Well I'd rather Cruz come in a second place finish like that than Rubio.There's this poll too.
Shit is all over the place I have no idea what's going on anymore and that makes me worried about my investment.
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Isn't this basically voter fraud?
There's this poll too.
Shit is all over the place I have no idea what's going on anymore and that makes me worried about my investment.
This is fine! This will give Bush reason to keep going.
Yoda
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There's this poll too.
Shit is all over the place I have no idea what's going on anymore and that makes me worried about my investment.
No other poll is that close, it's an outlier to say the least.
I won't deny that there aren't idiots who use it that way (see people on reddit and tankies) but it's not like the concept of "identity politics" doesn't deserve to be criticized like anything else. Class-based leftism has certainly been critiqued to hell and back, and the determination that we have reached is that class struggle in and of itself is not enough for liberation. Likewise, focusing on racial and sexual inequalities without strong support for class struggle is not enough for liberation either, because capitalism needs to be done away with just as much as patriarchy or racism or any other form of oppression.
That's the difference here. Socialists and communists critique identity politics (as in "non-class-based politics") with the intention of showing how these struggles are just as important, not more or less important, as the class struggle and that we all need to be in solidarity together in an intersectional manner to create a truly egalitarian, leftist society. Unfortunately, some people (like the aforementioned "brocialists" who idealize rather than analyze the USSR and tend to think only about their [generally white, male] struggles) have picked up on the conservative use of the phrase. But liberals also tend to ignore the need for class struggle because they're capitalists and don't want to do away with the present economic system, just modify it. That's where the breakdown happens, because both sides have a different conception about what an egalitarian system should look like in the end.
It's not like this happened out of nowhere. The Democrats have slowly been abandoning the old working class alliance ever since the Reagan years while at the same time becoming more socially liberal, and it so it created a situation where they became a party more (rightfully) concerned with the needs of minorities and women, who they need as their base in the absence of white working class voters who switched to the GOP, but this had at the same time the effect of confirming the suspicions of a lot of leftists that the Dems are controlled by capitalists who will just pay lip service to the labor movement without really supporting it. Obviously things are more complex than that in reality, but that gets into different subjects, like working within the system (which liberals want) vs. revolutionizing the system (which socialists want), but that's the point. There's an internal tension between the older-style class-based left and the newer-style (I won't call it "identity" based since that's too simple) non-class-based left that needs to be resolved through solidarity. But as long as the Democratic party remains committed to capitalism I don't know how that will be possible.
The other poll I was responding to has Rubio within 3 points of Trump.
I'm a Clinton supporter with $400 on Trump on Predictit.
While yes, Clinton is playing up the Obama connection for points, she is also campaigning as a kind of 3rd term Obama/protecting his legacy. In that regad, it makes perfect sense for her to argue and defend his record, since it's what she's basing her campaign on. I don't think it's just because he's popular, especially with the AA community, although that's a part of it
Yoda
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I can't find a link to the "Fox 5" poll, just the snippet in the article. Regardless NS has a rather strong belief Trump is a shoe in for 1st.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-at-stake-in-the-south-carolina-republican-primary/
Veritigo_X
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Dude, everything's changed with these latest polls... it's not looking good... there is a clear downward trend.
Tarkus
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Could you kill this meme when you kill you liver?
Dude, everything's changed with these latest polls... it's not looking good... there is a clear downward trend.
fuck Rubio is in double digits. It's over. The dream is dead.
That's the (we all agree garbage) polls-plus model and it still show him way ahead. You guys are acting like the trendline is vertical.
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vicissitudes
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You say you're a Clinton supporter. But $$ speaks louder than words.
Box of Kittens
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I really hope blue/purple state Republican senators perform extremely poorly this cycle, not just because I'm a Democrat but also to discourage this sort of obstruction in the future.
His money is on Trump winning the nomination, not the election.
Like Jeb, I'm going to keep going no matter what.
Macho Madness
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That only makes me more nervous. Nate has been completely clueless this primary season.
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and the most entertaining to boot
Chezzymann
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So CNN just said that this is the first time two presidents and a pope has criticized a presidential candidate in one week. Thats kind of interesting lol
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I'm going to be a big fat mess by the time the results come in. It's Saturday. I bought me some good vodka. I'ma be chill as all hell......praying that my girl manages to do what is her birth right. I need my queen to take what is rightfully hers from the Socialist Usurper.
We shall overcome!
We shall be victorious! Champagne pouring over us. All my friends are glorious! Tonight we are victorious.
We shall overcome!
We shall be victorious! Champagne pouring over us. All my friends are glorious! Tonight we are victorious.
cartoon_soldier
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Only the straight part is right
Though, Nikki Haley is my country lady and she's damn fine.
With an eye to November, we celebrate when Trump or Cruz wins.
With an eye to November, FreeRepublic celebrates when Bernie wins.
Sounds about right.
Still have no idea about tomorrow for the Dems.
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Going with Irish Coffee again.
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And I'm glad to see that others are seeing through Ralston's attention-whorish #WeMatter-I-Swear-Look-At-Us-PLEASE!!1! crap.
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I originally misread OpinionSavvy as something else..
What's stopping him from holding a press-conference/stream, showing off this "check", ripping it in half during the broadcast, proclaiming he can't be bought and then saying he'll run 3rd party?
I've basically never seen someone use the term "Identity Politics" to be anything other than dismissive of the concerns of minority groups (or to note that such a behavior exists). As if majority groups aren't concerned with issues pertaining to how they identify themselves and its only the minority groups being "uppity". When people say shit like "oh noes the Dems should turn back Identity politics before they lose white votes" all I see is a call to dial back the fight for those minority groups as if their problems have been solved or are less important. If you want to argue people in general shouldn't be idiots or needlessly adversarial, I can get behind that. However, considering even reasonable discussion or advocacy of the rights of minority groups currently and in the past can rustle the jimmies of majority groups something fierce (shit we even see this on GAF), there's no real way to fight for the rights of minority groups that won't piss off some number of the majority group. As far as I can tell, the term "Identity Politics" has been flanderized to such a degree (similar to say SJW) that even if it might have descriptive value in some cases, I have to raise my eyebrows at anyone who uses it unironically.
cartoon_soldier
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Depends on the date.
Sounds pretty good.
Hit a bar before, go to the show, then late night x drinks at your spot?
Speaking of great date ideas, establishing a 0.03 percent Wall Street speculation fee, similar to what we had from 1914-1966, would dampen the dangerous level of speculation and gambling on Wall Street, encourage the financial sector to invest in the productive economy and reduce the deficit by more than $350 billion over 10 years. That would be a great date.
Macho Madness
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Washington Free Beacon is shite right?
If she wins you should have a foam party.
Elaugaufein
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Bernie , is that you ?
Macho Madness
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Mitchell/FOX 2 Detroit poll
Michigan
Clinton 60 (+4)
Sanders 27 (-1)
Trump 41
Kasich 11
Cruz 11
Rubio 10
Carson 7
Bush 5
Michigan
Clinton 60 (+4)
Sanders 27 (-1)
Trump 41
Kasich 11
Cruz 11
Rubio 10
Carson 7
Bush 5
look at their front page
Hillary Clinton Refuses to Clearly Say She Has Not Lied to American People
Clinton Gets Booed at Democratic Town Hall
Morning Joe Panel Blasts Clinton For Not Releasing Transcripts of Speeches at Financial Firms
Morning Joe Panel Dumbfounded Hillary Clinton Leaving Nevada Before End of the Caucus
Hillary Clinton Wants to Be a Cool Kid
Morning Joe Panel Calls Clinton Campaign a ‘Trainwreck’
Dead heat.
Veritigo_X
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lmao at that Onion thread. It's hilarious how salty Bernie fans can get over small stuff like that.
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