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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News
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speculawyer
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He hasn't finished converting us all to Islam.
You mean conquered the world in the name of Super Allah.
I'm not sure it really is. Obviously there's a mismanagement story to be told here about how the government is terrible at doing things, but they can't go anywhere with that. They're not going to get away with privatizing veterans' health care, so there's no useful angle here that doesn't require them to get behind government health care. Meanwhile, this is a case where it's much easier than it usually is to argue that the problem was insufficient funding, since it's really natural to look at funding relative to something like the number of veterans who need health care, and it's very easy to contrast a reluctance to spend more here with a lack of reluctance to spend on creating the need for veterans' health care.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Issa isn't asking for Kerry?
speculawyer
Member
I suspect they were ready to pounce but someone noticed that they voted against VA funding and they realized they would look like dicks if they started a big thing over this.
Demigod Mac
Member
Is anyone else getting this crap from the DCCC? At least once a day for me.
What a godawful way to fundraise. Depressing subject lines and emails that look like a cheap Viagra spam ad. Get your shit together, Democratic party.
I unsubscribed and gave them a piece of my mind about these emails.
What a godawful way to fundraise. Depressing subject lines and emails that look like a cheap Viagra spam ad. Get your shit together, Democratic party.
I unsubscribed and gave them a piece of my mind about these emails.
benjipwns
Banned
My favorites are the more extensive "THE ALLIED FORCES OF MITT ROMNEY, THE KOCH BROTHERS, HALLIBURTON, RUPERT MURDOCH AND THE REST OF THE STONECUTTERS ARE ALLIED AGAINST AND US AND TRYING TO CRUSH US ALL TO DEATH UNDER THE TREADS OF THEIR CORPORATE TANKS AS THEY POUR TOXIC SLUDGE DOWN THE THROATS OF ORPHANS WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK TOGETHER
Please send $3 if you can." ones.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Is anyone else getting this crap from the DCCC? At least once a day for me.
What a godawful way to fundraise. Depressing subject lines and emails that look like a cheap Viagra spam ad. Get your shit together, Democratic party.
I unsubscribed and gave them a piece of my mind about these emails.
Desperation.
Did you guys see that Kaiser poll showing Obamacare still underwater? Yup...
Aaron Strife
Banned
Funny because it doesn't seem to be much of a drag on Democrats in actual polling, generic or candidate-specific.
Or are you just ignoring polls that don't agree with your perspective (i.o.w. most of them) like you did in 2012?
RustyNails
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How come Bill Gates, Eric Schmidt and other liberal silicon valley CEOs, VPs and Presidents do not form their own pacs? Koch bros and Sheldon Adelson are doing half of GOP's fights for them. Fight fire with fire.
Yeah I never understood why they don't do that.
Scrupples.
They did bandy together for immigration stuff though.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation...licon-Valley-super-PAC-to-take-on-immigration
I agree he was never going to survive the report but I think a lot of anger is misguided and we should be focusing on the individual heads of hospitals that we're actually causing this fraud.
Is anyone else getting this crap from the DCCC? At least once a day for me.
What a godawful way to fundraise. Depressing subject lines and emails that look like a cheap Viagra spam ad. Get your shit together, Democratic party.
I unsubscribed and gave them a piece of my mind about these emails.
Is this real life.
I wouldn't be able to take anyone seriously if they sent me such messages.
Welcome to the world of political fundraising. Everyone does it.
I have all political e-mails filtered into a separate folder in my gmail so I don't see them unless I want to. But yes, I am getting these. The subjects in particular piss me the fuck off. "FINAL NOTICE". What?! Am I going to have a credit card account closed or something? Kind of a dick move from the party that is supposed to be looking out for Americans going through financial hardship!Is anyone else getting this crap from the DCCC? At least once a day for me.
What a godawful way to fundraise. Depressing subject lines and emails that look like a cheap Viagra spam ad. Get your shit together, Democratic party.
I unsubscribed and gave them a piece of my mind about these emails.
Yes, they 'all do it' -- but the latest e-mails from Democrats aren't exactly doing much to inspire confidence. They are frankly doing the opposite and sound incredibly needy and demanding. They are making me cringe.
It's like (some) Democrats are going back to their ways circa 2004. The party only seems to get their shit together when Obama is going to be at the top of the ticket. Since that won't be happening again I'm quite concerned for how that will shape their communications with voters for 2015-2016 and beyond...
Also I hate the Koch brothers as much as the next Democrat/sane American, but after Harry Reid's laughable attempt to call them out the Dems need to stop using their name for, oh, a month or two.
p.s. -- as an American who has recently been unemployed and felt first hand how being in such a situation falls victim to the daily grind of bullshit talking points and toxic politics, while the GOP is more to blame, Dems clearly did not care enough about extending unemployment. We all should have known it was fucked when Harry Reid was the last resort. This should have been negotiated during the shutdown, and Obama had the upper hand so he would have been able to get it done.
I hate to say it but as a 30 year old, it really is true that as you continue to age and lose some of your youthful optimism and ideology you become increasingly turned off by politics. The same shit keeps happening and it keeps getting worse. Everyone should be really concerned about that.
shadowsdarknes
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It's good to see my folks actually getting sick of Fox news and some of the Republican party. They still watch Fox news every night, but they are seemingly moderate. They don't care for O'Reilly or Hannity.
-My Mom called Joe the Plumber an asshole for being a gun nut.
- My dad rolled his eyes when he saw a Republican on TV saying he was going to bring the fight to Nancy Pelosi.
- My Mom said she's sick of the bitching about Obamacare. She said "Shut up and just let us see how the law goes."
-Both of my parents are public workers in New Jersey and think Christie is an ass and has been a complete dick to public sector workers.
-They are sick of Benghazi. They aren't glued to the TV waiting for that smoking gun.
Their otherwise Republican-ness still annoys me, but I respect their beliefs. They aren't shills who buy into everything they see on TV.
-My Mom called Joe the Plumber an asshole for being a gun nut.
- My dad rolled his eyes when he saw a Republican on TV saying he was going to bring the fight to Nancy Pelosi.
- My Mom said she's sick of the bitching about Obamacare. She said "Shut up and just let us see how the law goes."
-Both of my parents are public workers in New Jersey and think Christie is an ass and has been a complete dick to public sector workers.
-They are sick of Benghazi. They aren't glued to the TV waiting for that smoking gun.
Their otherwise Republican-ness still annoys me, but I respect their beliefs. They aren't shills who buy into everything they see on TV.
benjipwns
Banned
This is why it's important for the GOP to keep hammering on it, they can't let Obama cover it up again. There should have been a special prosecutor, an IG, a grand jury AND an impeachment trial to go with the special committee. If they let Obama get away with this it will literally be their Benghazi.
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thepotatoman
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This Working Families Party Convention in New York is interesting. Weird that Cuomo couldn't take the time to be there in person instead of video tape, weird that Cuomo thinks promising to work to elect a democratic legislator is a meaningful concession to take, and weird that deBlasio is there, abandoning his progressive persona to make the case that they should support Cuomo instead of backing their own candidate.
I'm very curious as to what they'll do. I hope the progressive wave keeps moving and they give Cuomo some challenge by backing Zephyr Teachout, particularly since I'm sure Cuomo would love a huge victory margin for his presidential run.
https://twitter.com/blakezeff has good coverage of it.
EDIT: Eh, guess Cuomo's got it. Still at least they got Cuomo to support actual democrats this time instead of republicans, with $10 million dollars. Shows even this much inner party pushback can create some decent results.
I'm very curious as to what they'll do. I hope the progressive wave keeps moving and they give Cuomo some challenge by backing Zephyr Teachout, particularly since I'm sure Cuomo would love a huge victory margin for his presidential run.
https://twitter.com/blakezeff has good coverage of it.
EDIT: Eh, guess Cuomo's got it. Still at least they got Cuomo to support actual democrats this time instead of republicans, with $10 million dollars. Shows even this much inner party pushback can create some decent results.
WayneMorse
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Eh, I really don't hold it against de Blasio that he supported Cuomo, I think many people see a Cuomo victory this fall as an easy way for the Dems to get big majorities in the legislature. The WFP needs to focus on getting progressive legislatures sent to Albany, not a hopeless third party battle for governor.
I just think its hilarious that Cuomo actually thinks he has a shot at the Presidency. If I want to vote for a corporatist Wall-Street New Democrat type, I'll just vote for Hillary. At least she and her husband will sell it better.
Cuomo's gormless, duplicitous, Nixonian ass is the answer to a question nobody asked.
Cuomo's gormless, duplicitous, Nixonian ass is the answer to a question nobody asked.
Agreed. Cuomo is going to win his reelection easily. There's no point in running someone against him from the left, all it'll do is narrow his margin and maybe give the GOP an easier path. They need to get a decent Dem majority in Albany and the easiest way to do that is to ride Cuomo's coattails, especially upstate where it's more rural and republican.
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thepotatoman
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That's what's so interesting about this. Them challenging Cuomo directly lead to Cuomo being forced to open his pocketbook and give the WFP some pretty big help to do just that.
Cuomo's been pretty clear that he wants a conservative state senate after signing off on a republican gerrymandered map and blocking campaign finance reforms, so who knows what sort of endorsements or deals he would have made going into the primaries and beyond if he was left unchallenged at all.
benjipwns
Banned
Ballot access/rank?
I assume it's set by the gubernatorial race, but I don't know the NY specifics.
Working Families Party decided to support Cuomo again, but hey maybe he'll be different this time.
I pray that Cuomo's political career will stay in New York. I don't think I can handle seeing his stupid face as an actual contender in 2020*.
I pray that Cuomo's political career will stay in New York. I don't think I can handle seeing his stupid face as an actual contender in 2020*.
*In 2016, Clinton loses to Bush.
shadowsdarknes
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Someone might know this as I don't listen to him:
Where does Rush Limbaugh stand in the Republican party? Does he back the tea party? He strikes me as an establishment type but willing to appease the tea party for more viewership.
Where does Rush Limbaugh stand in the Republican party? Does he back the tea party? He strikes me as an establishment type but willing to appease the tea party for more viewership.
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thepotatoman
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He's definitely more of a no compromise sort of guy, which i guess makes him tea party.
I would also say he's probably the worst offender when it comes to opposing every single last thing Obama and the democratic party has done or ever will do. That's how he has always spent 95% of the time on his show, even since the bush era.
benjipwns
Banned
Limbaugh when it comes down to it backs the GOP because it's the most viable conservative option. (aka The Buckley Doctrine) He's not willing to support everything the party decides like Hannity. If I had to guess if they voted in a primary where there was a standard GOPer (like Mike Castle) and a Tea Partier (like Christine O'Donnell), the chances are likelier Rush would vote for the TP challenger than Hannity would.
Limbaugh is nowhere near as socially conservative as his listeners or the Tea Party, his position views these issues more as defensive than active. i.e. he wouldn't say we need to ban gay marriage if it was legal everywhere already. He's less hawkish than the GOP but still wants STRONG DEFENSE, he used to be more favorable to immigration but he's shifted more to believing it's a hoodwink for amnesty.
In fact, you could characterize a lot of Limbaugh's arguments as basically "don't fall for the left's framing/game/etc." of whatever issue/subject. This is basically the entire argument of his two old books and the content of most Limbaugh Letters. Not to mention his three hours a day. It really is just standing athwart history yelling "no!"
If you were to create a spectrum of the "establishment" neocon/etc. wing of the GOP on the left and the Tea Party and its allies on the right. Hannity would be on the left, Limbaugh would probably be center-right, Levin would be right and Savage would be right of the far-right.
I'd imagine it'd be far easier to find reels of Hannity supporting a bunch of things under Bush and opposing it under Obama than Limbaugh or Savage. Though Hannity does sometimes try to position himself in between Rush and the establishment since he does his shows after Rush has already "established the line" effectively.
Listening to Rush is really the best way to know every coming conservative argument about something before it filters through all the columnists and up to the members of the GOP.
Avon Barksdale
Member
God, I hope neither happens.
How the fuck does Ben Carson, a man with 0 political experience, come in second?
Shouldn't be surprised, this is the party that produced Herman Cain.
Avon Barksdale
Member
Outsiders and I'm not talking about Kevin Nash and Scott Hall.
Rhomega Beta
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But Godfather's Pizza is good!
Getting closer and closer to an Obummer impeach. Trampling the constitution, scandal after scandal, illegally negotiating with terrorist, attacking good Christian values by declaring June homosexual month.
Augh. Worst president that ever existed on ant time, place, or reality.
Augh. Worst president that ever existed on ant time, place, or reality.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Now they're upset that he didn't inform congress of the POW trade, which might be a legit beef. Apparently congress needs 30 days heads up or something. Not that I care.
Nothing Obama does will ever be acceptable to the GoP. Even in the pow was a fire and brimstone god fearing Christian they would be pissed.
rocketknight
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I dunno, kicking five people out of Guantanamo has got to be good for the budget, right?
Negotiating with terrorist etc etc. unless they are the gop, then not negotiating and bending to their demands makes you satan.
rocketknight
Member
I think it would have been pretty entertaining to see the GOP saying that Obama was overvaluing Americans on the American/Islamic extremist currency market.
RustyNails
Member
Executive branch has so many loopholes to get out of situations like this. There's a reason why 500 members of Congress do not squeeze into Situation room every morning.
The only way this will come and bite Obama's ass is if one of the released detainees kills Americans somehow. Of course, it wont because I'm sure CIA planted GPS tracker chips in them or something.
I'll be shocked if they weren't blown to hell the second our guy was safe.
Joe Molotov
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Unsurprisingly, Fox News was making hay out of the prisoner exchanged this morning, saying that Obama was trading 5 "battle-hardened Al-Qaeda terrorists" for one soldier "that was probably a deserter anyway".
If these guys were really dangerous, they would never have been released. The problem is that the govt. is never going to admit they were in Guantanamo on specious charges
PhoenixDark
Banned
Agreed. And of course, not every person in that prison is actually a terrorist. I'd imagine the Taliban knows which ones are and probably wanted five valued prisoners but who knows how things played out. I'm not sure I would have made the deal.
rocketknight
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Yeah, absolutely. It seems like conservatives are mainly mad because while they've managed to completely stymie Obama from doing anything about Guantanamo Bay, this is a pretty handy way around their obstruction on that front. I'd love for us to do this with everybody there we can't convict in court.
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