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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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How would you respond to this facebook post? I'm thinking of ignoring it cause obviously he isn't going to change his mind but I can't stand this stupidity. (Yes I have blocked him but his comments still show up on other friends posts.)

" It's stupid to leave God out of politics because he's the only one who knows how to fix it. This country needs Jesus. I need Jesus and you need Jesus. Leaving God of everything is why everything is a mess. The separation of Religion and Politics was to protect us from politicians. Not protect the world from God."

For context this was in response to that picture going around saying Fox News and Republicans would call Jesus a dangerous Middle Eastern man who is trying to push socialism on us if he was born 30 years ago.
 
Am I being over dismissive or is this Benghazi fixation as loopy as it seems? Some memo comes out where the White House agrees with the infor from the various Intelligence departments .. . and that is a scandal? What am I missing here?

I don't want to under a delusion of confirmation bias . . . but I'm struggling to understand the angle here.
 
How would you respond to this facebook post? I'm thinking of ignoring it cause obviously he isn't going to change his mind but I can't stand this stupidity. (Yes I have blocked him but his comments still show up on other friends posts.)

" It's stupid to leave God out of politics because he's the only one who knows how to fix it. This country needs Jesus. I need Jesus and you need Jesus. Leaving God of everything is why everything is a mess. The separation of Religion and Politics was to protect us from politicians. Not protect the world from God."

For context this was in response to that picture going around saying Fox News and Republicans would call Jesus a dangerous Middle Eastern man who is trying to push socialism on us if he was born 30 years ago.
Ask them if they know what 'Hezbollah' means.
And then they'll just tell you "Well, that is the wrong god!"
 
Am I being over dismissive or is this Benghazi fixation as loopy as it seems? Some memo comes out where the White House agrees with the infor from the various Intelligence departments .. . and that is a scandal? What am I missing here?

I don't want to under a delusion of confirmation bias . . . but I'm struggling to understand the angle here.

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Speaking of the butcher of Benghazi

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...ty-poll/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=2037

Quinnipiac said:
Clinton tops several possible Republican candidates in Florida:
49 - 41 percent over Bush;
52 - 40 percent over Rubio;
55 - 37 percent over Paul;
52 - 34 percent over Christie;
56 - 36 percent over Ryan;
57 - 31 percent over Cruz;
53 - 35 percent over Huckabee.
I don't know how Republicans can expect to win in 2016 if Hillary runs. I think Jeb Bush is their strongest candidate and he's getting creamed in Florida. Sure, it's early on, but Bush and Clinton are both popular and well-known in Florida.

Republicans might have a relatively good year in the 2014 congressional elections (though I personally don't think they'll win the Senate), but it's going to be a long time before they win the White House.
 

Piecake

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How would you respond to this facebook post? I'm thinking of ignoring it cause obviously he isn't going to change his mind but I can't stand this stupidity. (Yes I have blocked him but his comments still show up on other friends posts.)

" It's stupid to leave God out of politics because he's the only one who knows how to fix it. This country needs Jesus. I need Jesus and you need Jesus. Leaving God of everything is why everything is a mess. The separation of Religion and Politics was to protect us from politicians. Not protect the world from God."

For context this was in response to that picture going around saying Fox News and Republicans would call Jesus a dangerous Middle Eastern man who is trying to push socialism on us if he was born 30 years ago.

Thomas Jefferson:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.

Treaty of Tripoli

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.[62]

Seems pretty explicit to me
 

Chichikov

Member
Forgot one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk


I saw Special Beat (a supergroup of members of English Beat and the Specials) play and a few days before the show, Thatcher was booted out. I've never seen a band look as happy as when they played "Stand Down Margaret."
My man.

p.s.
I forgot many I'm sure, there are a lot of people who really really really don't like that bitch, and many of them are musicians (and the farther up north you go, the more common they are).
And if I learned anything from partying her death in Scotland is that there are more versions of ding dong the witch is dead than I've imagined.
Many many more.

p.p.s.
on top of my drunk ass mind -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZJxFo5Br_0
http://youtu.be/wcXi-VYy_Yw
 

Wilsongt

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How would you respond to this facebook post? I'm thinking of ignoring it cause obviously he isn't going to change his mind but I can't stand this stupidity. (Yes I have blocked him but his comments still show up on other friends posts.)

" It's stupid to leave God out of politics because he's the only one who knows how to fix it. This country needs Jesus. I need Jesus and you need Jesus. Leaving God of everything is why everything is a mess. The separation of Religion and Politics was to protect us from politicians. Not protect the world from God."

For context this was in response to that picture going around saying Fox News and Republicans would call Jesus a dangerous Middle Eastern man who is trying to push socialism on us if he was born 30 years ago.

Tell him that God would punishment most of the politicians in Washington for doing some of the shit they do an claim they are doing "God's work" and that the modern Republican party is far and away from being true Christians.
 

Aaron

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How would you respond to this facebook post? I'm thinking of ignoring it cause obviously he isn't going to change his mind but I can't stand this stupidity. (Yes I have blocked him but his comments still show up on other friends posts.)

" It's stupid to leave God out of politics because he's the only one who knows how to fix it. This country needs Jesus. I need Jesus and you need Jesus. Leaving God of everything is why everything is a mess. The separation of Religion and Politics was to protect us from politicians. Not protect the world from God."

For context this was in response to that picture going around saying Fox News and Republicans would call Jesus a dangerous Middle Eastern man who is trying to push socialism on us if he was born 30 years ago.
Tell him the Taliban would agree with him, even if they have a different prophet in mind.
 
*sigh* A Facebook friend of mine.

I feel ya. Mine is always spouting off guns and religion. I blocked him and his wife because of this, but they still post on other mutual friends posts and I still see some stupidity. Now I'm thinking about blocking his mother too because she posted a picture of a (fake?) quote from Winston Churchill about one drop of Islam is as dangerous to humans as rabies is to dogs. I'm paraphrasing the quote but when I read that I wanted to scream.
 
So...

I'm thinking the Upshot - the NY Times attempt to replace Nate Silver, is actually better than the new 538.

Of course, implicit in this comparison is that the old 538 trumped both of them.
 

CHEEZMO™

Obsidian fan
I feel ya. Mine is always spouting off guns and religion. I blocked him and his wife because of this, but they still post on other mutual friends posts and I still see some stupidity. Now I'm thinking about blocking his mother too because she posted a picture of a (fake?) quote from Winston Churchill about one drop of Islam is as dangerous to humans as rabies is to dogs. I'm paraphrasing the quote but when I read that I wanted to scream.

Quote is probably fake but Churchill was a massive cunt so maybe not.
 

Owzers

Member
Am I being over dismissive or is this Benghazi fixation as loopy as it seems? Some memo comes out where the White House agrees with the infor from the various Intelligence departments .. . and that is a scandal? What am I missing here?

I don't want to under a delusion of confirmation bias . . . but I'm struggling to understand the angle here.

Part of it seems to be that the Obama administration blamed the video for the attack because otherwise Romney would have won the election had the American people known that terrorism wasn't defeated. Which they do accuse Obama as saying, not just that Al Qaeda was on the run, but that terrorism was over. All of it. So this being a terrorist attack proves fake bizarro Obama wrong, thus Romney wins.

“[T]he president was in the middle of his reelection and one of his talking points was that terrorism has been defeated and he had defeated it, and this ran counter of that narrative. They didn’t want to admit it was a terrorist attack because to admit it was a terrorist attack, was to admit terrorism is still out there and reaching us. - Marco Rubio

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/r...sm-angle-for-political-reasons/#ixzz30UOMpqeu
 

A Human Becoming

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When I have friends spout nonsense, I teach them to question their sources (instead of just trying to change their minds).
I don't think he has a source. He defines Planned Parenthood by that one service.

Follow up exchange:

Me: That's not what they're about 97% of the time.
Him: That's what they are about 100% of the time.
Some old lady: My thot is 97% abortion, 3% the others to try to con us into believing the lie, that they deserve all the government support they get for those abortions
 
Thomas Jefferson:



Treaty of Tripoli



Seems pretty explicit to me

People missed my post this past week. I had a whole bunch of the founders expressing contempt for religion.

I always am amazed when I read how hostile the Founders would have been to the current religiousness that is in our politics (though they exploited it for their benefit).

John Adams:
And I wish that superstition in religion, exciting supersition in politics, and both united in directing military force, alias glory, may never blow up all your benevolent and philanthropic lucubrations. But the history of all ages is against you.
Oh! Lord! Do you think that a Protestant Popedom is annihilated in America? Do you recollect, or have you ever attended to the ecclesiastical Strifes in Maryland Pensilvania [sic], New York, and every part of New England? What a mercy it is that these People cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could they would. . . . There is a germ of religion in human nature so strong that whenever an order of men can persuade the people by flattery or terror that they have salvation at their disposal, there can be no end to fraud, violence, or usurpation.

The multitude and diversity of them, You will say, is our Security against them all. God grant it. But if We consider that the Presbyterians and Methodists are far the most numerous and the most likely to unite; let a George Whitefield arise, with a military cast, like Mahomet, or Loyola, and what will become of all the other Sects who can never unite?

Madison
Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative.
The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles: The tenets of the chaplains elected [by the majority] shut the door of worship agst the members whose creeds & consciences forbid a participation in that of the majority. To say nothing of other sects, this is the case with that of Roman Catholics & Quakers who have always had members in one or both of the Legislative branches. Could a Catholic clergyman ever hope to be appointed a Chaplain? To say that his religious principles are obnoxious or that his sect is small, is to lift the evil at once and exhibit in its naked deformity the doctrine that religious truth is to be tested by numbers. or that the major sects have a right to govern the minor.
Better also to disarm in the same way, the precedent of Chaplainships for the army and navy, than erect them into a political authority in matters of religion.
Religious proclamations by the Executive recommending thanksgivings & fasts are shoots from the same root with the legislative acts reviewed.

Altho' recommendations only, they imply a religious agency, making no part of the trust delegated to political rulers.
They seem to imply and certainly nourish the erronious [sp] idea of a national religion.

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. (See the cases in which negatives were put by J. M. on two bills passd by Congs and his signature withheld from another. See also attempt in Kentucky for example, where it was proposed to exempt Houses of Worship from taxes.

Thomas Jefferson:
The advance of liberalism... [encourages] the hope that the human mind will some day get back to the freedom it enjoyed two thousand years ago."

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
 
I guess abortion + 29 other services makes 30 services. So abortion is 1 service out of 30 services. 1/30 is close enough to 3%. Just some silly math on his part.

Not just silly . . . but illogical and bad.

And the fact that his understanding of math and logic is so profoundly deficient helps explain why he cannot form a rational coherent view on a simple matter.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Am I being over dismissive or is this Benghazi fixation as loopy as it seems? Some memo comes out where the White House agrees with the infor from the various Intelligence departments .. . and that is a scandal? What am I missing here?

I don't want to under a delusion of confirmation bias . . . but I'm struggling to understand the angle here.

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly these e-mails are supposed to prove as well. Even if these e-mails were 100% true and there was evidence of a "coverup"....again, what the hell is the White House covering up?
 
I don't think he has a source. He defines Planned Parenthood by that one service.

Follow up exchange:

Me: That's not what they're about 97% of the time.
Him: That's what they are about 100% of the time.
Some old lady: My thot is 97% abortion, 3% the others to try to con us into believing the lie, that they deserve all the government support they get for those abortions
97% non-abortions = 100% abortions

Yep, math checks out.
 
Not just silly . . . but illogical and bad.

And the fact that his understanding of math and logic is so profoundly deficient helps explain why he cannot form a rational coherent view on a simple matter.

True. Very bad math. But the kind of mistake I'm not surprised to see a layman make, so I don't really see it as indicative of his logical and rational failures. I think this part is way more damning. Where, after being presented with evidence, he just buckles down.

I don't think he has a source. He defines Planned Parenthood by that one service.

Follow up exchange:

Me: That's not what they're about 97% of the time.
Him: That's what they are about 100% of the time.
Some old lady: My thot is 97% abortion, 3% the others to try to con us into believing the lie, that they deserve all the government support they get for those abortions
 

Jooney

Member
Question: how does the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) work? Is it just a one-off tax credit payment come tax time? Or does it get phased in with an employee's weekly paycheck?

One of the proposals I hear from (generally) conservative types is that an alternative to raising the minimum wage would be to expand the EITC. This strikes me as odd given that:
1) I have not heard specifics on how much it would be expanded by and how that compares to raising the MW to the $10.10 standard; and
2) It is just another subsidy given to business, getting the taxpayer to cover for the gaps left by employers. This, on top of medicaid and SNAP, would be the reverse of the conservative goal to get people on the bottom of the economic ladder off the government teat.

BTW, good going on the poligaffers here combatting the usual nonsense in the latest MW thread. Black Mumba especially. I don't know how you guys have the patience to keep combatting the same arguments (e.g. "prices will rise", "something something inflation", etc.).
 

Karakand

Member
Question: how does the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) work? Is it just a one-off tax credit payment come tax time? Or does it get phased in with an employee's weekly paycheck?

One of the proposals I hear from (generally) conservative types is that an alternative to raising the minimum wage would be to expand the EITC. This strikes me as odd given that:
1) I have not heard specifics on how much it would be expanded by and how that compares to raising the MW to the $10.10 standard; and
2) It is just another subsidy given to business, getting the taxpayer to cover for the gaps left by employers. This, on top of medicaid and SNAP, would be the reverse of the conservative goal to get people on the bottom of the economic ladder off the government teat.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=103342742&postcount=4781

I agree with you that it's a subsidy for businesses.
 
Another example of the not racist National Review:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...mpt-politicize-and-racialize-criminal-justice
According to the NAACP, the ACLU, and now, the Justice Department, the fact that the police stop and arrest blacks and Hispanics at higher rates than whites demonstrates police racism. The Justice Department’s press release, like all such anti-cop propaganda, assiduously ignores the crucial fact that blacks and Hispanics commit crime at much higher rates than whites as well. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17, for example, commit homicide at ten times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; if Hispanics were taken out of the equation (which federal data makes it difficult to do), the disparity between the white and black homicide rates would be even higher. Given such racial disparities in crime rates, the police cannot fight lawlessness without producing disproportionate stop and arrest figures. [my note: what about proportionate?]

Holder fingered as bigots not just the police, but the entire criminal-justice system as well:

A recent study, [Holder said], reported that half of African-American men have been arrested at least once by age 23. Overall, black men were 6 times, and Latino men were 2.5 times, more likely to be imprisoned than white men in 2012

This overrepresentation of young men of color in our criminal justice system is a problem we must confront—not only as an issue of individual responsibility but also as one of fundamental fairness, and as an issue of effective law enforcement. Racial disparities contribute to tension in our nation generally and within communities of color specifically, and tend to breed resentment towards law enforcement that is counterproductive to the goal of reducing crime.

Criminologists have spent decades trying to prove that the overrepresentation of blacks and Hispanic in prison demonstrates that the criminal justice system is racist. And each time they fail. Even the most left-wing academics have been forced to admit that crime, not race, determines criminal justice outcomes.

Criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen, for example, reviewed the massive literature on charging and sentencing in 1997 and concluded that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms. Michael Tonry seconded that judgment in Malign Neglect: “Racial differences in patterns of offending, not racial bias by police and other officials, are the principal reason that such greater proportions of blacks than whites are arrested, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned.” In 2012, the year that Holder singles out, blacks committed over 49 percent of all murders, and 55 percent of all robberies, according to arrest data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports, though they are less than 13 percent of the population, compared to 48 percent of murders and 43 percent of robberies committed by whites and Hispanics combined.

Holder, however, is wholly silent about crime rates and instead has the gall to suggest that the nation’s hardworking “police and other justice system agencies” are not treating minorities “fairly.” Such a misrepresentation is all the more appalling coming from the nation’s top law-enforcement official.

The DOJ’s new $4.75 million initiative will have no effect on crime and the resulting overrepresentation of blacks and Hispanics in the criminal-justice system. It will, however, inhibit sound policing and further exacerbate racial tensions by putting the federal imprimatur on one of the biggest scams in racial agitation: the idea that law enforcement activity is motivated by bias, not crime.

If President Obama and Holder actually wanted to lower racial tensions, they would publicize the crime rates that drive policing and prosecution and then focus on the family breakdown and resulting lack of social control that leads to such elevated rates of minority crime.

— Heather Mac Donald is the Tom Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of Are Cops Racist?


http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...mpt-politicize-and-racialize-criminal-justice

Of course Heather is right. And the charges of racial bias these days are generally limited to drug-law enforcement, since even extremists like Michelle Alexander acknowledge that “black men do have much higher rates of violent crime [than whites].” Now, I’m not persuaded that there is widespread discrimination in drug-law enforcement either, but let’s assume that there is. What should be done about it?

Well, one approach is to conduct the massive program that Mr. Holder is undertaking, collect a lot of data, re-educate all the policemen in the country, bring plenty of Justice Department investigations, and perhaps even follow the suggestion of people like Professor Alexander and radically change our entire criminal justice and political system.

This will certainly keep the bien-pensants busy! While the rest of us wait for all this to shake out, however, here is another approach, and one that can be implemented immediately and at no cost:

Step 1: Do not use, buy, or sell illegal drugs.
Step 2: If you belong to a racial or ethnic group that you think is targeted by the police, then especially do not use, buy, or sell illegal drugs.

Now, it may be objected that it is unfair if the police let white kids buy, use, and sell illegal drugs more than black and Latino kids. True, but when you think about it, it’s really not a good idea to buy, use, or sell illegal drugs anyway. It’s not as if the police were keeping you from doing something that would be beneficial or even harmless to you and your community if you did it. Indeed, if the police were more tolerant of blacks and Latinos buying, using, and selling illegal drugs than white kids, probably the Left would complain about that. So my suggestion really does not involve any sacrifice.

At no extra charge, I will also provide another suggestion, for members of all racial and ethnic groups:

Step 3: Instead of using, buying, and selling illegal drugs, spend that time doing homework or something else that will improve your mind and character rather than destroy them.
 
Time to bring back some Ta-Nehisi Coates in here.

This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/This-Town-Needs-A-Better-Class-Of-Racist/361443/

The elegant racist knows how to injure non-white people while never summoning the specter of white guilt. Elegant racism requires plausible deniability, as when Reagan just happened to stumble into the Neshoba County fair and mention state's rights. Oafish racism leaves no escape hatch, as when Trent Lott praised Strom Thurmond's singularly segregationist candidacy.

Elegant racism is invisible, supple, and enduring. It disguises itself in the national vocabulary, avoids epithets and didacticism. Grace is the singular marker of elegant racism. One should never underestimate the touch needed to, say, injure the voting rights of black people without ever saying their names. Elegant racism lives at the border of white shame. Elegant racism was the poll tax. Elegant racism is voter-ID laws.

As Bomani Jones noted back in 2006, Donald Sterling has long been a practitioner of racism and the NBA could not have cared less. Jones is rightfully apoplectic at the present response. That is because he understands that the NBA, its players and its fans, don't so much object to Donald Sterling's racism—they object to his want of elegance.

I think another well written piece. Although, his anger that has been building up lately does come across here too.

But he is right, a lot of discrimination is now hidden just because the way people talk doesn't jump out as offensive. And unless we hear someone explicitly use racist words we are afraid to hold those people accountable for being racists.
 

Jooney

Member

As someone currently thumbing this way through The New Jim Crow, fuck this guy.

Well, one approach is to conduct the massive program that Mr. Holder is undertaking, collect a lot of data, re-educate all the policemen in the country, bring plenty of Justice Department investigations, and perhaps even follow the suggestion of people like Professor Alexander and radically change our entire criminal justice and political system.

Where was this guy when the War On Drugs started? All it did was "radically change the entire criminal justice and political system". Increased militarization of the police. Expanded police powers to stop, search and detain. Huge economic incentives for law enforcement to focus on drug crime rather than violent crime. Power taken away from judges and given to prosecutors to determine sentencing of drug offenders. And so on.


Thanks!
 
I don't think he has a source. He defines Planned Parenthood by that one service.

Follow up exchange:

Me: That's not what they're about 97% of the time.
Him: That's what they are about 100% of the time.
Some old lady: My thot is 97% abortion, 3% the others to try to con us into believing the lie, that they deserve all the government support they get for those abortions

He got that notion somewhere. Probably the same place that thought Romney would win in a landslide. Point that out.
 

Chumly

Member
Ugh......... 6 commercials out of 7 during a break all for republican candidates. All trying to to be the biggest Obama hater...... The joys of being in a red state.
 

Jooney

Member
Time to bring back some Ta-Nehisi Coates in here.

This Town Needs a Better Class of Racist
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/This-Town-Needs-A-Better-Class-Of-Racist/361443/

But he is right, a lot of discrimination is now hidden just because the way people talk doesn't jump out as offensive. And unless we hear someone explicitly use racist words we are afraid to hold those people accountable for being racists.

Moyers & Company - Dog whistle politics. An insightful analysis of the history of it, its practice today, and why it is so effective in communicating race-based messages. Worth a watch.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Speaking of tax credits, I found out that the higher education tax credits that were present since 2009 (cause of the Stimulus) have been extended all the way until the end of 2017, which is awesome for me since I'm going back to Uni in the Fall. 3 years should theoretically be plenty of time for me to get my degree.

THANKS OBAMA!
 

Manarola

Banned
Speaking of tax credits, I found out that the higher education tax credits that were present since 2009 (cause of the Stimulus) have been extended all the way until the end of 2017, which is awesome for me since I'm going back to Uni in the Fall. 3 years should theoretically be plenty of time for me to get my degree.

THANKS OBAMA!

Yup. I was stoked to get a fat refund despite barely working last year.
 
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