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thepotatoman
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Good lord, how do we have so many insane bigots in this country still.
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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News
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Good lord, how do we have so many insane bigots in this country still.
So you gave up on the House?
I think that means the Senate is up for grabs. The map sucks.
TacticalFox88
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Bams' election brought it to the forefront. They used to hide it with subtlety.
I'm still bullish on 2014. Obama's approval is starting to go back up. As long as he and Dems continue to push job creation and "action", Obamacare sees more success, and the GOP continues to try to play games around the debt ceiling, and putting their foots in their mouths in regard to women, then I think 2014 is a very good year for Democrats.
Also, expect Florida to help Dems to win a lot of House seats. Rick Scott is very unpopular and might take down a lot of GOPers with him in November.
Also, expect Florida to help Dems to win a lot of House seats. Rick Scott is very unpopular and might take down a lot of GOPers with him in November.
PhoenixDark
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-january-enrollment-sebelius
So about 800k between December 28th and January 15th.
If the same rate keeps up for the rest of January and February, then expect 1.85 million more for those months. So about 4.85 million total.
March will have numbers similar to December, I believe, so I think 1.75 million is March is reasonable. Which would make the total 6.6 million. A bit lower than the initial seven million projection, but still very good.
cartoon_soldier
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So overall, Obamacare has now covered 11 million + people?
3 million private
4 million medicard
4 million people under 26 on their parent's plan
Right?
3 million private
4 million medicard
4 million people under 26 on their parent's plan
Right?
There's plenty of people who will wait until the last minute to sign up. At least that's what happened in Massachusetts with Romneycare.
Aaron Strife
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If nothing else I think Dems will hold
- LA
- NC
- IA
- MI
Which should be good for a 50 seat(+Biden) majority.
And could conceivably win AR, AK, GA, KY, MT.
ACA Signups says 13.57 mil
NC is going to be insane. Not just because Hagan might have a fight on her hands but you know the state GOP will be borderline-illegally bringing the fire to her chances. So even if she's 50/50 or 52/48 you have to take into account that the state GOP is like an aggro mob in an MMO attacking you with poison.
AR, AK, GA, KY, MT... of those I think AK and especially KY are the best chances they have. TURTLEFACE MUST LOSE. I am disappointed that certain Senators are retiring, they could at least secure another term and stick around until post-2016 election to see what happens. Then quit. Do it for the party, guys. Geez.
Black Mamba
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Actually, it's 6 million Medicaid confirmed. Possibly 7.5 million by now.
Since October, that makes over 10 million. Then throw in the under 26.
Good luck trying to run on taking away healthcare for like 20 million people, GOP.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah Republicans will go all out in North Carolina, for sure. But nothing they do will change the fact that their best candidate is Thom freakin' Tillis. Hagan has also been raising buttloads of money so she should be fine on her own.
I'm hoping we see a similar success story in Georgia. I feel like Obama's campaign apparatus has always wanted to put it in their column and this is their last shot (in 2008 they flooded the airwaves in hopes that they could win the state with 47%, counting on Bob Barr to win at least 6% of the vote - they got 47% but Barr's support in the polls collapsed). Who knows, if Michelle Nunn wins she might be able to take Jason Carter with her and we'll have another Medicaid state.
WayneMorse
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Nunn is a strong candidate and the GOP primary field is absolutely off the wall insane so there's a reasonable chance.
But they just want to take away the bad parts, like the Obama in the name.
Aaron Strife
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Its political destiny is the same as Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia. It's just a cycle behind.
Consider that between 2008 and 2012, Obama only went from 46.9% of the vote to 45.5% of the vote. In 08 he blanketed the state with ads, in 2012 there was nothing.
It's been a while since anyone's polled there but Michelle Nunn has been doing very well, usually tied or ahead. I think this is actually more winnable than Kentucky - none of her prospective opponents have the same clout or resources as McConnell. They're all Todd Akin.
But they're the ones who gave it that name.
StopMakingSense
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Oh god, I just saw what that Hillary moon thing was actually from. wtf.
TacticalFox88
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I feel like we're looking at Obamacare numbers like gaming does NPD
Aaron Strife
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More plans getting canceled than third party Wii U gamesI feel like we're looking at Obamacare numbers like gaming does NPD
The Fox News spin on the ACA numbers is essentially "Well, these people haven't had to pay their premiums yet. We'll really see what happens with Obamacare if/when these people pay their premiums. We're going to see EVERYONE'S premiums go up."
Edit: Like clockwork:
3 Million People Have Now Enrolled in ObamaCare
Edit: Like clockwork:
3 Million People Have Now Enrolled in ObamaCare
Even as a socialist whose pretty far on the left I find the idea of a revolution in the future to be terrifying.. because even if we had one that made a successful transition in abolishing capitalism they'd still be a lot of unnecessary death's and bloodshed that'd be kind of shitty to live through. On the other hand it's not like there's a optimistic future for reformism at this point, although I'd sure kill for a few progressive reforms right now.;p
Though Venezuela sort-of-revolution (if it can be even classified as one) wasn't that bloody.. but it's certainly not a good model as it hasn't completely made a complete transition to socialism, has a ton of issues economically and Hugo Chavez was kind of a ideological nut-case even If I respected his intentions and what he attempted to do for Venezuela (which was no paradise even before Chavez).
Regarding the Israel discussion on the previous page, I think it's important to note that the territory of Palestine was not the only area in consideration for creating the state. IIRC, an area of Texas and Argentina were also under consideration (this was before WW2). My opinion is that, with the advantage of hindsight, the state of Israel probably never should have been created. I'm honestly pretty disturbed at establishing any state with the express intent of having a religiously/ethnically pure population.
I understand the desire, after the revelations of the holocaust, for a save haven and a means to defend themselves against hostile states. And, to be fair, at the time Palestine was a sparsely populated territory without much of a national identity, so some people naively assumed Palestinians would just move to neighboring Arab states, but the people creating Israel knew that wouldn't happen and had already been planning on how to remove the Arabs. I think the best thing to do would have just been for Jews to move to existing countries more friendly to them, like the US (I realize at the time there was still more anti-Semitism in the US than now, but they still had legal protections). Hell, if the Zionists had organized to move a lot of Jews to a sparsely populated state like Wyoming they could still have a political subdivision where they're a majority, similar to Mormons in Utah.
I took a (introductory level) course on the Israel/Palestinian conflict history recently. I went into it with a negative opinion of Israel just based on the modern human rights abuses I see in the news, but I left with an even worse opinion of it, and my professor was a Jewish Rabbi (he was really good at explaining context objectively. I still have no idea what "side" he's on). For almost all of its history, since before its founding, Israel has been led mostly by right wing radical pieces of shit like Begin and Sharon. Israel has never had any intention of making peace with Palestine, and some of the big players in Israel's creation and early governance were literally terrorists, like Begin who was part of Irgun (which I believe is what became the IDF once Israel was created). Irgun was a right wing terrorist group that attacked the British in the Palestinian territory, seeking independence from the colonial powers. It's kinda funny how some of those same people, when in positions of authority in the new State of Israel, mercilessly kill Palestinian terrorists (fighting for independence from what they view as a colonial power) without the slightest hint of acknowledging the irony.
This post ended up being longer than I intended so sorry for the rant. My basic point is that I think creating Israel was a mistake, albeit with understandable and sympathetic reasons. However, the people in charge of Israel throughout history have ranged from being shitty to being cartoon villains. And the government has been consistently engaged in disgusting actions and policies that have made what was already guaranteed to be a bad situation even worse, rather than trying to actually address the problems Israel's creation caused with something other than war and Arab discrimination.
I understand the desire, after the revelations of the holocaust, for a save haven and a means to defend themselves against hostile states. And, to be fair, at the time Palestine was a sparsely populated territory without much of a national identity, so some people naively assumed Palestinians would just move to neighboring Arab states, but the people creating Israel knew that wouldn't happen and had already been planning on how to remove the Arabs. I think the best thing to do would have just been for Jews to move to existing countries more friendly to them, like the US (I realize at the time there was still more anti-Semitism in the US than now, but they still had legal protections). Hell, if the Zionists had organized to move a lot of Jews to a sparsely populated state like Wyoming they could still have a political subdivision where they're a majority, similar to Mormons in Utah.
I took a (introductory level) course on the Israel/Palestinian conflict history recently. I went into it with a negative opinion of Israel just based on the modern human rights abuses I see in the news, but I left with an even worse opinion of it, and my professor was a Jewish Rabbi (he was really good at explaining context objectively. I still have no idea what "side" he's on). For almost all of its history, since before its founding, Israel has been led mostly by right wing radical pieces of shit like Begin and Sharon. Israel has never had any intention of making peace with Palestine, and some of the big players in Israel's creation and early governance were literally terrorists, like Begin who was part of Irgun (which I believe is what became the IDF once Israel was created). Irgun was a right wing terrorist group that attacked the British in the Palestinian territory, seeking independence from the colonial powers. It's kinda funny how some of those same people, when in positions of authority in the new State of Israel, mercilessly kill Palestinian terrorists (fighting for independence from what they view as a colonial power) without the slightest hint of acknowledging the irony.
This post ended up being longer than I intended so sorry for the rant. My basic point is that I think creating Israel was a mistake, albeit with understandable and sympathetic reasons. However, the people in charge of Israel throughout history have ranged from being shitty to being cartoon villains. And the government has been consistently engaged in disgusting actions and policies that have made what was already guaranteed to be a bad situation even worse, rather than trying to actually address the problems Israel's creation caused with something other than war and Arab discrimination.
NYCmetsfan
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Edit: I'm not even responding because I'm not being dragged that rabbit hole. I know how it goes.
I agree it was a generally poor post, but I think his general point was the theory that rather to create a state then, the victims should have been given asylum throughout the world, much like other refugees get now. And not just the Jews, but the others persecuted by the Nazis, including homosexuals, gypsies and so forth.
It's an argument I have seen elsewhere, and I am not sure how practical it would have been then vs. what actually happened, but hindsight is always clearer than prognostication. Does anyone have any more information on whether this was seriously considered?
NYCmetsfan
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I had larger problems with the tone and descriptions.
But that point you highlight is something that I'd be willing to engage. the uganda option is the only solution that I ever remember getting much traction but the Balfour Declaration really put all those other options to bed the largest empire in the world endorsed a palestinian homeland for the jews.
And I don't think many peoples had/have a Jerusalem. For more than millennium the jews ended seder with 'Next Year in Jerusalem' Its not really the same in my opinion. (I'm also of the opinion that is should be a city open to all Jews, Muslims, Christians and non-believers) and the minorities in Israel should be full and equal citizens.
Yeah, that was my point. I'm not sure how it would have turned out either, but it's not like the idea they went with turned out very well.
Also, I should say that while I think creating Israel was a mistake, what's done is done and it's here to stay now. Going forward, I tend to favor a one-state solution with universal suffrage, for reasons Chichikov already covered (any two-state deal now would pretty shitty for Palestine, leaving them with unconnected territory and no infrastructure. And I have a hard time seeing a proposed Palestine not becoming a failed state). The problem with that is that politicians would never go for it because it turns demographics completely on upside down. 50% of the voting population of Israel would suddenly be Arab.
NYCmetsfan
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And it eliminates the jewish state. The entire purpose of Israel's creation.
zero shift
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Pretty much the same here. My dad is from Palestine. I didn't talk with him much growing up as he and my mom got divorced when I was 3, but it was very clear that he (as well as my mother) hated Israel. I tried to take a neutral stance on the subject when researching. The more I learned the more negative of the state I became. The boarders shit is ridiculous.
The problem with the far left is their mentality. Go to any Somethingawful political forum and you'll find many of them talking about a bloody revolution or posting shit like how Mao Zedong saved countless lives due to stopping infant mortality so the fact that he starved 40 million people to death only balances things out. Many of them see things through an "ends justify the means" mentality. Even when things are crumbling around them they will still try to defend instead of looking for solutions.
The reality is that things are done "slowly" with reform. The French Revolution often inspires many of the far left revolutions but the ironic part is that the French Revolution failed. At least in its initial vision. It didn't lead to democracy and peach, it lead to a dictatorship and war. Compare that to the United States which progressively gotten more democratic over the course of two hundred years or so before "real democracy" (at least for all white men) was achieved.
I feel like we're looking at Obamacare numbers like gaming does NPD
Who's Wii U? Vita?
The worst part is that kind of mentality alienates a lot of people. The biggest and most important thing the far-left movement should be emphasising right now is building class consciousness - and this can be achieved through many different methods -such as unions, building movements related to current social issues that affect us directly and stronger more rational critiques of capitalism that is based on evidence not ad-hominens, while pushing progressive reforms and winning them to increase faith in the broader movement, not babble about abstract crap like "VIVA LA REVOLUTION! BURN DOWN THE ESTABLISHMENT!"
I agree with you on the French Revolution, although I'd argue the path to democracy for America wasn't exactly bloodless, personally I think the most optimistic part about the future right now is the implications that technological advancement will have on our economy - for example achieving something like 100% renewable energy globally for our economies could arguably trigger a revolutionary change in itself without the need for a huge amount of blood to be spilled.
WayneMorse
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11900474
Dow dropped 2% today because of slowing growth in developing countries.
Could this be the beginning of more troubled economic times ahead?
Dow dropped 2% today because of slowing growth in developing countries.
Could this be the beginning of more troubled economic times ahead?
zero shift
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Completely agree. I fear that with machines replacing workers every day (online shopping, self driving cars, robots, 3D printing, etc.) the need for worker owned businesses will start to seem pointless.
mckmas8808
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So they added 800,000 people in 3 weeks?
Barf.
Thats a policy that seems destined to create resentment of non-Jewish people living in Israel towards Jews. And even Jews towards the religious Jews since I remember reading that they give religious Jews special priviliges as well
Giant Panda
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The early Jews and Palestinians both share a lot of the blame for mistakes during the original founding of Israel, but the British are probably most to blame for playing both sides off each other. The early Jewish settlers had a very colonialist attitude to the Arabs near them: they anticipated no resistance to the creation of Israel from these Arabs because they thought it was obvious that they would be better off living under Jewish rule. The UN partition was also a complete miscarriage of justice as it gave the majority of the land to the Jews even though the Arabs greatly outnumbered them (not to mention stupid borders). The Arabs were to blame though for initiating violence first after the UN partition was announced, though Jewish terrorist groups actually waged war much more brutally than the Arabs did.
After the initial war was over Palestinians were split between Egypt and Jordan so any complaints they have that time period belong with those countries mostly. After the 1967 war though, Israel has been nearly entirely to blame for the suffering in that region. In my opinion any support for Israel after 1967 is entirely misplaced. The PLO's and Hamas's violent tactics aren't the answer,but Israel has been easily worse.
After the initial war was over Palestinians were split between Egypt and Jordan so any complaints they have that time period belong with those countries mostly. After the 1967 war though, Israel has been nearly entirely to blame for the suffering in that region. In my opinion any support for Israel after 1967 is entirely misplaced. The PLO's and Hamas's violent tactics aren't the answer,but Israel has been easily worse.
The border states should be huge advocates of legalization if they were more concerned for their own interests rather than 'morality'. Best way to drastically reduce cartel violence on the border is to reduce their income
NYCmetsfan
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Romney bitching about the CNN debates is gold.
On a whole he doesn't seem like a bad person but not someone I want in the white house.
On a whole he doesn't seem like a bad person but not someone I want in the white house.
Avon Barksdale
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What'd he say?
NYCmetsfan
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Just saying he was 'right' in the spirit (benghazi) and she didn't let him talk about certain things.
The movie really shows that mitt is exactly as you imagine him to be. He really didn't know he was gonna lose...
Edit: hahaha he really thought he had a chance in Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin
I still find that all to be absolutely unfathomable.
NYCmetsfan
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This really hasn't been political but this ending is an amazing look at their mindset.
I can't say I'm shocked, I went to a summer program at Columbia with some rich kids one year (I had a scholarship or something, I don't remember it was a long time ago) and the bubble these kids lived in was astonishing. When you're born into immense wealth you get it into your head that you can buy anything, that throwing enough money at a problem will fix it. Unless your parents go out of their way to make sure you don't grow up in that bubble you'll be there for life.
PhoenixDark
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Seems like Wendy Davis' campaign has imploded. I didn't believe she was going to win anyway, but I was quite impressed when I heard she raised 12mil last quarter. But the news about her bio being altered seems like it'll secure Abbot. You can't say you worked to pay for your education and then it's revealed your ex husband payed for it - granted, Davis payed for her undergraduate studies, but he sent her to law school.
Is there some sexism thrown into this? Of course. Still...
Is there some sexism thrown into this? Of course. Still...
WayneMorse
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Outside of right wing media literally no one cares about whatever sexist faux scandal the Abbott campaign made up.
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