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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
So here's Rand Paul's excuse on why he bailed when the illegals showed up yesterday:

The Kentucky Republican on Tuesday evening said that just minutes before that video began, a reporter asked him for an interview while he was eating. “And I said, I need to take a couple more bites and we’ll do an interview,” Paul said on Fox News. “And then I was told we had to leave and I had to do the interview, so actually, I stood 10 feet from the people who were doing sort of a kamikaze interview, and I stood 10 feet from them and did another interview.”

“I’ve always done an interview on immigration,” he added later. “I’m very open to discussing that I think there should be some kind of immigration reform,” he said, before pivoting to criticize President Barack Obama for taking executive action on immigration reform.

Thoughts?
 
I like this. (Sorry for the all-caps but that is part of the charm.)

From a yahoo use named Andy (direct quoting)
"10 REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX
1. FOLLOW THE MONEY. THE HOAX IS PERPETUATED BY THE BIG MONEY SUPPORTING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. NEVER MIND THAT 7 OF THE 10 LARGEST COMPANIES IN THE WORLD ARE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES.
2. THE SCIENTISTS WHO PROPAGATE THE GLOBAL WARMING ARE IDIOTS. JUST LOOK AT HOW LONG THEY HAD TO GO TO SCHOOL TO GET A JOB. THE TRULY SMART PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GET A JOB WITHOUT EVEN NEEDING TO COMPLETE HIGH SCHOOL. WHY BELIEVE SOME DUMMY THAT NEEDED TO TAKE MORE THAN SIX YEARS OF SCHOOL AFTER HIGH SCHOOL?
3. IT'S A COMMUNIST PLOT. I KNOW THIS CONTRADICTS #1 BUT NEVER MIND THAT! THE COMMIES WANT US TO STOP BURNING COAL BECAUSE THEY HATE FREEDOM.
4. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE GLOBAL WARMING ARE JUST SHEEPLE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, THEY ARE JUST PARROTING WHAT A BUNCH OF 'SCIENTISTS' SAY. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES DON'T DO THAT. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES PARROT PEOPLE WITH NO SCIENTIFIC TRAINING.
5. IT IS PART OF A SCIENTIFIC CONSPIRACY. THE SCIENTISTS ARE PURPOSELY KEEPING THE TRUTH FROM COMING OUT BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, SCIENTIST WHO CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. JUST LOOK AT NEWTON, EINSTEIN, BOHR, ... UM...NEVER MIND.
6. BECAUSE SCIENCE IS HARD. WHY STUDY MATHEMATICAL MODELS OR SORT THROUGH REAMS OF DATA WHEN WE CAN RELY ON THE FIRST THING THAT POPS INTO OUR MINDS?
7. BECAUSE IT GOT COLD AT MY HOUSE LAST WINTER.
8. BECAUSE OF GOD.
9. BECAUSE ADMITTING THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENT THEIR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE STUDYING THE PROBLEM MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW AND THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS.
10. BECAUSE LIBERALS ARE USING GLOBAL WARMING TO DISTRACT US FROM REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS. LIKE THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS. "
 

gcubed

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I like this. (Sorry for the all-caps but that is part of the charm.)

From a yahoo use named Andy (direct quoting)
"10 REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX
1. FOLLOW THE MONEY. THE HOAX IS PERPETUATED BY THE BIG MONEY SUPPORTING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. NEVER MIND THAT 7 OF THE 10 LARGEST COMPANIES IN THE WORLD ARE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES.
2. THE SCIENTISTS WHO PROPAGATE THE GLOBAL WARMING ARE IDIOTS. JUST LOOK AT HOW LONG THEY HAD TO GO TO SCHOOL TO GET A JOB. THE TRULY SMART PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GET A JOB WITHOUT EVEN NEEDING TO COMPLETE HIGH SCHOOL. WHY BELIEVE SOME DUMMY THAT NEEDED TO TAKE MORE THAN SIX YEARS OF SCHOOL AFTER HIGH SCHOOL?
3. IT'S A COMMUNIST PLOT. I KNOW THIS CONTRADICTS #1 BUT NEVER MIND THAT! THE COMMIES WANT US TO STOP BURNING COAL BECAUSE THEY HATE FREEDOM.
4. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE GLOBAL WARMING ARE JUST SHEEPLE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, THEY ARE JUST PARROTING WHAT A BUNCH OF 'SCIENTISTS' SAY. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES DON'T DO THAT. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES PARROT PEOPLE WITH NO SCIENTIFIC TRAINING.
5. IT IS PART OF A SCIENTIFIC CONSPIRACY. THE SCIENTISTS ARE PURPOSELY KEEPING THE TRUTH FROM COMING OUT BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, SCIENTIST WHO CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. JUST LOOK AT NEWTON, EINSTEIN, BOHR, ... UM...NEVER MIND.
6. BECAUSE SCIENCE IS HARD. WHY STUDY MATHEMATICAL MODELS OR SORT THROUGH REAMS OF DATA WHEN WE CAN RELY ON THE FIRST THING THAT POPS INTO OUR MINDS?
7. BECAUSE IT GOT COLD AT MY HOUSE LAST WINTER.
8. BECAUSE OF GOD.
9. BECAUSE ADMITTING THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENT THEIR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE STUDYING THE PROBLEM MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW AND THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS.
10. BECAUSE LIBERALS ARE USING GLOBAL WARMING TO DISTRACT US FROM REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS. LIKE THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS. "

i was waiting for a Benghazi
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I saw this item about Kansas getting its credit downgraded yesterday on Reddit, and thought it was just some news outlets being late to the party. But it turns out this is actually a new downgrade:

Kansas’s credit rating was reduced by Standard & Poor’s, which cited the effects of income-tax cuts endorsed by Republican Governor Sam Brownback that weren’t matched by less spending.

The rating fell to AA, third-highest, from AA+ and the state’s appropriation-secured debt was dropped to AA- from AA, S&P said today. The outlook on both ratings is negative.

“The negative outlook reflects our belief that there will be additional budget pressure as income tax cuts scheduled in future years go into effect, or if midyear revenue shortfalls resume,” credit analyst David Hitchcock said.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kansas-brownback-struggles-faces-new-debt-downgrade

Dat trickle-down economic explosion. Good job, Sam.
 

Drakeon

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I saw this item about Kansas getting its credit downgraded yesterday on Reddit, and thought it was just some news outlets being late to the party. But it turns out this is actually a new downgrade:



http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kansas-brownback-struggles-faces-new-debt-downgrade

Dat trickle-down economic explosion. Good job, Sam.

He just needs to triple down on his cuts and cut the taxes more. Surely that will produce the wondrous tax free utopia he's been promising where state revenue just magically appears.
 
I saw this item about Kansas getting its credit downgraded yesterday on Reddit, and thought it was just some news outlets being late to the party. But it turns out this is actually a new downgrade:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kansas-brownback-struggles-faces-new-debt-downgrade

Dat trickle-down economic explosion. Good job, Sam.
Amazing that Republicans are about to lose the governor's race in Kansas of all places, in what the media has been salivating over as being a Republican year. A year in which they could lose gubernatorial contests in Maine, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin as well.
 

Wilsongt

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Amazing that Republicans are about to lose the governor's race in Kansas of all places, in what the media has been salivating over as being a Republican year. A year in which they could lose gubernatorial contests in Maine, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, and Wisconsin as well.

Not if PD has anything to say about that.
 
This goes well with his denial about flip-flopping on civil rights. I guess he's decided to adopt the Bush strategy and just deny everything.

Rand Paul says he never proposed ending aid to Israel — even though he did
Paul proposed a budget in 2011 to cut off aid to all foreign nations.
By Chris Moody, Yahoo News

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul on Monday denied that he once supported ending federal aid to Israel — an idea he proposed as recently as 2011.

“I haven’t really proposed that in the past,” Paul told Yahoo News when asked if he still thought the U.S. should phase out aid to Israel, which has been battling Hamas in Gaza for weeks. “We’ve never had a legislative proposal to do that. You can mistake my position, but then I’ll answer the question. That has not been a position — a legislative position — we have introduced to phase out or get rid of Israel’s aid. That’s the answer to that question. Israel has always been a strong ally of ours and I appreciate that. I voted just this week to give money — more money — to the Iron Dome, so don’t mischaracterize my position on Israel.”
http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-say...-to-israel--even-though-he-did-193355206.html
 

Fox318

Member
I like this. (Sorry for the all-caps but that is part of the charm.)

From a yahoo use named Andy (direct quoting)
"10 REASONS NOT TO BELIEVE THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX
1. FOLLOW THE MONEY. THE HOAX IS PERPETUATED BY THE BIG MONEY SUPPORTING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. NEVER MIND THAT 7 OF THE 10 LARGEST COMPANIES IN THE WORLD ARE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES.
2. THE SCIENTISTS WHO PROPAGATE THE GLOBAL WARMING ARE IDIOTS. JUST LOOK AT HOW LONG THEY HAD TO GO TO SCHOOL TO GET A JOB. THE TRULY SMART PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GET A JOB WITHOUT EVEN NEEDING TO COMPLETE HIGH SCHOOL. WHY BELIEVE SOME DUMMY THAT NEEDED TO TAKE MORE THAN SIX YEARS OF SCHOOL AFTER HIGH SCHOOL?
3. IT'S A COMMUNIST PLOT. I KNOW THIS CONTRADICTS #1 BUT NEVER MIND THAT! THE COMMIES WANT US TO STOP BURNING COAL BECAUSE THEY HATE FREEDOM.
4. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE GLOBAL WARMING ARE JUST SHEEPLE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, THEY ARE JUST PARROTING WHAT A BUNCH OF 'SCIENTISTS' SAY. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES DON'T DO THAT. PEOPLE WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES PARROT PEOPLE WITH NO SCIENTIFIC TRAINING.
5. IT IS PART OF A SCIENTIFIC CONSPIRACY. THE SCIENTISTS ARE PURPOSELY KEEPING THE TRUTH FROM COMING OUT BECAUSE, AS WE ALL KNOW, SCIENTIST WHO CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING. JUST LOOK AT NEWTON, EINSTEIN, BOHR, ... UM...NEVER MIND.
6. BECAUSE SCIENCE IS HARD. WHY STUDY MATHEMATICAL MODELS OR SORT THROUGH REAMS OF DATA WHEN WE CAN RELY ON THE FIRST THING THAT POPS INTO OUR MINDS?
7. BECAUSE IT GOT COLD AT MY HOUSE LAST WINTER.
8. BECAUSE OF GOD.
9. BECAUSE ADMITTING THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENT THEIR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE STUDYING THE PROBLEM MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW AND THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS.
10. BECAUSE LIBERALS ARE USING GLOBAL WARMING TO DISTRACT US FROM REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS. LIKE THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS. "

ahahahaha
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
And look, more good news for Kansas:

Kansas is, of course, a red state run by an extremely right-wing Governor (Sam Brownback). Ironically, even though the prior job of (now former) HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius happened to be...Governor of Kansas, the state refused to expand Medicaid or implement their own ACA exchange, like most of the GOP-controlled states.

It is therefore unsurprising that they wouldn't see much of a reduction in their uninsured rates due to the ACA. What is surprising is that, according to the Gallup survey, Kansas has somehow managed to increase the number of uninsured residents by a whopping 5.1% points.

It's important to bear in mind that this is 5.1% points, not just an increase of 5.1% over the existing number--that is, the actual number of uninsured, according to Gallup, went up from 12.5% to 17.6%...a 41% increase, which is astonishing...and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...h-Kansas-or-do-I-owe-Tim-Huelskamp-an-apology
 

benjipwns

Banned
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ted-states-needs-corporate-loyalty-oaths.html
So it’s time for red-blooded Americans to take matters into our own hands. My answer is to make every corporation sign something.

Sign what? If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don’t, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren’t communists.

...

Because oaths and pledges are a little creepy, this effort needs something else—something that comes out of the legal and business worlds: a contract. More specifically, an NDA.

Non-disclosure agreements are common in corporate America, where tens of thousands of senior managers and employees sign contracts promising to keep all sorts of information confidential. It’s often a condition of employment.

Now it’s time to change the “D” and expect the same from boards of directors—a “non-desertion agreement” with the John Hancock of every board member and CEO in the United States.

If boards thought for even a second about the long-term interests of their companies, they would summon their lawyers and sign. It’s protection against the risks of resurgent nationalism that could strip them of the many advantages (indirect government subsidies, easy access to American markets) that they currently enjoy.

...

That’s where the rest of us come in. Under my scheme, companies that sign non-desertion agreements would embed a tiny American flag or some other Good Housekeeping-type seal in their corporate insignia for all to see, just as companies during the Great Depression that agreed to Franklin Roosevelt’s recovery plan hung an emblem of a blue eagle in their windows with the legend, “We Do Our Part.”

Companies that fail to sign non-desertion agreements would face the kind of public shaming that has gone out of fashion but could come back with a vengeance: boycotts, petitions, angry shareholder meetings full of the language of patriotism.

...

Fortunately, these un-American arguments are destined to fail with the American public as the issue ripens. That’s because efforts to stop desertion aren’t populist or socialist but nationalist, a much more powerful force in American politics. Unbridled nationalism is a menace; it leads to trade wars and, all too often, real wars. But properly channeled, nationalism and patriotism are matters of the heart that cut to our deepest ideas of who we are.

With viral online organizing, the idea of non-desertion agreements could spread quickly. Then American corporations will learn that if they want to enjoy this country’s bounty, they’ll have to be good citizens and pay taxes like the rest of us.
yaaaay fascism
 
King Obama planning to act on companies that move overseas to avoid taxes
The Obama administration is looking at how it could act on its own to stop companies that want to slash their tax bills by moving overseas.

President Obama said officials are "reviewing all of our options" to act without congressional approval to stem the wave of so-called tax inversions. The trend has accelerated in recent years, backed by Wall Street enthusiasm for overseas tax rates that are lower than the highest U.S. rate of 35%.

Obama has previously voiced concern with inversions, calling them a blow to "economic patriotism." But his administration has not gone further than call for Congress to act.

Last week, lawmakers left town for a month-long vacation, divided on how to respond.

Even recently, his administration has seemed cool to proposals that would not require congressional action.

The President's announcement appears to be a shift in tone. He told reporters at a Wednesday news conference he would not speak to specific plans, but that officials are considering "how existing statutes are interpreted by rule or regulation or tradition or practice that can at least discourage some of the folks who may be trying to take advantage of this loophole."
 
They will. The upset against Snyder dissipated months ago.

Schauer got the nomination by default because nobody else was willing to waste money as early as he was. Only he didn't spend it on anything useful and I would be reluctant to term his operation a "campaign" in any traditional sense. Although it's certainly not like Virg's.
meh it seems like they're deadlocked in the polls because Snyder is a known entity and Schauer isn't. Schauer just needs the Democratic voters to come home and he'll win. Snyder could win but I doubt it'd be more than by a couple of points.

CBS/NYT poll has Democrats up 4 on the generic ballot

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I can smell that House majority, 3 more points baby
 
meh it seems like they're deadlocked in the polls because Snyder is a known entity and Schauer isn't. Schauer just needs the Democratic voters to come home and he'll win. Snyder could win but I doubt it'd be more than by a couple of points.

CBS/NYT poll has Democrats up 4 on the generic ballot

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I can smell that House majority, 3 more points baby
lol
 
I don't buy that wave math. Every race is independent.
It's true that there's not really a uniform swing but it helps to see the generic ballot not as a hard rule (as in there's not like some magic number where Democrats would win the House) but a single, general indicator. Obviously the extra points could just be concentrated in Dem-leaning districts they were already winning, but the higher that margin gets the less likely that is to actually be the case.
 
Democrats will have a net loss of seats in the house imo. Just don't get the impression turnout is going to be decent, which is probably why democrats are so desperately bringing up impeachment. Yea republicans started it and some are serious about it...but I think we all know it's not going to happen. Although admittedly, if Obama goes through with an executive action on immigration it could open the door.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Democrats will have a net loss of seats in the house imo. Just don't get the impression turnout is going to be decent, which is probably why democrats are so desperately bringing up impeachment. Yea republicans started it and some are serious about it...but I think we all know it's not going to happen. Although admittedly, if Obama goes through with an executive action on immigration it could open the door.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZHhwxoW8laA#t=10
 
Dat 11-dimensional chess.

So Obama wanted a bunch of money for the border crisis. To compromise down, he slashed the amount by 1/3 or so. The ever-so-helpful GOP House slashed that smaller amount down to a 1/5th or so of what he wanted and failed to pass it. But they packed it with more poison pills and passed a bill with a few hundred million in it knowing that it would never get through the Senate and that Obama would not sign it.

Now Obama is faced with this border crisis, he's got no money, and there is an election coming up. He wants to keep Latinos on the D side but he can't just let the border get over-run. So what do you do?

You say "Well, I asked for help from Congress to deal with the border crisis and they gave me nothing but a bill that won't pass and then they skipped town. So I am going to reallocate funds that are used for handling aliens already in the country to deal with this crisis on the border. I'll deal with additional judges and case workers to deal with those children that have to be handled as set forth by the Bush law."

Boom. He deals with the border crisis AND provides for de facto less enforcement against people already in the country. And it doesn't even cost anything.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Dat 11-dimensional chess.

So Obama wanted a bunch of money for the border crisis. To compromise down, he slashed the amount by 1/3 or so. The ever-so-helpful GOP House slashed that smaller amount down to a 1/5th or so of what he wanted and failed to pass it. But they packed it with more poison pills and passed a bill with a few hundred million in it knowing that it would never get through the Senate and that Obama would not sign it.

Now Obama is faced with this border crisis, he's got no money, and there is an election coming up. He wants to keep Latinos on the D side but he can't just let the border get over-run. So what do you do?

You say "Well, I asked for help from Congress to deal with the border crisis and they gave me nothing but a bill that won't pass and then they skipped town. So I am going to reallocate funds that are used for handling aliens already in the country to deal with this crisis on the border. I'll deal with additional judges and case workers to deal with those children that have to be handled as set forth by the Bush law."

Boom. He deals with the border crisis AND provides for de facto less enforcement against people already in the country. And it doesn't even cost anything.

IMPEACH! STEPPING ON THE CONSTITUTION!
 

Retro

Member
Dat 11-dimensional chess.

I think the "11-Dimension chess" thing is overblown. Obama is good, but not that good. It's just that when your opponent is the modern GOP, regular old chess is sufficient because you spend most of the time just getting them to not put the pieces in their mouths.
 
I think the "11-Dimension chess" thing is overblown. Obama is good, but not that good. It's just that when your opponent is the modern GOP, regular old chess is sufficient because you spend most of the time just getting them to not put the pieces in their mouths.

Yes, very true. It wasn't like this was all that complex but I didn't realize it until today.
 
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thepotatoman

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I don't buy that wave math. Every race is independent.

It's one of the best indicators we have. Much better than the president's approval rating at least. No one can give a perfect number that can accurately predict how dozens of races will be affected by a change in the generic ballot numbers, so it's easiest to just split any wave down the middle and hope most inaccuracies in individual races cancel each other out.

It also helps that there's 13 times as many races as there are governor or senate races, making it a lot more likely for individual campaign shifts to average themselves out.

There has to be somewhere that national shift in the generic ballot comes from, and I'd like to hear the argument which suggests that we should expect most of that shift to come from the races that aren't as close instead of the ones that are.

Democrats will have a net loss of seats in the house imo. Just don't get the impression turnout is going to be decent, which is probably why democrats are so desperately bringing up impeachment. Yea republicans started it and some are serious about it...but I think we all know it's not going to happen. Although admittedly, if Obama goes through with an executive action on immigration it could open the door.

Polls haven't dramatically over represented democrats in the generic ballot since at least the 2004 election, and it's extremely clear that the generic ballot polls are far stronger for the democrats than they were in 2012. So you'll have to excuse me if I trust that over a gut feeling.
 

Wilsongt

Member
What do you know? The states that have seen the lowest percentage drop in uninsured individuals are all states that are run by Republicans and have given their middle finger to Obama's law.



All of these elected officials are able to have health insurance, but because they are selfish pricks, they are intentionally hurting the people in their state. The same people who will keep voting for these selfish bastards over and over again.
 
Democrats will have a net loss of seats in the house imo. Just don't get the impression turnout is going to be decent, which is probably why democrats are so desperately bringing up impeachment. Yea republicans started it and some are serious about it...but I think we all know it's not going to happen. Although admittedly, if Obama goes through with an executive action on immigration it could open the door.
In 2010, the polls showed a record low approval for incumbent re-election, along with a record high of voters saying their Congressman deserves to be re-elected.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, released Tuesday, indicates that only 34 percent feel that current federal lawmakers deserve re-election, with 63 percent saying no.

According to the survey, 51 percent feel their own member of Congress should be re-elected -- also an all-time low in CNN polling -- while 44 percent say their representative doesn't deserve to be returned to office in November.
We all know Democrats got that ass beat in 2010. But right now in 2014, it's looking even worse than 2010:
With six months to go before the midterms, 22% of U.S. registered voters say most members of Congress deserve re-election, and 72% say they do not
And for the first time ever, majority of people believe their own Congressman does not deserve to be re-elected:
Just 41 percent in this national survey approve of the way their own representative in the U.S. House is handling his or her job, the lowest in ABC/Post polls dating back a quarter century, to May 1989. Fifty-one percent disapprove – more than half for the first time.

The result, extending a drop from last October, turns on its head the old chestnut that Americans hate Congress but love their Congress member.
What does this all mean? I don't really know, especially since we gerrymandered the fuck out of districts in 2010. There's conflicting polling for sure when you consider all the other races where GOP is leading.
 
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