The Librarian
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They have done some stuff I disagree with, therefore they are evil. Yeah, no, I don't take that stance.
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The Technomancer
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Its a position I'm pretty conflicted on. On the one hand yeah, its really easy to see the conflict of interest issue if they ever plan to go back into the industry (or of course if they still have friends and investments, which, well, they will)
On the other hand, set a thief to catch a thief. I can see the side that says that specialized knowledge of decades of actually working with the systems and regulations can be valuable.
oh, whatever, I'm not arguing for them being "evil". that's a boring conversation. I was just pointing out that there's a massive conflict of interest here and highlighting Sperling's middle-class-destroying track record in light of that.
In practice, I've yet to see this work. In fact, I'd say the opposite has been happening with Dodd-Frank, which has been becoming more and more pathetic by the month for years now. It has been sabotaged from all sides and implementation is being fought every step of the way.
China.
I think the technical term is bandwagoning.
Once I sort my internet in my place I should probably post a bit more (thought probably not as much as before, there is much to do here) but sheeeeeit, my Chinese doesn't quite cover troubleshooting cable modems.
zero shift
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Why are you in China?
Same reason why dogs lick their balls, because I can.
I got an opportunity to work there for a few years and I took it, it's shaping up to be a very smart decision, Beijing is an amazing city.
It's worth making explicit that these are completely separable. Yes, we want people with certain sorts of experience. No, we don't want them to be able to go back to the private sector after doing the government job. Let's make that happen.
How's the firewall?
The Great Firewall of China is to my VPN what the Great Wall of China was to the Mongols.
zero shift
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I find it amusing that if someone says "I'm going to live in China for a few years." People say "Cool!"
But if you substitute that with Cuba or Vietnam its "Are you crazy you'll be executed!"
But if you substitute that with Cuba or Vietnam its "Are you crazy you'll be executed!"
Dr. Pangloss
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Mary Jo White got a lot crap for being a white collar defense attorney, but she is doing a great job so far at the SEC: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/07/25/sac_criminal_charges_for_insider_trading.html. Not only is her department suing a hedge fund, but they also stopped the neither admit nor deny wrong doing settlements with the banks.
Avon Barksdale
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Colbert was on fire tonight.
#GOPLOLYOLO
#GOPLOLYOLO
I don't think you're particularly likely to get executed in any of these place, and I would imagine it would be cool to live in all of them (at least for a while).
Avon Barksdale
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PhoenixDark
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I can't cosign wolves guarding the hen house, which is how administrations have handled financial regulatatory positions for decades. Obama telegrmmed what type of administration he'd be running when he brought the Boy Wonder and Summers into his cabinet, and it became more clear as Volker was marginalized. Although some would argue it was obvious back in his senate days, and early in the campaign as the Wall Street money can pouring in.
That's not to say everyone who has Wall Street ties is bad, but when much of your administration had Wall Street ties that's a warning signal.
That's not to say everyone who has Wall Street ties is bad, but when much of your administration had Wall Street ties that's a warning signal.
America: Freest Nation on Earth, unless you want to go to Cuba.
It's a pretty awesome vacation destination, great food, great beaches, super friendly people.
I don't think it's too hard to get there either, I know a bunch of Americans who did (I don't have that issue sinceI have a non-US passport).
p.s.
OMG fox news was right!
zero shift
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My mom's cousin did. She visited the real Cuba. Her then boyfriend was Cuban and LOVED the country. Quite in contrast to Cuban-Americans. When she got their she was surprised by the poverty. But keep in mind she's never been outside of America.
I've always been curious to see what Cuba is really like. My school has a study abroad program to there but I want to see the real Cuba.
You could usually just ask a Cuban-Amercian but they seem even more disconnected with how their country is than Venezuelans and Israelis.
NYCmetsfan
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Sometime Poligaf reveals itself to be much more liberal on most issues than me. I'm a liberal american but probably fall dead center on in the world.
Though my views are not really neatly left or right even in specific categories. I'm pro-government regulation, but hate the EU's incredible ability to overreach. Very pro-immigration. Pro single payer, but want privately run clinics. I'm very realist when it comes to defense but also very internationalist when it comes to other issues such as climate change, trade, space, science. I'm just a hodgepodge of stuff.
I'm very comfortable with the democratic party on most issues in their party platform. Its the best party in the world in conforming to my views.
Though my views are not really neatly left or right even in specific categories. I'm pro-government regulation, but hate the EU's incredible ability to overreach. Very pro-immigration. Pro single payer, but want privately run clinics. I'm very realist when it comes to defense but also very internationalist when it comes to other issues such as climate change, trade, space, science. I'm just a hodgepodge of stuff.
I'm very comfortable with the democratic party on most issues in their party platform. Its the best party in the world in conforming to my views.
Similar views to mine.
What exactly do you mean by the EU's "incredible ability to overreach"?
NYCmetsfan
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I think many of their regulations are silly I think regulation and EU directives are sometimes an end to themselves in the EU. For example the them forcing Microsoft to put chrome and mozilla on their software. I just think the focus on things that are very small and shouldn't really be the subject of law and regulation let alone on the international scale
I mean I don't think they're killing freedom, its just unnecessary.
Black Mamba
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=74089278&postcount=9554
I agree with your earlier post, btw.
zero shift
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I'm considered merely "center left" on here. In the real world people call me a Socialist or even a Communist. When I say that minimum wage should be at least $13 per hour, mandatory welfare for single parents, free government run college and healthcare, support for workers cooperatives, and demand more income equality than Sweden people's eye widen. People are often shocked when I call Obama a rightist.
Yes. Hell just talk to any Cuban-American. They LITERALLY think Cuba is North Korea.
You mean the thing that put Firefox and Chrome on the map and had the internet browsers get out of the 20th century and becoming immensely innovative an competitive? I found that to be a great move.
Hate to break it to you, but you are a socialist.
zero shift
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But people on GAF say I'm not.
Aaron Strife
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GOP's a joke. Can Pelosi just be speaker again?
Class traitors, all of them!
TestOfTide
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North Carolina is going to end up with fewer abortion facilities than MIssissippi.
So at what point does the NC GOP start banning contraceptives just because.
So at what point does the NC GOP start banning contraceptives just because.
The Librarian
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You're at the very least implying that. That they're "Wall Street cronies," and don't have the public interest at heart, and are therefore bad men for the position. Also, what is Gene's "middle-class destroying" record? Helping repeal Glass-Steagall? As far as I am aware, the 2008 financial crisis had little to do with repealing that bill.
While we're discussing his record, let's take a closer look at him being an adviser to Goldman Sachs:
According to a source familiar with the episode, Goldman Sachs approached Sperling for advice on globalization. He took this opportunity to pitch the company an idea in sync with his nonprofit work: the firm ought to invest in social capital in poorer nations. He suggested it focus on business education in developing countries. Goldman Sachs asked for a proposal. He worked one up: devoting $100 million for business training for 10,000 women in these nations. Goldman Sachs, via a foundation it operates, went for the idea and eventually asked Sperling to implement it. On the advice of friends, he requested that he be paid what the investment firm might pay a top lawyer or dealmaker: $70,000 a month. And that's what he earned for a year or so. He did no commercial work for the investment bank. Dean Baker, of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research, chimes in: "I don't think it's a question of outright corruption. It's a question of orientation. Most people hear you got almost a million dollars for a part-time job, and they think there's a problem there. But people on Wall Street say, a million bucks is chicken feed."
What's so bad about that? Let's also take a look at what he did after Clinton was done:
After the Clinton administration ended in 2001, Sperling, according to a former Clinton administration aide, spoke to several "wise men" about what he should do next. As a former NEC director, he was in great spot to cash in. And he received the same career advice from all of these counselors: go to Wall Street for the next eight years, make millions, and then return to public service (when there might be a Democratic president). He didn't follow this guidance. Instead, Sperling devoted most of his time to addressing the challenge of global poverty, particularly promoting the need for basic education in developing nations (with an emphasis on educating young girls). He created and led the Center for Universal Education at the Council on Foreign Relations. (The center is now based at the Brookings Institution.) He wrote papers and articles and convened seminars on how the world's wealthy had to do more (and spend more) to redress poverty in developing nations, especially Africa, where he traveled frequently. He developed a program with Hollywood star Angelina Jolie to push for educating children in regions of conflict.
And what's so bad about that?That doesn't sound like "incredible overreach". In fact, I dispute the characterization that strong anti-trust laws are small or silly. Frankly, I appreciate that Europe doesn't let companies get away with some of the anti-consumer shit they freely pull here in the US.
empty vessel
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Absolutely.
Keep going, GOP. You keep evolving a new motto for south carolina.
"North Carolina: Making South Carolina looking downright sane."
The Librarian
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Quick, somebody have abortions with me before all the clinics close!!!!!
cooljeanius
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cooljeanius is just sayin' what we're all thinkin'!
The Librarian
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The superior gender continues to show its superiority.
Frankly, if I had the choice between companies being over-regulated vs under-regulated (or non regulated at all) I'd choose over-regulated without the slightest bit of hesitation.
Ignatz Mouse
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I am sitting 6 feet from Milton Freedman's son David.
NYCmetsfan
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It does to me. We don't need to government to prevent us from making the wrong browser choice. Or making sure olive oil is in proper containers or that food is sold only by weight. Regulation to me should only be for the health and safety of the population and to correct severe imbalances that affect the overall economy or large sector of the economy or for extreme examples like Jim Crow where certain people are treated unfairly do to know fault of their own otherwise I don't think the government should be directing or guiding the economy all to closely I trust lots of aspects of the market when they're within reasonable bounds. It why we differ I don't think its the government's right or responsibility to enforce silly things like that especially when its unelected. That's why PoliGaf and most of Europe is seemingly to the left of me.
I don't mean to say that what the EU does is BAD but its just not to me what governments should be doing. Let the people and companies decide.
I support a higher minimum wage thats a livable one, I support more help with college though probably not free college but something I think like australia or the UK where you only really pay if you can, I support private ownership of captial though but I don't mind if wokers decide how to run their opperation and I'm supportive of labor because its an important part of the capitalist system. I do have problems with people using their own definitions of right and left to tar the president though. Most of GAFs political axis is tilted pretty far from where the right and left divide is. Which is why its silly to call obama a center right leader he's not, some of his proposals might be to the right of some republican proposals in years past but Obama is firmly in the tradition of the US left and unless your going to call LBJ or Carter right he fits that mold. The problem is obama is more right than YOU but that doesn't make him a rightist.'
Darnit! But this should be reassuring to what actually happens if the GOP ever were to get power. They'll cut a lot of things and it would be bad but its not going to end the US economy and put tens of millions on the streets.
And what earlier post?
The things you listed are legislated because of the issued you listed. It ensures you have proper choice (not illusion of choice, or none at all) and that food is safely stored and honestly sold. Market forces would never regulate that without regulatory oversight..
NYCmetsfan
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Browser choice isn't a severe imbalance, neither is olive oil (it wasn't a safety regulation it was to protect 'real olive oil or something' from imitations if I remember right). I'm referring to things like making sure banks have enough capital, they don't gamble, food is inspected, cars have safety mechanisms, that cities are properly zoned, etc.
A severe imbalance to me isn't just making the market fair just because, I don't think monopolies are bad in all cases too, but to correct things that prevent people from having a home or putting food on their table. I support a robust safety net so the government would have to worry less about those smaller things.
CHEEZMO
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IIRC the olive oil thing was to stop things like restaurants re-filling fancy bottles with cheap bulk shit and passing it off as quality stuff. I might be wrong though.
You know what must be done.
You know what must be done.
empty vessel
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I think APKmetsfan is naive about how rampant fraud in business is. Some of us don't like to be defrauded or put in harm's way so a business can make a buck. Or a Euro.
Drink that Turtle Soup
Aaron Strife
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