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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada

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Veritigo_X

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HylianTom said:
So Fox News has they'll be having a "voter summit" on Wednesday with the candidates, hosted by - who else? - Megyn Kelly.

Trump is skipping it. I wonder what his counter plan is.
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Apparently the summit was scheduled very last minute and Trump had another event he couldn't reschedule. Still kinda has that impression that he's skipping it because of their feud.

Megyn Kelly ‏@megynkelly
Trump's team is correct-we only scheduled this last-minute. They were very polite & we're happy we'll see him in MI.
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https://twitter.com/megynkelly/status/701925314625085441
 
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noshten

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CCS said:
The point is as soon as Corbyn became leader and the media focused on him his favourability cratered.
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I do enjoy your fear mongering equating Sanders to Corbyn, but the only reason he is unpopular is because his foreign policy is basically UKRonPaul2.0 with a bit more outrageous comments to back it up.
 
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sphagnum

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Diablos said:
Shocking.

Hillary will be worse when it comes to things like net neutrality. Not much we can do.
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This is the kind of shit I don't want to see. Like, this is exactly what I was worried would happen once Hillary secured the nomination. If you want Hillary to be progressive, make her be progressive. Don't get complacent or just accept things without putting up a fight.
 
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CCS

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Las7 said:
I do enjoy your fear mongering equating Sanders to Corbyn, but the only reason he is unpopular is because his foreign policy is basically UKRonPaul2.0 with a bit more outrageous comments to back it up.
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It's more than that, and it's silly to suggest it comes to down to that. Hell, I voted for Corbyn, and my god do I regret it. I don't want the American left to make the same mistake we did.
 
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Diablos

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sphagnum said:
This is the kind of shit I don't want to see. Like, this is exactly what I was worried would happen once Hillary secured the nomination. If you want Hillary to be progressive, make her be progressive. Don't get complacent or just accept things without putting up a fight.
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Obama was a gift when it came to net neutrality. But if even he supports TPP I don't see much hope for a legit desire for many democrats to really oppose it.
 
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HylianTom

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Sea Manky said:
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This is going to get a fair amount of use; their paths are going to cross more after he's the nominee and Fox News is forced to line-up behind him, lol..

Veritigo_X said:
Apparently the summit was scheduled very last minute and Trump had another event he couldn't reschedule. Still kinda has that impression that he's skipping it because of their feud.
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That makes much more sense now. I hope he'll try to get this event on TV as counter-programming. Or maybe he'll pull another icy hot Trumpy stunt and starve the others of media oxygen yet again.
 
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User 463088

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Ugh.

Kids. Don't do drugs. Even legally prescribed ones the shoot directly into your veins like you're a gosh-darn crackhead needing a fix.

Ugh.

However, I'm enjoying the polls ATM. I'd rather see a bigger lead in Texas. However, I think the lead is bigger, as Bernie isn't throwing any resources there. I would trust his internals more than a public poll. If we saw him divert resources there, then I think we could assume he's within 10 points or so. I still cannot believe he's basically given up on the south. If the numbers Hillary's people ran are right, and he's only got about $15million cash on hand, it makes sense. Of course, it illustrates how much of a problem he would have in the General, because of his refusal to have a PAC. He's not getting to the general anyway, but still.

Also, my hand still hurts.
 
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Bowdz

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For the anti-TPP crowd, it will probably get passed this year in the lame duck. Forget what someone says Hillary "probably" will support and remember that Obama REALLY wants this to pass in his term. That's the problem for the anti guys.
 
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Poodlestrike

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That reminds me, I still have very little idea what the hell the TPP actually is. Could somebody link me to a confirmed list of stuff? Would prefer a source with very little interpretation or slant, just a plaintext version of what we know for sure. A quick Google turns up a lot of single-issue sites that are called stuff like "Expose the TPP," which I'm going to guess are less than totally objective.
 
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noshten

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CCS said:
It's more than that, and it's silly to suggest it comes to down to that. Hell, I voted for Corbyn, and my god do I regret it. I don't want the American left to make the same mistake we did.
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I don't see what exactly is the mistake you are talking about, Labor is in the shitehole, have no chance of winning anything and it has been like this for a long time, long before Corbyn - it's no wonder that party is on it's knees. Corbyn is simply a reflection of how little chance you have to retake the UK, which has all come from electing center left leadership which has toed to the line.
I'd understand your shocking fear mongering if your party actually had a chance to do anything in the UK but that's not the case and electing Corbyn is simply just another illustration of how pissed off people are at Labor in the UK
 
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HylianTom

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For any issues where folks want to push Hillary (or any Democratic President really) leftward, I refer you to the tale where FDR tells an activist from his own party:

"I agree with you, now go out and make me do it.”

This is part of my problem with a top-down revolution. "Make me do it" doesn't come from the top - it comes from the people via their Congressional members. Where is that revolution?
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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Poodlestrike said:
That reminds me, I still have very little idea what the hell it actually is. Could somebody link me to a confirmed list of stuff? Would prefer a source with very little interpretation or slant, just a plaintext version of what we know for sure. A quick Google turns up a lot of single-issue sites that are called stuff like "Expose the TPP," which I'm going to guess are less than totally objective.
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This will be the most unfilter way to read about it:

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

But as far as coverage of it, since it is so business oriented, the right wing news outlets never cover it, and the left wing ones do every so often.

Its one of my most unfourtunant things that Obama supports, and I don't know why he doesn't just let the next president sign for it. 20 years after the fact, NAFTA is still used against people's legacy, and I'd bet alot that TPP is not going to be any better.
 
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CCS

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adam387 said:
Ugh.

Kids. Don't do drugs. Even legally prescribed ones the shoot directly into your veins like you're a gosh-darn crackhead needing a fix.

Ugh.

However, I'm enjoying the polls ATM. I'd rather see a bigger lead in Texas. However, I think the lead is bigger, as Bernie isn't throwing any resources there. I would trust his internals more than a public poll. If we saw him divert resources there, then I think we could assume he's within 10 points or so. I still cannot believe he's basically given up on the south. If the numbers Hillary's people ran are right, and he's only got about $15million cash on hand, it makes sense. Of course, it illustrates how much of a problem he would have in the General, because of his refusal to have a PAC. He's not getting to the general anyway, but still.

Also, my hand still hurts.
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Come back down from your high then? :p Have they sorted out your hand yet?

Also, those polls are beautiful.

Las7 said:
I don't see what exactly is the mistake you are talking about, Labor is in the shitehole, have no chance of winning anything and it has been like this for a long time, long before Corbyn - it's no wonder that party is on it's knees. Corbyn is simply a reflection of how little chance you have to retake the UK, which has all come from electing center left leadership which has toed to the line.
I'd understand your shocking fear mongering if your party actually had a chance to do anything in the UK but that's not the case and electing Corbyn is simply just another illustration of how pissed off people are at Labor in the UK
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The argument that people simply don't like Labour doesn't really explain it, given that Corbyn's personal favourability is a long way below where Miliband's was at this point, and if anything Labour should have been less popular back then than they are now.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Carson, speaking during a half-hour sit-down with POLITICO’s “Off Message” podcast as he waited for the results of Saturday’s South Carolina primary (he finished sixth out of six), laid out his views on racism – and his belief that his experience as poor black kid in 1960s Detroit represents the real experience of his people in way that Barack Obama could never understand.

“He’s an ‘African’ American. He was, you know, raised white,” said the world-renowned neurosurgeon, whose single mother worked three jobs – and occasionally relied on government aid – to elevate Carson and his older brother from the grinding poverty of ghetto life.

“I mean, like most Americans, I was proud that we broke the color barrier when he was elected, but … he didn’t grow up like I grew up … Many of his formative years were spent in Indonesia. So, for him to, you know, claim that, you know, he identifies with the experience of black Americans, I think, is a bit of a stretch.”

Carson also suggested that what passes for racism now – in the age of Ferguson and Freddie Gray – isn’t comparable to the overt discrimination he encountered a half-century ago as a young man.
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*Eye twitching*

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/ben-carson-obama-was-raised-white-219657
 
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Poodlestrike

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Ziltoidia 9 said:
This will be the most unfilter way to read about it:

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

But as far as coverage of it, since it is so business oriented, the right wing news outlets never cover it, and the left wing ones do every so often.

Its one of my most unfourtunant things that Obama supports, and I don't know why he doesn't just let the next president sign for it. 20 years after the fact, NAFTA is still used against people's legacy, and I'd bet alot that TPP is not going to be any better.
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I'm very pro free trade in general, so I break with the left on that one. It's a long term process that generally benefits the poorest partners first. I'm just wondering if there's something about TPP that makes it different from other free trade agreements, to gather such criticism.

I didn't know the full text was available, from the tone of the coverage I thought it was secret.
 
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noshten

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Ziltoidia 9 said:
This will be the most unfilter way to read about it:

https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text

But as far as coverage of it, since it is so business oriented, the right wing news outlets never cover it, and the left wing ones do every so often.

Its one of my most unfourtunant things that Obama supports, and I don't know why he doesn't just let the next president sign for it. 20 years after the fact, NAFTA is still used against people's legacy, and I'd bet alot that TPP is not going to be any better.
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No major media has been covering the TPP in any big way since Ed Schultz was shown the door. Most of the media is simply omitting any meaningful coverage.
 
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noshten

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CCS said:
The argument that people simply don't like Labour doesn't really explain it, given that Corbyn's personal favourability is a long way below where Miliband's was at this point, and if anything Labour should have been less popular back then than they are now.
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The argument is Labor is ded, and you have Corbyn who has an extreme version of Ron Paul's foreign policy views as your leader. If you are being purposefully obtuse to my original point please stop quoting me. Labor is not popular and it's isolationist socialist leader isn't popular either, perhaps if he had a more mannered foreign policy than disbanding NATO, comparing US to ISIS or disarming the army you might have some sort of semblance of a point.
 
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CCS

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Las7 said:
The argument is Labor is ded, and you have Corbyn who has an extreme version of Ron Paul's foreign policy views as your leader. If you are being purposefully obtuse to my original point please stop quoting me. Labor is not popular and it's isolationist socialist leader isn't popular either, perhaps if he had a more mannered foreign policy than disbanding NATO, comparing US to ISIS or disarming the army you might have some sort of semblance of a point.
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I don't see how I'm the one who's being purposefully obtuse. My point is that electing a leader with (relatively speaking) very left-wing political views has gone disastrously for the Labour party, so I fear it would do the same for the Democrats.
 
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noshten

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CCS said:
I don't see how I'm the one who's being purposefully obtuse. My point is that electing a leader with (relatively speaking) very left-wing political views has gone disastrously for the Labour party, so I fear it would do the same for the Democrats.
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Electing a leader who compares the US to ISIS is a disaster.
You have failed to bring up what socialist views Corbyn has that have sunk his favorables.
 
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CCS

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Las7 said:
Electing a leader who compares the US to ISIS is a disaster.
You have failed to bring up what socialist views Corbyn has that have sunk his favorables.
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Asked who they trust more to improve the economy, 40% of voters say the Conservatives, and only 23% say Labour. This 17-point lead is the Government’s greatest since Labour lost power more than five years ago.
On the deficit, the story is the same. The Conservative lead of 18 points (39% trust the Tories more, compared with 21% for Labour) is, once more, a post-2010 record.
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Source: YouGov.
 
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sphagnum

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HylianTom said:
For any issues where folks want to push Hillary (or any Democratic President really) leftward, I refer you to the tale where FDR tells an activist from his own party:

"I agree with you, now go out and make me do it.”

This is part of my problem with a top-down revolution. "Make me do it" doesn't come from the top - it comes from the people via their Congressional members. Where is that revolution?
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We have to make it. That's what Bernie is/was trying to do, but clearly his voter base isn't enough. We need the Hillary supporters to - especially minority voters since they have so much representation in her base and therefore a lot of sway.

That's why I am pleading with Hillary supporters to not accept her faults. I know there are some Hillary supporters who are simply much more centrist but there are plenty who are supporting her more for strategic voting purposes because of the electability argument but who otherwise would have supported someone more left like Bernie. We need to continue to agitate, protest, do whatever to force her to commit to ever more progressive stances, because she is someone who "pleads guilty" to being "kind of moderate".

And outside of that, we need to work on rebuilding the labor movement since without strong unions who don't simply roll over for whatever the Democratic Party wants, the Dems have no real reason move leftwards on economics.
 
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User 463088

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CCS said:
Come back down from your high then? :p Have they sorted out your hand yet?

Also, those polls are beautiful.
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Unfortunately not. They gave me a ton of meds through IV, and then sent me home with a larger dose of steroids. I have to have a consult with the surgeon by the end of the week. However, my sister doesn't like the one they recommended, so I have to wait for her to see when I can get in with the one she likes. Still hurts like a bitch, but I can sorta feel my ring finger now. My pinkie is still dead as all hell. Swelling's way down though.

Thanks for asking! :)
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Poodlestrike said:
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Okay, so I'm, like, not what you'd call super on top of British politics.

But what kind of Western elected official goes on Russia Today period?
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"Thanks to the super far left Jeremy Corbyn for his time. Next up, why gay people are abominations who are lying about getting beaten in the street but would deserve it if true."

Left leaning people that align with Russia are dumb fuckers.
 
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CCS

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adam387 said:
Unfortunately not. They gave me a ton of meds through IV, and then sent me home with a larger dose of steroids. I have to have a consult with the surgeon by the end of the week. However, my sister doesn't like the one they recommended, so I have to wait for her to see when I can get in with the one she likes. Still hurts like a bitch, but I can sorta feel my ring finger now. My pinkie is still dead as all hell. Swelling's way down though.

Thanks for asking! :)
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Glad the swelling's down at least, hopefully you can get to see the surgeon soon! :)

So what you're saying is your hand is now more alive than Sander's campaign?
 
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Diablos

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Bernie should take his energy and use it to mount a left wing midterm election drive. Seriously. That could really pay off for Democrats and this country. He's the best one suited for it imo
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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University of Houston faculty being advised to avoid "Triggering" material.

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And by this, I mean they actively encouraged to censor material and limit teaching time so to give the gun nuts who are now armed on campus less reason to shoot people.

I wonder if this development will show up in the "colleges have their free speech stifled!" comments from Republicans? lol
 
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noshten

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CCS said:
Source: YouGov.
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You've once again failed to outline his socialist plans. You've just provided polling data.
I'm not familiar with his position or platform so please do expand on his policies so I can see what exactly is the narrative of equating him to Sanders.
 
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User 463088

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CCS said:
Glad the swelling's down at least, hopefully you can get to see the surgeon soon! :)

So what you're saying is your hand is now more alive than Sander's campaign?
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It is definitely. :D

Yay, I can chill with you all and watch NV come in. I get off work at 11:00pm EST. I missed yesterday, so I have to make it up this weekend. Ugh. But at least I can watch the results.
 
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sphagnum

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Diablos said:
Bernie should take his energy and use it to mount a left wing midterm election drive. Seriously. That could really pay off for Democrats and this country. He's the best one suited for it imo
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Yeah, that seems like the best option. Especially if they could get Obama in on it too.

Obama/Bernie cross-country midterm campaign trip.
 
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CCS

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Las7 said:
You've once again failed to outline his socialist plans. You've just provided polling data.
I'm not familiar with his position or platform so please do expand on his policies so I can see what exactly is the narrative of equating him to Sanders.
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Key Policies:

Crack down on tax avoidance - Everyone says they will, not particularly controversial or new.

People's QE - investment funded by printing money

Re-nationalisation of certain utilities, the rail networks and so on.

It's kind of pointless to directly compare policies though, since the UK is more left wing than the US.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Also note: teachers cannot forbid firearms in class, or even ask who is carrying one. School fined $10k for violations.
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....... Yeah, having that information about who has murder weapons on their person is just harming their second amendment rights too much.
 
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