I think the point is that while the law remains unpopular overall, calling for it's repeal is no longer an effective political message for Republicans. Mostly because they've yet to propose any viable alternative that would prevent a catastrophic health care crisis were it repealed.
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I think the point is that while the law remains unpopular overall, calling for it's repeal is no longer an effective political message for Republicans. Mostly because they've yet to propose any viable alternative that would prevent a catastrophic health care crisis were it repealed.
Aaron Strife
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On this topic, Mark Pryor released an ad today where he talks with his father (David Pryor, former Senator) about his support for healthcare reform. Of course, he doesn't call it Obamacare, but he's certainly not running away from it.
In more bad news for PD, a Suffolk University poll has Hagan leading Tillis by 2. Amusingly this is the same pollster that stopped polling NC, VA and FL in 2012 because they believed they were all safe Romney states and didn't see the point.
Update on that last BoA fraud thing I posted.
Turns out he's getting sued now.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-20/countrywide-s-mozilo-said-to-face-u-s-suit-over-loans.html
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-08-06/bank-of-america-s-penalty-misses-the-point
Turns out he's getting sued now.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-20/countrywide-s-mozilo-said-to-face-u-s-suit-over-loans.html
speculawyer
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Seriously . . . this summer sucks. Israel/Gaza, Ebola, Russia/Ukraine, IS/Iraq, Libya, etc. The world is really burning this summer.
JesseEwiak
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Eh, this is true, but overall, we're still in a better place than even 20 or 25 years ago, when there were dozens of civil wars, proxy wars, and so on going on because the US and Soviets needed to measure their dicks.
I think now just looks bad because honestly, we went through a unlikely 10 years of near peace from the fall of the Wall to 9/11. The world is burning, but it's always burnt. We can just get right up close to the flames now and watch every ember flick away.
It doesn't help that the US elects officals that fan those flames, and that egomaniacs have taken control in a lot of countries.
Well this might brighten up your day a little:
Best line in that interview:
Sarah of Wasilla said:
http://wonkette.com/557803/sarah-palin-tina-fey-would-be-nothing-without-me
I bet Lisa Ann has made more money off pretending to be Palin than Tina Fey.
Maybe more money than Palin herself!
Aaron Strife
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I think Palin is egotistical if she believes that she has truly an effect on maybe the public debate about who should lead the country in the next four years (or ever)
speculawyer
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Oh I think she's had an effect . . . . but a negative one for her party.
zero shift
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So how was that Huey Long guy? Was he a bad guy? Someone said something about him in another thread and he seems interesting.
NYCmetsfan
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I think your underselling it. Palin being and idiot was solidified be her stuff. It helps form the ideas about what kind of person she is.
Those skits were BIG. I doubt it changed the election, but shaping the debate? Yeah
NYCmetsfan
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Socialist/Populist.
Hero to many but he was a crazy guy, almost dictator like, but really well liked in Louisiana. He was the basis for "all the kings men"
It certainly didn't help that Palin looked like a complete and utter moron in her very first big interview.
NYCmetsfan
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True but the SNL videos were shared more than the interview itself
Oh no doubt, they popularized what was already there. We were all going to find out Palin was an idiot, SNL just spend up the process by a few weeks.
benjipwns
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And It Can't Happen Here. Which Lewis wrote in part in hopes of damaging Long before the election.
With every passing day I'm more convinced the Senate is a lost cause. Sometimes polling makes me optimistic but the map is just so brutal for Democrats and the GOP knows this.
If Mitch is teasing another shutdown post-2014 the ACA is fucked (if Halbig doesn't fuck it beforehand, that is...)
If Mitch is teasing another shutdown post-2014 the ACA is fucked (if Halbig doesn't fuck it beforehand, that is...)
zero shift
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...I still don't see why people say he was bad.
Aaron Strife
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Nah man Democrats are gonna pick up Kansas, Kentucky and Georgia, +2 in the Senate +30 in the House +10 governorships BOOK IT
it'll be fine
NYCmetsfan
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He wasn't very democratic and got crazy, giving hints of
Every day I check the 270towin simulator on who would win control of the Senate.
Every day has been a disappointment.
Brawndo Addict
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Don't know much about Huey Long or his personal life/beliefs, but I liked every plank of the Share our Wealth platform.
Obviously you'd have to tinker to compensate for inflation and whatnot, but seems like a good starting point to me. The fact we still haven't caught up to Truman's Fair Deal is pathetic; the Share our Wealth Platform will probably start to look conservative itself in a couple decades.
Obviously you'd have to tinker to compensate for inflation and whatnot, but seems like a good starting point to me. The fact we still haven't caught up to Truman's Fair Deal is pathetic; the Share our Wealth Platform will probably start to look conservative itself in a couple decades.
"Hey everybody, pay attention to me"
That's two useless people that John McCain introduced to the world.
Obama will have zero reason to give in. He won't care about anything but his legacy- so he'll be willing to shut down the government for a year if needbe (and that would sabotage Congress in 2016 hard)
Nah. The GOP smartened up and didn't let Tea Party loons ascend to winning the primary. A lot of us were counting on that. These elections are going to be really close.
He isn't going to allow the Government to shut down for a year.
Neither is McConnell. It's just grand-standing. The ACA isn't going away, because you need to break a filibuster, be able to handwave away the millions of people that would then lose their coverage, and finally overcome a veto. Even if the GOP wins the Senate, it's meaningless in the ACA context.
Something something Ted Cruz something Halbig something something.
zero shift
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I understand that he was undemocratic a bit but at times you have to be to fight the establishment. FDR was by far the most undemocratic president the United States had in the 20th century, but there was a reason for that. I understand there is a limit but I believe that there is some wiggle room.
speculawyer
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Never say never.
speculawyer
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So Benji, tell us what you think about such politics.
You so cray.
The ACA isn't going anywhere. If the GOP wants to shut down the government again after having already done it and having it be a huge disaster for them, then I encourage them to do so.
NYCmetsfan
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Yeah, that's why I don't much admire him because people lose all sense of anything but "the ends". It never goes well.
lol
its wonderfully easy to write up a platform with lofty goals, its another to realize their are others who disagree and you have to find a way to make progress instead of demagoguing
1,2, kinda 3 because of its formula, and 5 I have issues with. They're roads to places that have played out time and time again with disastrous consequences
zero shift
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It went well with FDR.
True but there are some exceptions with 5. Yugoslavia and (Bulgaria? I can't remember which one) did so very well.
Aaron Strife
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PPP polling Iowa this week, can't wait for the results, I feel like it's been a while since we've had a decent pollster there
Also saw an interesting article where the GOP worries that Alaska might be slipping away from them. That state is a bit of a wild card but I've always considered it one of the better states for Senate Democrats this election.
Also saw an interesting article where the GOP worries that Alaska might be slipping away from them. That state is a bit of a wild card but I've always considered it one of the better states for Senate Democrats this election.
NYCmetsfan
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FDR wasn't that undemocratic beside's his wartime things (his first ten years).
And I just really don't trust bureaucrats in washing to run agriculture. I don't think the US should look to the balken's (didn't they import a lot?) but rather the bigger larger multiethinic nations where they've tried that kind of control. Its been bad.
Brawndo Addict
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*Shrug*
Adjusting for inflation alone would multiply most of those figures by 17x, and as I mentioned, I see it as a good starting point, not that it should be implemented as is. I don't think capitalism or free democratic society is threatened by the principle of limiting the upper bounds of personal wealth or guaranteeing a lower bound of wealth. Where you put the limits absolutely can, but that's a different conversation. I'd hardly call it demagoguing to talk about these ideas, but since socialism is a dirty word in America clearly someone has been doing it, just in the other direction.
Piecemeal progress and compromise to placate the powers that be is why we're still struggling to figure out basic societal problems like health care, education, income inequality, discrimination, etc. We're still arguing about universal healthcare 70 years after the fact. When progress is that stunted, it's not enough to catch up to the past, we need to jump to where society should be.
JesseEwiak
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Shocker : Rand Paul not actually popular with young people
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rand-paul-will-win-over-young-voters-myth/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/youngsters-love-rand-paul-is-a-fake-trend.html
In other words, young white conservatives just like to smoke weed and don't mind gay people. But, it's still just young white conservatives who love Rand. The coming multicultural apocalypse for the GOP continues.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rand-paul-will-win-over-young-voters-myth/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/youngsters-love-rand-paul-is-a-fake-trend.html
In other words, young white conservatives just like to smoke weed and don't mind gay people. But, it's still just young white conservatives who love Rand. The coming multicultural apocalypse for the GOP continues.
PhoenixDark
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Presidential polls don't matter at this point IMO. Give Paul time to campaign, win the nomination*, do events, etc and I genuinely believe he'd do well with young voters. He wouldn't beat Hillary amongst young people but wouldn't lose them 2008 style. I think young people have 6 years worth of experience in this shitty economy to at least give a decent republican a chance.
*not saying he will, just noting a hypothetical.
*not saying he will, just noting a hypothetical.
speculawyer
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Explain why you think young people will go for the GOP on economics. The economy completely tanked when they were running things. Their only economic policy for the last 6 years has been "No" and "Cut taxes for rich people!" I don't see that selling well.
JesseEwiak
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Maybe PD thinks other young people are as much a sucker for "moderate" Republicans who aren't moderate in any way, like he was with Ricky Snyder.
Most young people only think Rand Paul of the guy for pot and against wars. They don't know he thinks Paul Ryan didn't go far enough, abortion is still wrong, and the Civil Right's Act wasn't needed.
Rand Paul won't do well with young voters. He'll do well with the reddit libertarian crowd, but outside of that he offers nothing to younger voters.
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