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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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Zona

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You'll definitely get a better response from people using that approach, but the term was framed like it was for a reason -
When you frame it as minority disadvantage, a common response would be "we should stop discriminating then", it can sometime be honest, and it can sometime be used as a cynical tactic, framing it as white privlige, calls upon you for a positive (might I even say affirmative) action to address the issue.
Also it's more historically accurate, the discriminatory system we have today was erected first and foremost by white hetrosexual males to give white heterosexual males an unfair advantage; xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia were much more tools used to advance that goal than the reasons it was created.

Anyway, I'm done with that thread, as doge is my witness I've tried.

I'm not touching that thread with a ten foot pole, or any minimum wage threads, but as this is a videogame forum I like to use a videogame analogy. White privilege is playing a game at an easier setting, you can still die but there are hidden factors in your favor.
 

Manarola

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As Chait said, modern conservative movement is rooted in white supremacy.

Lots of things are rooted in white supremacy, because that's the history of this country. The modern labor movement is an example. But it certainly seems like conservatives are more insistent about sticking with their roots.
 
Lots of things are rooted in white supremacy, because that's the history of this country. The modern labor movement is an example. But it certainly seems like conservatives are more insistent about sticking with their roots.

They changed as you said. We are talking about the current modern conservative moment for sure still being rooted in white supremacy.
 
Has anyone read this Vox article from yesterday?

Republicans more likely to not like things regarding race since Obama was elected.

In other news, the sky is blue.

Wow. This is very sad. Post-racial? Hardly. Apparently Obama made things worse. :-/

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OK . . . movies are subjective.
Zimmerman . . . well that is tied with the gun porn fetish.

But Sterling? Sheesh! They can't even see it from the perspective of a businessman running the league? A very large number of the players and fans are black. And selling the team is not a criminal penalty and will actually make Sterling millions. And they don't agree to that?!?! Crazy . . . there is just a lot of spite.
 
That many people thought that 12 Years shouldn't have won the Oscar? It was by far the best film of last year. What would they have preferred American Hustle (the film with no payoff)? The Wolf of Wallstreet (such a clusterfuck)? Gravity (lol)?
 

Wilsongt

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Wow. This is very sad. Post-racial? Hardly. Apparently Obama made things worse. :-/

teslersterling1.png

OK . . . movies are subjective.
Zimmerman . . . well that is tied with the gun porn fetish.

But Sterling? Sheesh! They can't even see it from the perspective of a businessman running the league? A very large number of the players and fans are black. And selling the team is not a criminal penalty and will actually make Sterling millions. And they don't agree to that?!?! Crazy . . . there is just a lot of spite.

They're probably siding with Sterling because of free speech, privacy and all that jazz.
 
Wow. This is very sad. Post-racial? Hardly. Apparently Obama made things worse. :-/

teslersterling1.png

OK . . . movies are subjective.
Zimmerman . . . well that is tied with the gun porn fetish.

But Sterling? Sheesh! They can't even see it from the perspective of a businessman running the league? A very large number of the players and fans are black. And selling the team is not a criminal penalty and will actually make Sterling millions. And they don't agree to that?!?! Crazy . . . there is just a lot of spite.

I agree on Zimmerman (although racism also played a large role) but with respect to the film, I'd love to know whether the poll was done before or after it won. I'm going to guess after, and the issue is that many republicans felt the film only won because of affirmative action.
 

Manarola

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I agree on Zimmerman (although racism also played a large role) but with respect to the film, I'd love to know whether the poll was done before or after it won. I'm going to guess after, and the issue is that many republicans felt the film only won because of affirmative action.

It's amazing how petty some people can be. Is it really worth it to get upset over an Oscar win? It's not like the movie was garbage. It was a legitimate contender. Really shows you where some people's priorities are....
 

Wilsongt

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It's amazing how petty some people can be. Is it really worth it to get upset over an Oscar win? It's not like the movie was garbage. It was a legitimate contender. Really shows you where some people's priorities are....

I will point you to the Crash vs Brokeback Mountain debate.
 
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thepotatoman

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Wow. This is very sad. Post-racial? Hardly. Apparently Obama made things worse. :-/

teslersterling1.png

OK . . . movies are subjective.
Zimmerman . . . well that is tied with the gun porn fetish.

But Sterling? Sheesh! They can't even see it from the perspective of a businessman running the league? A very large number of the players and fans are black. And selling the team is not a criminal penalty and will actually make Sterling millions. And they don't agree to that?!?! Crazy . . . there is just a lot of spite.

74% of republicans don't want discriminate against Sterling for being a racist or aren't sure, and 64% of republicans want to make it illegal to discriminate against gay people in the work place or aren't sure. Looking at it that way it's actually fairly consistent in being against people being discriminated against for their views, depending on how much of the 10% gap wants to honestly say it should be considered wrong but not illegal.

The real hypocrites are the oligarchical pundits and politicians who want to see everyone else held accountable according to the oligarchy's own racist and homophobic standards while also having no accountability for themselves.

And before you say anything, yes, I understand sexual orientation isn't a choice while being racist is a malicious choice and so it's not hypocritical for democrats to be for the ENDA and not for sterling. I am just pointing out that the party that doesn't agree with gay people still doesn't want them to lose their job over it.
 
It's nothing new or shocking. A black president has made conservatives more conservative regarding race.
Yeah, but most of them would say that conservative has nothing to do with race . . . and then point to Ben Carson, Herman Cain, and Allen West.

But they need to stop being in denial on the racist subset of their party. And it is not like something only associated with the old guard. It was Rand Paul that had his book ghost-written by the Southern Avenger.
 

Hitokage

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But Sterling? Sheesh! They can't even see it from the perspective of a businessman running the league? A very large number of the players and fans are black. And selling the team is not a criminal penalty and will actually make Sterling millions. And they don't agree to that?!?! Crazy . . . there is just a lot of spite.
I've heard people say that if people really had an issue with what Sterling thinks, then they should take it upon themselves to respond in Clippers merchandise and attendance, but they don't make the connection that the whole point of boycotting is to put financial pressure on somebody so they make changes... like banning Sterling. The NBA responding as it did was to preempt any such financial harm and loss of reputation!
 
So a bunch of rich people are getting together to honor rich people in the city today. Otherwise know as the white house correspondents dinner.

I don't even think journalist even get an invite anymore. Its just celebrities and 'very important people' now
 

Gotchaye

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I've heard people say that if people really had an issue with what Sterling thinks, then they should take it upon themselves to respond in Clippers merchandise and attendance, but they don't make the connection that the whole point of boycotting is to put financial pressure on somebody so they make changes... like banning Sterling. The NBA responding as it did was to preempt any such financial harm and loss of reputation!

Comments on some of the National Review articles about this (and Eich) are interesting. In general, they're not concerned that someone got fired (or whatever) for saying something offensive, but they object to bosses being "bullied" into firing people and some object to Sterling being penalized since he is himself a boss. But it's fine for a boss to fire someone if the boss just happens to find something they've said offensive. So it appears to me to be less about free speech and more about being concerned that it's not entirely up to bosses to determine acceptable speech. There's a feeling that liberal bullies have managed to confuse businesses as to the likelihood or severity of a boycott such that businesses aren't really responding to "the market".

So a bunch of rich people are getting together to honor rich people in the city today. Otherwise know as the white house correspondents dinner.

I don't even think journalist even get an invite anymore. Its just celebrities and 'very important people' now

This would be much less creepy than what it actually is. Also, Joel McHale?
 

Hitokage

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I think it's telling how when given an example of clear and blatant racism, people still throw around terms like "PC" and "liberalism".
 
I think it's telling how when given an example of clear and blatant racism, people still throw around terms like "PC" and "liberalism".
That's because I think it's far simpler than what gotchaye is making it out to be IMO. It's about defending the right to be racist. Its about defending the ideas. Maybe not the specific ones that were expressed so openly. The fear is that they share similar ideas and don't want to be punished.
 
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What I'm wondering is how they plan on paying for that.

Cut spending.

And, of course, to ensure that federal debt is on a stable trajectory, any large increase in spending should be coupled with restraints on the future path of middle-class entitlement spending and a reining in of tax expenditures.

I wish if he was truly concerned about improving the employment situation, then the payroll tax would be a tax expenditure he'd like to rein in. Edit: I should add sarcasm here. ;D
 
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thepotatoman

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This would be much less creepy than what it actually is. Also, Joel McHale?

That's less confusing than G4 Attack of the Show's, Olivia Munn.

Honestly though, the less reporters at that event the better, no matter how it happens.

EDIT: Wait what? I assumed you were saying he was at the event, but Joel McHale is the comedian for it? That is weird. I was surprised at the fact that he would even be in the audience.
 

Manarola

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That's less confusing than G4 Attack of the Show's, Olivia Munn.

Honestly though, the less reporters at that event the better, no matter how it happens.

EDIT: Wait what? I assumed you were saying he was at the event, but Joel McHale is the comedian for it? That is weird. I was surprised at the fact that he would even be in the audience.

You guys don't like the correspondents dinner? After how mean-spirited McHale was at the VGX this one might be really promising. Some funny moments have come out of these things.
 
Joel will be good. The best of these speeches are mean spirited. These people should be taken to task.


But my god CNNs coverage is horrible.
 

Jooney

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Cozy relationship between the white house and the press aside, I can't hate on the comedy that comes out of these correspondents' dinners. Seth Meyers killed it back in 2011, and Stephen Colbert's roast is the stuff of legend.
 
Cozy relationship between the white house and the press aside, I can't hate on the comedy that comes out of these correspondents' dinners. Seth Meyers killed it back in 2011, and Stephen Colbert's roast is the stuff of legend.

Yeah, I love watching the speeches but everything around it is annoying as heck, especially being in DC.

I mean "this town" is ridiculous
 

Drakeon

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Cozy relationship between the white house and the press aside, I can't hate on the comedy that comes out of these correspondents' dinners. Seth Meyers killed it back in 2011, and Stephen Colbert's roast is the stuff of legend.

Agreed, Meyers and Colbert killed it.
 

Jooney

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Yeah, I love watching the speeches but everything around it is annoying as heck, especially being in DC.

I mean "this town" is ridiculous

Everything that wraps the event seems to be getting more and more ridiculous. It's just another excuse to connect money and power.

But I need them laughs. What time does the comedy start?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
http://www.wthr.com/story/25423020/...ral-let-legislatures-choose-senate-candidates

Attorney General: Let legislatures choose Senate candidates


By The Associated Press
INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA -
Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller is pushing a "soft repeal" of the 17th Amendment so that U.S. Senate candidates are nominated by the Legislature instead of selected by voters in a primary.

Zoeller tells The Times in Munster that the shift would revive the idea that U.S. senators are ambassadors of a state's government and not free agents.

The proposal is a twist on the tea party's call for a full repeal of the 17th Amendment. States' rights conservatives say the federal government has come to view states as entities it controls instead of as the co-equal sovereigns envisioned under the U.S. Constitution.

Zoeller says shifting the nominating duties to legislatures could also reduce the number of legal challenges stemming from federal regulations.

LOL

The Tea Party: Keeping the Constitution as originally written...unless there is a way they can manipulate it to their own benefit, at which point, screw the Constitution.
 

FyreWulff

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Oh come on, they're so blatant.

The reason they suddenly want legislatures appointing senators is because it would give a Republican majority in the Senate due to states that elect Democrat senators in statewide elections but have Republican controlled state government due to how state level districting works.
 

Jooney

Member
The last thing that the US Senate needs is to become even more undemocratic.

Two senators per state + filibuster abuse = An institution where the minority can block an entire agenda.
 

bonercop

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People were talking shit about Cenk Uygur a couple pages back. I gotta say, I'm not too familiar with the guy or his show, but this is fucking awesome. Wolf-pac actually managed to pass a resolution to get money out of politics in Vermont.
 

Chichikov

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People were talking shit about Cenk Uygur a couple pages back. I gotta say, I'm not too familiar with the guy or his show, but this is fucking awesome. Wolf-pac actually managed to pass a resolution to get money out of politics in Vermont.
Didn't hear about it, found that text -
"Corporations are not people. They have none of the Constitutional rights of human beings. Corporations are not allowed to give money to any politician, directly or indirectly. No politician can raise over $100 from any person or entity. All elections must be publicly financed."​
While I agree with everything there, I honestly think that if you go that route you need to focus on killing corporate personhood, I think you can get an overwhelming support for that (and I'd like to see anyone mount a serious opposition to that).

Also, I'm not sure how election can be both publicly financed and get donations of up to $100 from an individual.
Either way, good on them, I don't think it has a chance, but it's still a good exercise.
 
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