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[AntoneM]

So this is Why PD thinks walker will be our next president:

Just last week, the Chicago Tribune published a report with this headline: “Wisconsin economy lags after Walker’s spending and tax cuts.”

In 2011, new Republican Gov. Scott Walker set the creation of 250,000 jobs as the benchmark for success of his new administration. Walker missed that goal by a wide margin over his first term despite an embrace of sweeping tax cuts aimed at stimulating growth. Instead, the cuts helped dig a more than $2 billion hole in the state budget.

Wisconsin ranked 36th among the states and District of Columbia in the pace of private-sector job growth during Walker’s term, trailing all Rust Belt states and all but one other state in the Midwest.

More specifically, when it comes to job creation, Wisconsin ranked 35th in the nation in 2011, 36th in 2012, 38th in 2013, and 38th in 2014. Walker not only failed to keep his promise about creating 250,000 in his first term, he barely made it to 129,000.

In May, the Washington Post reported that the state’s rate of private-sector job growth “is one of the worst in the nation” and Wisconsin’s middle class “has shrunk at a faster rate than any other state in the country.”

I can understand why Walker doesn't want to garner too much spotlight.

 

[NeoXChaos]

We don't get to choose if and when we are tagged, or with what, we are nothing but peons living our lives until the mods choose us to stand above the masses. Or people get tagged for being utter morons, really it can go either way.

Oh okay. thx

 

[Plinko]

So this is Why PD thinks walker will be our next president:



I can understand why Walker doesn't want to garner too much spotlight.

This is what I've been saying from the beginning. Bush will destroy this guy because he has somewhat of a decent record. Walker decimated the schools, the economy, etc. He's a conservative dream and a general election nightmare.

 

[Grexeno]

He's a conservative dream and a general election nightmare.

So he's going to run away with the primary?

 

[Plinko]

So he's going to run away with the primary?

Did Perry/Santorum run away with it last time?

 

[Grexeno]

Did Perry/Santorum run away with it last time?

I mean, if you're going to call him a "conservative dream" he should probably have a legit chance at winning instead of a non-existent one.

 

[Macho Madness]

 

[Rhomega Beta]

PoliGAF 2015 |OT| We may not be excited for the candidate, but we are excited for the poll numbers

PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Poll Position

 

[Plinko]

I mean, if you're going to call him a "conservative dream" he should probably have a legit chance at winning instead of a non-existent one.

I believe that the idea that only conservative republicans vote in the primary is antiquated at best, so no.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I believe that the idea that only conservative republicans vote in the primary is antiquated at best, so no.

correct and the idea that only liberal democrats vote in the primary is also antiquated at best. We have a long 11 months to go so yay.

 

[Retromelon]

PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Poll Position

Either this ones quite good or my atari bias is kicking in again

 

[HylianTom]

Either this ones quite good or my atari bias is kicking in again

I get the old Pole Position Saturday morning cartoon jingle in my head when I see it. Good memories.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Poll Position

Winner.

 

[zero shift]

I realize that I am a little late with the Greece thread comments, but yeah I agree it is a clusterfuck. People seem to be more concerned over how they feel about Syriza's ideology than how the policies that the Greek Government and EU propose will effect Greece.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Did Perry/Santorum run away with it last time?

Neither is a particularly good politician. Walker won multiple elections in a blue state and has a perfect record for conservatives. Perry had a good record for conservatives outside of immigration, which was a deal breaker.

Walker will be the nominee.

 

[sc0la]

Walker will be the nominee.

This won't be a thing that happens.

 

[eBay Huckster]

This won't be a thing that happens.

But if it is a thing that happens, it'll be halfway up the hilarity scale.

Spoiler

Carson's a 10 on that scale. Trump makes it explode like a scouter.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Goodbye GOP nomination.

 

[HylianTom]

Goodbye GOP nomination.

Eerie. I said the same thing.

It's like Obama is knowingly messing with the GOP's contest.

 

[NeoXChaos]

atleast its better than this.

 

[Trouble]

Goodbye GOP nomination.

There's some weird secret society handshake going on there.

 

[B-Dubs]

Goodbye GOP nomination.

Welp, so much for Walker. Who is next?

 

[Retromelon]

Welp, so much for Walker. Who is next?

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Ecotic]

It's tradition that the Governor meets the President with a smile and handshake on the tarmac, that's not where Christie messed up. He spent a whole day or two side by side with Obama in crisis management mode, praising him in emotion-laden press conferences in a perceived attempt to beef up his own bipartisan credentials at the cost of Romney. All of this mere days before the election.

 

[Retromelon]

Lets be honest christie hugging obama like a gestation crate on a hog didnt swing the election

 

[PhoenixDark]

It's tradition that the Governor meets the President with a smile and handshake on the tarmac, that's not where Christie messed up. He spent a whole day or two side by side with Obama in crisis management mode, praising him in emotion-laden press conferences in a perceived attempt to beef up his own bipartisan credentials at the cost of Romney. All of this mere days before the election.

This. I think most grown ups recognize and understand a governor happily meeting a president as he steps off AF1 isn't a big deal. Christie took things to another level. Granted the man was mainly trying to help out his state by any means necessary, but I truly believe he also knew Romney was going to lose and wanted to position himself for 2016.

 

[Jackson50]

This is what I've been saying from the beginning. Bush will destroy this guy because he has somewhat of a decent record. Walker decimated the schools, the economy, etc. He's a conservative dream and a general election nightmare.

Paradoxically, an attack on Walker's record is a tacit admission that conservative economic policies are ineffective. Walker has been the consummate conservative for his entire tenure. If Wisconsin is faltering economically, it's because conservative economic policies have failed. Jeb might be secure enough to attack Walker because he's willing to be perceived as more moderate. But I wonder if primary voters would be receptive to that message.

 

[Crisco]

Aetna and Humana merger = 1 step closer to single payer!

 

[Diablos]

Were the matching ties intentional?

 

[Wilsongt]

Bams making photo ops and brining the gop noms down one at a time.

 

[Plinko]

Paradoxically, an attack on Walker's record is a tacit admission that conservative economic policies are ineffective. Walker has been the consummate conservative for his entire tenure. If Wisconsin is faltering economically, it's because conservative economic policies have failed. Jeb might be secure enough to attack Walker because he's willing to be perceived as more moderate. But I wonder if primary voters would be receptive to that message.

This is exactly the reason I'm looking forward to the primaries. The last four years have been a near-disaster for conservative economic policies. Falling unemployment rate in the US, Kansas tanking like nothing we've ever seen, Wisconsin going from great to incredibly poor...the list goes on.

 

[demon]

What exactly is Walker going to run on? I just don't get it. His record is abysmal and by virtually any metric he's been disastrous for the state he's supposed to be governing. I mean, sure he's been extremely successful as far as implementing conservative policy and I realize that to many conservatives that's all that matters because to them the means justify the ends, but they've utterly failed. His record is entirely one of failure under any scrutiny. There's no way he can win against Hillary, and I have to wonder why the Republican party would bother going with him as the nominee.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Bernie who? why the Clinton campaing isnt sweating the Sanders Surge.

The Clinton campaign is reading straight from the front-runner’s playbook when dealing with the socialist Vermont senator. Her staff insists it’s taking Sanders’ polling bump seriously while showing no signs of changing its long-charted course. There are no new plans to attack Sanders, no alterations of the forthcoming policy roll-outs that will dot the summer calendar, and no expected leftward sprints to match him policy-for-policy. She doesn’t even mention his name on the campaign trail.

Instead, the former secretary of state’s political operation is making a show of its organizational muscle and safeguarding its position beyond the early-voting states. Far from sweating over reports of standing-room-only crowds at the Vermonter’s events, the Clinton campaign is breathing a quiet sigh of relief that it’s Sanders — and not a potentially more viable primary opponent like Elizabeth Warren — nipping at its heels this summer. The senator’s name pops up in conversations at Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters, but he’s not the topic of the day, week, or month — not even in the candidate’s chats with donors, who are keeping a close tab on the state of play.

And because many Clinton allies inside and outside of Brooklyn dismiss Sanders’ chances to mount a long-term challenge due to his liberal politics and troubles connecting with large portions of the Democratic base — like minority voters — they say they’re relieved Warren’s supporters have swung to him, rather than another candidate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-who-119721.html?hp=t2_r

 

[Oblivion]

Random question, but do employees usually get a discount price for insurance from their job than they would if they bought them as individuals?

 

[Diablos]

Random question, but do employees usually get a discount price for insurance from their job than they would if they bought them as individuals?

I pay somewhere around $70-80 a month.... employer pays the rest; over $220 I believe (at least).
I have great health insurance. Short of working somewhere that pays 100%, I am lucky. It's comparable to a platinum plan I'd say.

Is this what you mean?

 

[Avon Barksdale]

All part of the plan.

 

[Oblivion]

I pay somewhere around $70-80 a month.... employer pays the rest; over $220 I believe (at least).
I have great health insurance. Short of working somewhere that pays 100%, I am lucky. It's comparable to a platinum plan I'd say.

Is this what you mean?

I think I phrased it badly. I know that employers cover a portion of your health insurance. What I meant was, not even counting the portion the employer pays, is insurance in general cheaper for the Employer because they have to buy for so many people? For example, say that individually you can get a plan for $100/month. But an employer, who has to buy health insurance for multiple employees (say 30 or whatever, it doesn't matter) get those same insurance plans for say, $70/mo, because they're buying in bulk, so to speak.

 

[FiggyCal]

Paradoxically, an attack on Walker's record is a tacit admission that conservative economic policies are ineffective. Walker has been the consummate conservative for his entire tenure. If Wisconsin is faltering economically, it's because conservative economic policies have failed. Jeb might be secure enough to attack Walker because he's willing to be perceived as more moderate. But I wonder if primary voters would be receptive to that message.

Similarly, I think the same thing can be said of Donald Trump. He is a caricature of the people the gop idolizes.

 

[makingmusic476]

I think I phrased it badly. I know that employers cover a portion of your health insurance. What I meant was, not even counting the portion the employer pays, is insurance in general cheaper for the Employer because they have to buy for so many people? For example, say that individually you can get a plan for $100/month. But an employer, who has to buy health insurance for multiple employees (say 30 or whatever, it doesn't matter) get those same insurance plans for say, $70/mo, because they're buying in bulk, so to speak.

Yes, it is, though I'm not sure if it's more because of some sort of bulk rate or because employers can leverage their larger pool of insurees to negotiate for better prices (I think the latter).

That's a large part of why the exchanges were set up. To pool together people in the individual market.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Bernie who? why the Clinton campaing isnt sweating the Sanders Surge.







http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-who-119721.html?hp=t2_r

Honestly even if he does start to make a race of it I hope she doesn't feel the need to attack him. Keep it cordial and civil unlike the fucking clown show the GOP primary is bound to become.

The Obama/Clinton primary was pretty nasty.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

socialist Vermont senator.

This kinda stuff is so annoying.

You don't hear Ted Cruz or mike huckabee discribed as "theocratic"

 

[Macho Madness]

This kinda stuff is so annoying.

You don't hear Ted Cruz or mike huckabee discribed as "theocratic"

He calls himself that.

 

[Poodlestrike]

This kinda stuff is so annoying.

You don't hear Ted Cruz or mike huckabee discribed as "theocratic"

You should, tho.

In fact, I'm going to start calling them that. See if it catches on.

 

[FiggyCal]

This kinda stuff is so annoying.

You don't hear Ted Cruz or mike huckabee discribed as "theocratic"

I think it's worse when they add the "self described" aspect to it. We don't do that to anyone else. It's a little insulting tbh.

"Hillary Clinton, the self described liberal democrat..."

 

[FyreWulff]

Brother went to go see Bernie Sanders who just came to town. I wanted to go check it out but got timecrunched.

I'll ask him for his impressions afterwards.

enjoy potatophoto from his phone

 

[NeoXChaos]

Just putting this out there for the sake of Bernie Sanders Supporters:

Okay, I dont think Bernie Sanders has a ghost of a chance at winning a general election but his supporters do. Do we have any real concrete data to back up our assertion aside from past general elections going back to 72? Are we dismissing him too early out of the known polling compared to Hillary atm or fear of the unknown? Lets say we nominated Sanders, what happens? What are the pros and cons?

 

[Macho Madness]

The new Religious Freedom Restoration Act just went into effect in Indiana. The one that was marred in controversy and was later updated to exclude homosexual discrimination.

http://www.fox28.com/story/29462719/sex-offenders-cite-religious-objections-law-in-suit

Sex offenders sue, cite Indiana's religious objections law

Posted: Jul 02, 2015 12:28 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 02, 2015 5:57 PM EDT

By TOM DAVIES
Associated Press
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Two registered sex offenders say in a lawsuit that they should be allowed to attend church services even when they are held on the same property as schools under Indiana's new religious objections law.

The lawsuit was filed Wednesday by the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana on behalf of a sex offender who belongs to a Fort Wayne church and another who has attended an Elkhart church.

ACLU of Indiana legal director Ken Falk says the state's sex offender ban places a substantial burden on the men's ability to worship that goes beyond what is allowed under the religious objections law that took effect Wednesday.

The lawsuit names the prosecutors and sheriffs of Allen and Elkhart counties as defendants. Neither prosecutor's office had immediate comment Thursday on the lawsuit.

Enjoy your stupid law, Pence.

 

[Retromelon]

Pros: has remained steadfast in his views, considered more of a liberal and more honest than hillary.
Cons: will raise less money than hillary, has less name recognition than hillary, will be easier to tar and feather on certain news outlets as a socialist and unfit to govern.

 

[thepotatoman]

Just putting this out there for the sake of Bernie Sanders Supporters:

Okay, I dont think Bernie Sanders has a ghost of a chance at winning a general election but his supporters do. Do we have any real concrete data to back up our assertion aside from past general elections going back to 72? Are we dismissing him too early out of the known polling compared to Hillary atm or fear of the unknown? Lets say we nominated Sanders, what happens? What are the pros and cons?

The biggest upset going strictly by polls is Ted Kennedy v Jimmy Carter in 1980. Kennedy was averaging 54% to Carter's 20% in June 1979, but being the incumbent president probably helped Carter turn things around. The next two biggest primary upsets were probably both the 2008 primaries, with Obama beating Hillary and McCain beating Giuliani, which were obviously no where close to the type of upset Sanders has to pull.

But there's a first time for everything, I guess. There was nothing to say Obama could win against Hillary until he won.