Ann Romney on GMA with a dressage horse and a servant. Brilliant move.

modern day Kennedy family. white house bound.

 

[Effect]

The good thing about the Dem panic is that it can not go unnoticed by the Obama campaign. Its so crazy that they have to be concerned that it could hurt not people going to Romney but not coming out to vote. Perhaps the kick in the ass they needed.

 

[LosDaddie]

I'm not pulling a Diablos here but on the other hand one's gotta wonder who all these people are who watched that debate and went, " Well by GAWD, Romney's right!".

How much conservative media do you consume? Do you listen to the nutjobs on AM radio when they have a "liberal" callers on the show? Have you seen how "liberals" are treated on Fox News' shows like The Five, Hannity, and OReilly?

The people who came away impressed with Mitt in Debate #1 are people who love conservative media. Mitt acted like the conservative pundits do on their shows; cutting off /interupting Obama (and the moderator), and generally being the loudest guy in the room.

But also, Americans like their politicians to be forceful, even if what they're saying is a lie.

 

[aronnov reborn]

How much conservative media do you consume? Do you listen to the nutjobs on AM radio when they have a "liberal" callers on the show? Have you seen how "liberals" are treated on Fox News' shows like The Five, Hannity, and OReilly?

The people who came away impressed with Mitt in Debate #1 are people who love conservative media. Mitt acted like the conservative pundits do on their shows; cutting off /interupting Obama (and the moderator), and generally being the loudest guy in the room.

But also, Americans like their politicians to be forceful, even if what they're saying is a lie.

how'd obama get 4 more minutes of talk time then mitt? I guess mitt should have interrupted more?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

The good thing about the Dem panic is that it can not go unnoticed by the Obama campaign. Its so crazy that they have to be concerned that it could hurt not people going to Romney but not coming out to vote. Perhaps the kick in the ass they needed.

Well they haven't shown anything that says they are waking up. Apart from the Big Bird ad...

 

[RDreamer]

Well they haven't shown anything that says they are waking up. Apart from the Big Bird ad...

They released a Medicare an Medicaid ad, too.

 

[Chris R]

So has the "Islamic Ring" Obama supposedly wears been discussed yet?

 

[Cloudy]

Oh wow. Ann Romney on GMA with a dressage horse and a servant. Brilliant move.

Stuff like this should calm down Dems. They wouldn't be doing this if they really thought Romney was suddenly winning

 

[HylianTom]

And he ended the interview with this quote, aimed at his supporters, 'I got this'.

http://rnbphilly.com/2377688/tjms-p...ut-the-debate-and-importance-of-voting-audio/

Haha!

 

[smurfx]

http://rnbphilly.com/2377688/tjms-p...ut-the-debate-and-importance-of-voting-audio/

Haha!

well he sure as hell didn't have it in the first debate. not to mention letting mitt romney back into the race could possibly make some democrats lose their seats.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

They released a Medicare an Medicaid ad, too.

I was looking for something along the lines of...http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/10/romney_debates_himself.html#050774a

 

[Zabka]

Obama doesn't need to just call Mitt out. He needs to talk himself up more.

 

[Loudninja]

well he sure as hell didn't have it in the first debate. not to mention letting mitt romney back into the race could possibly make some democrats lose their seats.

You have not been pay attention at all.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Obama doesn't need to just call Mitt out. He needs to talk himself up more.

Calling Romney out couldn't hurt at all, especially when Romney makes it so easy for him.

 

[Incognito]

http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/09/...mpaign-officials-at-the-chicago-headquarters/

big bird

HALPERIN: Yeah, and the President’s best sound bites over the past two days have been about the debate.

OBAMA ADVISER 1: Well, because, it’s not likely that Mitt Romney is going to stop being dishonest in the next debate. I would bet my life he’s not. And, so, we’re not going to let up on it. It has nothing to do with the debate. It’s also talking about what he’s saying on the stump. And, that’s not inconsistent with what the President’s been doing all along. Holding Mitt Romney accountable for the positions he’s taking, regardless of what he’s saying, what he wants you to believe. Now, we did a pretty big push on his foreign policy speech yesterday. Had nothing to do with the debate but we put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears in that one and, you know, I think it’s reflected in some of the stories. So, the Sesame Street ad is really just a parody. It is one of the biggest take aways of that debate for Americans who don’t care about politics. That is one of the few things that broke through. So it’s just a parody of that. It’s mostly going to be run on comedy channels.

OBAMA ADVISER 2: It’s not going to run in battleground states.

OBAMA ADVISER 1: We’re not putting it into our rotation.

OBAMA ADVISER 2: And here’s the other thing. It’s important at some point to have a little levity here. And to say to people on comedy channels, “hey, this is fun.” This is, like…

OBAMA ADVISER 1: Or, “can you believe this guy?”

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Right. That debate was parody-able.

OBAMA ADVISER 3: Bold leadership.

HALPERIN: And you say it’s broken through, how do you know that?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Have you seen the viral stuff all over the Internet? Have you searched Funny or Die and how many views that’s gotten? Have you seen how many kids have signed that petition?

battleground states

HALPERIN: I know you’re not going to talk about your research in any great detail but is the public polling that shows the battleground states tighter accurate? Inaccurate?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: We are not seeing a dramatic shift. We are seeing what we always thought, which is a small consolidation with him, but we continue to lead in every battleground state. We continue to, our map is continuing to be where it is.

HALPERIN: So, that means that in the eight states we’re talking about, nine if you include Wisconsin, that you think you are ahead or even in every one today?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Mhmm. Yeah.

HALPERIN: So, to the extent the debate had an impact on those nine states, what was it? How would you qualify it or quantify it?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Well, first of all, ..I think it’s too, it’s becoming about time to look or a little soon to figure out what’s noise and what’s not. But, you know, … there’s just not a lot of movement out there. This race is pretty stagnant.

HALPERIN: So, the conventional wisdom is, driven partly by the national polls and some state polls, that the debate had a transformative effect on the President’s and Governor Romney’s standing nationally and in the battleground states is incorrect?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Correct, we do not believe that at all. And, you know, if you want to believe a Pew poll that shows us tied with women voters and having party ID move ten points in a month, which would be 20 million people, I think that you should…

OBAMA ADVISER 1: 20 million people decided they were Republicans in the last month.

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Right, it’s just not, you know, it’s just not…

OBAMA ADVISER 1: And we’re going to see more of these polls coming out to show tightening of the race and that’s just, that’s how it goes. And, you know, just like we got a bounce coming out of the convention, we knew that bounce wasn’t real and wasn’t going to be sustainable. This isn’t going to be sustainable either.

early voting

HALPERIN: I want to come back to the Electoral College in a second, but just to finish up on the ground. So, you think, in all nine states, your ground game is superior and will count for a point or two?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: I think it depends on where. A point in Florida is a big point, as you know. A point or two -- [Harry] Reid added two in Nevada, and that was the off year when they had a small organization. I think what is true is we are superior on the ground in every battleground state, no question about it… I bet my life on that. No question. And I think we have the ability to do two things: both persuade the undecideds and turn out our vote. And that’s something, I don’t think they can do both. At their level you can just pick one, right? And I think that’s a problem for them and I think that’s what we’re doing every single day. The TV is so monolithic, I think people are throwing their TV out eventually, and they’re going to look at their friends and family and say, what do I do in this election? And that’s where the Neighborhood Team Model matters. And, you know, you shouldn’t believe my B.S. or Matt’s [Rhoades]. In the end, look at the numbers. And voter registration numbers in these states have moved dramatically. Our early vote, you look at Iowa, you know, everyone’s reported on it. We have a, not small, mammoth lead. We continue to have a lead in Ohio and, very important, you know, we lost early vote in Florida by 300,000 in ’08. We’re down now 80,000 as of this morning. We continue to close that. We are going to get to parity in the amount of Democrats versus Republicans in Colorado for the first time since 1992. That is a big chunk of business. So, our ground metrics are good. Do I think these states are going to be close? Absolutely, and that’s what we’re preparing for and that point or two you talked about is going to be the difference.

HALPERIN: Back of the envelope, what does the court decision in Ohio mean, in terms of an edge for you?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: It is a fact over 100,000 Democrats used those three days last time to participate in the process.

HALPERIN: A net advantage or total?

OBAMA ADVISER 2: Net advantage. And so, we ended up winning by 240,000 last time. That’s a big net advantage.

 

[smurfx]

just some frustration coming out. seeing obama be his usual coward self at the debate reminded me of how much i dislike obama. still want him to win but its frustrating seeing him always look weak.

 

[HylianTom]

New Ras numbers:
Iowa: 49-47, O
Colorado: 49-48, O
New Mexico: 54-43, O
Nevada: 47-47
Connecticut: 51-45, O
(conducted on Oct 7 & 8th)

 

[CHEEZMO™]

So has the "Islamic Ring" Obama supposedly wears been discussed yet?

Hahahallah oh what now?

 

[thefro]

well he sure as hell didn't have it in the first debate. not to mention letting mitt romney back into the race could possibly make some democrats lose their seats.

Obama guaranteed that the hand-wringing was going to be over by this time next week after the VP & 2nd Presidential Debate and that one of his big problems was being "too polite" in the first debate. So I'm feeling pretty good.

 

[Effect]

Obama doesn't need to just call Mitt out. He needs to talk himself up more.

Both. When Romney lies he has to call him on it and talk up himself. That was the biggest problem with the last debate. Allowing Romney to lie his ass off. Even if Romney continues to do it he needs to create enough doubt. Enough so that when the post-debate analyst starts pundits have no choice but to address it. It's not about the debate but shaping the narrative as soon as it's over. That includes having Obama's people sending information to pundits after every answer.

 

[Frank the Great]

http://rnbphilly.com/2377688/tjms-p...ut-the-debate-and-importance-of-voting-audio/

Haha!

haha it is awesome that he knows about gifs like that.

New Ras numbers:
Iowa: 49-47, O
Colorado: 49-48, O
New Mexico: 54-43, O
Nevada: 47-47
Connecticut: 51-45, O
(conducted on Oct 7 & 8th)

tight polls, but not a lot of undecideds left. was always going to be like this. i still don't see how rmoney breaks that 47/48 ceiling in states like iowa and colorado, especially when this is the height of the rmoney campaign and the superior obama ground game is thought to be worth at least an extra percentage point of votes.

 

[adamsappel]

Using my second to last post to bid you all adieu. Thanks for the laughs, the information and the spirited debates. I can honestly say that I have learned quite a bit in my time here which is always a good thing when present yourself as a know-it-all. I will definitely miss all the quality posters that occasionally post in this thread and will most likely still lurk to some degree during huge events.

But 35,000 posts and 8 years is enough for me (and enough OF me). See ya around the internet.

Just kidding, man, you'll be missed.

 

[PhoenixDark]

.Is that the site where you obsessively dissect every post/poster on NeoGAF

Only a handful of people talk about GAF there, meh

 

[RustyNails]

haha it is awesome that he knows about gifs like that.

There was a story earlier where they showed Obama "Everyone chill the fuck out..I got this" gif, and he said "Exactly!".

tight polls, but not a lot of undecideds left. was always going to be like this. i still don't see how rmoney breaks that 47/48 ceiling in states like iowa and colorado, especially when this is the height of the rmoney campaign and the superior obama ground game is thought to be worth at least an extra percentage point of votes.

Keep in mind that this is Rasmussen/lolmussen. They lean heavy R, and have very rarely shown Obama lead nationally.

 

[Loudninja]

New Ras numbers:
Iowa: 49-47, O
Colorado: 49-48, O
New Mexico: 54-43, O
Nevada: 47-47
Connecticut: 51-45, O
(conducted on Oct 7 & 8th)

This is the first time Obama has been ahead in the CO poll btw.

Hmm some of these polls are 2 days old.

 

[Cheebo]

Ras switched their lv model from +3 r to +2 d today.

 

[aronnov reborn]

New Ras numbers:
Iowa: 49-47, O
Colorado: 49-48, O
New Mexico: 54-43, O
Nevada: 47-47
Connecticut: 51-45, O
(conducted on Oct 7 & 8th)

I'm surprised they have Missouri as a toss up? i thought that always went red? and if Romney could get any state in the North East that would have to be considered a huge win. Connecticut or NH.. which he is somehow up by 3 points in..

 

[Loudninja]

Obama On Debate: 'I Was Just Too Polite'

Well, two things. I mean, you know, the debate, I think it’s fair to say I was just too polite, because, you know, it’s hard to sometimes just keep on saying and what you’re saying isn’t true. It gets repetitive. But, you know, the good news is, is that’s just the first one. Governor Romney put forward a whole bunch of stuff that either involved him running away from positions that he had taken, or doubling down on things like Medicare vouchers that are going to hurt him long term.
…And, you know, I think it’s fair to say that we will see a little more activity at the next one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/obama-debate-polite_n_1954559.html?1349882803

 

[pigeon]

I don't understand how we can all agree that Rasmussen's numbers are biased, not in a specific manner, but arbitrarily from day to day (which makes them entirely worthless) and yet still link to them. I don't even consider them a daily tracker now that I see that Sam Wang doesn't either.

 

[Cloudy]

Ras switched their lv model from +3 r to +2 d today.

Why would the LV model switch?

 

[LosDaddie]

Is that the site where you obsessively dissect every post/poster on NeoGAF? .

The GAF offshoot forums are...an interesting read every once in a while. Lots of angst and bitterness. :lol

 

[RustyNails]

I don't understand how we can all agree that Rasmussen's numbers are biased, not in a specific manner, but arbitrarily from day to day (which makes them entirely worthless) and yet still link to them. I don't even consider them a daily tracker now that I see that Sam Wang doesn't either.

You know a Poll is bunk when it shows CT or NJ in play.

 

[Loudninja]

I don't understand how we can all agree that Rasmussen's numbers are biased, not in a specific manner, but arbitrarily from day to day (which makes them entirely worthless) and yet still link to them. I don't even consider them a daily tracker now that I see that Sam Wang doesn't either.

I agree.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Why would the LV model switch?

Ras weights their polls so its bad anyway.

 

[PhoenixDark]

If Obama loses, I wonder how he'll be remembered - as a bumbling Carter or Ford or a Reagan or Clinton who just happened to not get a second shot. It will be interesting to see if his own side instantly jumps ship and starts attacks of their own or if they stick with him through the years.

"Only losers lose"

I think he'll be remembered as someone who hurt the democratic party, and liberalism - while not accomplishing much of anything; also as someone who wasted the largest liberal mandate since the mid sixties. Much of Obama's actions as president are aimed at a long term gameplan, and if he doesn't get two terms to flesh them out than they'll look like failures to most Americans. A Romney win would certainly mean the end of Obamacare (for the most part), a reversal of EPA regulations, and a repeal of Dodd-Frank. On the foreign policy front it might mean the US moves back to an almost pure focus on Middle Eastern strategy/blunders, a reversal of the Obama administration's focus on Asia. Judicial wise, he has little record in terms of appointing federal judges due to obstruction, and his successor would be replacing liberal judges on the SC - thus ensuring conservative dominance of the court for a generation.

Meanwhile if the CBO is right and we get 12 million jobs, it'll be seen as a complete rejection of liberal tax policy. And that's perhaps the biggest problem, because a good economy might give him the mandate he'll need to really go apeshit on domestic issues.

I've long felt that republicans were basically trying to neutralize the Bush years by destroying Obama. I doubt Obama will be considered a worse president, but if his four years are seen as a failure then it won't matter. And as someone else said, we'll have a clear precedent of an obstructive party ruining government to a point where a president cannot properly govern in an economic crisis.

 

[Cheebo]

If Obama loses, I wonder how he'll be remembered - as a bumbling Carter or Ford or a Reagan or Clinton who just happened to not get a second shot. It will be interesting to see if his own side instantly jumps ship and starts attacks of their own or if they stick with him through the years.

Presidents who lose re-election are not remembered fondly. Pretty much ever.

 

[syllogism]

Ras switched their lv model from +3 r to +2 d today.

Do you mean from +3 d to +2 d?

 

[Loudninja]

A full 80% of Latinos say they plan to vote for Obama in Arizona

New polling data out of Arizona released by America’s Voice and Latino Decisions suggests Arizona may be much closer than the polling averages indicate. A full 80% of Latinos say they plan to vote for Obama, compared to just 14% for Romney, and Latino enthusiasm is much, much higher in Arizona than the national average. In Latino Decisions national tracking poll 34% of Latinos say they are more excited about voting in 2012 while 36% say they were more excited back in 2008. In Arizona 60% are more enthusiastic in 2012 compared to just 16% who were more enthused in 2008. In October and November 2010 Latino Decisions polling in Nevada was picking up similar trends in Nevada, leading then Washington Post columnist Edward Schumacher-Matos to note on Election Day before the polls closed: “As the Western returns come in tonight, look out for the possibility of a Latino surprise. For the Democrats, a high Latino turnout could possibly save Harry Reid in Nevada.”

If Latino turnout is high in Arizona this year, it will be the Nevada of 2012 that takes the mainstream media by surprise.

http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog...he-big-latino-vote-that-you-didnt-see-coming/

 

[Chris R]

Hahahallah oh what now?

Obama apparently wears a ring inscribed with "There is no God but Allah" according to a few websites. Sounded to me like some on the right might try to run with this like they did with the Birth Certificate stuff in 08 to scare voters into voting for Romney.

 

[Amir0x]

New Ras numbers:
Iowa: 49-47, O
Colorado: 49-48, O
New Mexico: 54-43, O
Nevada: 47-47
Connecticut: 51-45, O
(conducted on Oct 7 & 8th)

best Romney can do after a blow away debate from Ras no less

All Biden has to do is defeat Ryan and the trajectory will be back to normal; if Obama wins or ties on Tuesday the race will be the same as it was pre-debate.

If they both suffer catastrophic defeats, then I think the mumblings about something fundamental changing might begin to ring true(r), although I think electorally there's really no way to win without a true Obama gaffe.

 

[Lambtron]

And as someone else said, we'll have a clear precedent of an obstructive party ruining government to a point where a president cannot properly govern in an economic crisis.

I assume the four presidents on Mount Rushmore will simultaneously shed one tear if this comes true, proud at what we've become.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Stuff like this should calm down Dems. They wouldn't be doing this if they really thought Romney was suddenly winning

Can't relax till next debate.

best Romney can do after a blow away debate from Ras no less

All Biden has to do is defeat Ryan and the trajectory will be back to normal; if Obama wins or ties on Tuesday the race will be the same as it was pre-debate.

If they both suffer catastrophic defeats, then I think the mumblings about something fundamental changing might begin to ring true(r), although I think electorally there's really no way to win without a true Obama gaffe.

I think a second bad debate performance is equivalent to a true Obama gaffe.

 

[Tamanon]

Obama apparently wears a ring inscribed with "There is no God but Allah" according to a few websites. Sounded to me like some on the right might try to run with this like they did with the Birth Certificate stuff in 08 to scare voters into voting for Romney.

Oh, so nonsense then.