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Alright PoliGAF, riddle me this.

Is there a reason why the US is at odds with the rest of the world in terms of the political colors?

I come at this from a Canadian Perspective, where "Red" always meant "Liberal", and "Blue" always meant "Conservative". And from what I gather worldwide most countries follow a similar color scheme.

Why exactly is the US the opposite?

Why are Republicans red and Democrats blue?

In 1976, NBC debuted its first election map on the air, with bulbs that turned red for Carter-won states (Democratic), and blue for Ford (Republican). This original color scheme was based on Great Britain's political system, which used red to denote the more liberal party. However, other stations used different colors and designations for a variety of ideological and aesthetic reasons, which often differed from person to person.

The color coding we're familiar with today didn't stick until the iconic (and extremely lengthy) election of 2000, when The New York Times and USA Today published their first full-color election maps. The Times spread used red for Republicans because "red begins with r, Republican begins with r," said the senior graphics editor Archie Tse, "it was a more natural association." The election, which didn't end until mid-December, firmly established Democrats as the blue party and Republicans as the red — denotations which will likely hold fast for some time to come.

 

[Diablos]

Alright PoliGAF, riddle me this.

Is there a reason why the US is at odds with the rest of the world in terms of the political colors?

I come at this from a Canadian Perspective, where "Red" always meant "Liberal", and "Blue" always meant "Conservative". And from what I gather worldwide most countries follow a similar color scheme.

Why exactly is the US the opposite?

Because we've gotta be special! American exceptionalism!
We still use the Imperial system for fuck's sake...

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Alright PoliGAF, riddle me this.

Is there a reason why the US is at odds with the rest of the world in terms of the political colors?

I come at this from a Canadian Perspective, where "Red" always meant "Liberal", and "Blue" always meant "Conservative". And from what I gather worldwide most countries follow a similar color scheme.

Why exactly is the US the opposite?

It used to depend on the network and the parties had no official colors but after the Bush v Gore election mess pundits kept referring to red and blue states during the whole thing and it stuck.

 

[Revolver]

Lol glenn beck in MTP, why? This asshole is one of those reaponsible for this political climate. He was Trump before Trump.

Now he wants everyone to think that hes some sort of virtuous independent.

"" I was warning everyone about the rise of the uber right" yea dick wad because you were part of it, you dumb ass top 40 DJ

Yeah he was right about the thing he fed, nurtured and got rich off of for years. It's so ridiculous how he's trying to make himself out to be some above it all man of conscience.

I'm still giggling over Rudy's defense about his past.

Chuck Todd: But you have a history of infidelity
Rudy Giuliani: Everybody does.

Umm, how about no?

 

[Plinko]

Yeah he was right about the thing he fed, nurtured and got rich off of for years. It's so ridiculous how he's trying to make himself out to be some above it all man of conscience.

I'm still giggling over Rudy's defense about his past.

Chuck Todd: But you have a history of infidelity
Rudy Giuliani: Everybody does.

Umm, how about no?

Yeah, no, Rudy. Everybody does not.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Roy Blunt's internal polling only shows him ahead by 1 point, it seems.

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/642751?unlock=RDS0E7DZIH95VNZR&mref=homepage-free

 

[Bowdz]

Roy Blunt's internal polling only shows him ahead by 1 point, it seems.

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/642751?unlock=RDS0E7DZIH95VNZR&mref=homepage-free

Come on Kander!

 

[Plinko]

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp 14m14 minutes ago

Donald Trump randomly accused Hillary Clinton of cheating on Bill last night.

I mean, it just happened. And we largely moved on

I agree with this. How does America just move on from this like nothing?

 

[NeoXChaos]

Come on Kander!

Crazy if we can't defeat Rubio or Portman but beat Burr and Blunt.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I agree with this. How does America just move on from this like nothing?

Probably because it happened at a rally and not a big publicized event like a debate.

 

[RustyNails]

Crazy if we can't defeat Rubio or Portman but beat Burr and Blunt.

Rubio needs to go down.

 

[Diablos]

Trump says so much shit, you can only make a story out of so many things.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Rubio needs to go down.

Murphy hasnt been up in one poll since Rubio got in.

 

[thebloo]

I take it you missed the first Trump OT from benji

TRUMP 2016: "The Winston Churchill of Our Time"

Thread is amusing in retrospect. And sad.

 

[RustyNails]

Murphy hasnt been up in one poll since Rubio got in.

I believe in florida ground game.

 

[DrForester]

Watched the SNL debate skit.

Kate McKinnon has amazing reaction faces.

 

[Kusagari]

I believe in florida ground game.

Enough Cubans split ticket and Rube survives.

 

[Diablos]

So Hillary is off on Wednesday when Roger Stone says something is going to drop on Wikileaks or whatever.

Hmm

 

[Spoiled Milk]

 

[shadowsdarknes]

So in what way does this reflect reality at all?

Does Trump attacking Machado telling us to check out her sex tape not count?
Trump had a chance to ignore the story, but instead he went on the offense.

In what world does Trump want to only focus on jobs and the economy?
Is it when he held a conference about the birther movement?

Is it when he accused Hillary of cheating on Bill?
It it when he attacked the Khan Family?
Is it when he re-attacked Rosie O'Donnell?

The new narrative Trump and his campaign are projecting is that Clinton doesn't want to talk about the issues and that she has no real policy ideas.

This style of campaign mudslinging is Trump's bread and butter. He thrives in an environment of name calling and hyperbole. He doesn't thrive in an environment based around ideas and policy. Clinton holds her own, but her campaign would rather talk about issues. She wants to govern.

 

[Grief.exe]

So in what way does this reflect reality at all?

That comic would greatly reflect reality if Trump was in the mud wrestling with Alicia and Hillary was on the way to the white House with the economy, jobs, and every other policy Trump has failed to characterize.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

McKinnon's facial reactions are on par with early Jim Carey, she really is great.

 

[Plinko]

LOL at Trump carrying the "economy and jobs" briefcase when he had zero plans for anything at the debate.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I like how they drew Alicia as overweight

 

[Finale Fireworker]

They saw the Hair Mouse.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Is it when he held a conference about the birther movement?

WRONG. That was a veteran meet-cute and hotel extravaganza.

 

[Fuchsdh]

So in what way does this reflect reality at all?



Does Trump attacking Machado telling us to check out her sex tape not count?
Trump had a chance to ignore the story, but instead he went on the offense.

In what world does Trump want to only focus on jobs and the economy?
Is it when he held a conference about the birther movement?

Is it when he accused Hillary of cheating on Bill?
It it when he attacked the Khan Family?
Is it when he re-attacked Rosie O'Donnell?

The new narrative Trump and his campaign are projecting is that Clinton doesn't want to talk about the issues and that she has no real policy ideas.

This style of campaign mudslinging is Trump's bread and butter. He thrives in an environment of name calling and hyperbole. He doesn't thrive in an environment based around ideas and policy. Clinton holds her own, but her campaign would rather talk about issues. She wants to govern.

Even if you take the cartoon as representational of the truth... they're admitting their candidate can't take the high road and can be baited that easily. So they've still shown Trump is an idiot.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Even if you take the cartoon as representational of the truth... they're admitting their candidate can't take the high road and can be baited that easily. So they've still shown Trump is an idiot.

Well no, because it seems more like he's just going about his business and ignoring Hillary. Even though he clearly isn't.

It must take a special kind of delusion to assume Trump's in the driver's seat when he's polling at 40% on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Plinko]

Nate Silver is "Dead Heating" again, stating that the New Mexico poll with Gary Johnosn so high means the map with an Electoral College deadlock is "plausible."

Of course, that is with Trump winning every single swing state and Gary Johnson winning New Mexico.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Nate Silver is "Dead Heating" again, stating that the New Mexico poll with Gary Johnosn so high means the map with an Electoral College deadlock is "plausible."

Of course, that is with Trump winning every single swing state and Gary Johnson winning New Mexico.

I understand now why Nate's model gets really freaky about outliers

Because Nate does too!

His libertarian ideology might be clouding his mind here, he wants to believe Johnson could win a House election.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Those NM numbers won't hold in the end.

 

[Bowdz]

Those NM numbers won't hold in the end.

Agreed, but even if they did, she'd win!

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Sam Wang said it best, "He's listening to noise and not the signal."

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I think that UPI/CVOTER poll has gone in the opposite direction of every polling trend since the conventions, that's kind of impressive but no surprise given how stupid the methodology is.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Why have there been almost so few national polls since the debate?

 

[Plinko]

Why have there been almost so few national polls since the debate?

Because they are pointless at this time.

 

[NeoXChaos]

A lot of the polling is noise. Too many undecideds and Hillary or Trump mired in the 30's-40's. Someones's going to have to get to 50%.

Later October will hopefully be the time.

 

[gutter_trash]

I understand now why Nate's model gets really freaky about outliers

Because Nate does too!

His libertarian ideology might be clouding his mind here, he wants to believe Johnson could win a House election.

Nate tries too hard to make elections seem like sport, using lots of Basketball and Football analogies such as : "chances of Hillary losing is the same as missing a field goal kick" crap like that or ".... missing a Free Throw"

Nate Silver at end if the day is an ESPN employee

 

[Mac_Lane]

Nate tries too hard to make elections seem like sport, using lots of Basketball and Football analogies such as : "chances of Hillary losing is the same as missing a field goal kick" crap like that or ".... missing a Free Throw"

Nate Silver at end if the day is an ESPN employee

Actually, it's the New York Times' Upshot which does that :

The Upshot’s elections model suggests that Hillary Clinton is favored to win the presidency, based on the latest state and national polls. A victory by Mr. Trump remains quite possible: Mrs. Clinton’s chance of losing is about the same as the probability that an N.F.L. kicker misses a 44-yard field goal.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

I'm really happy to see Hillary up in New Mexico. This is the second one that has us ahead, right?

Do we think it will hold? Or improve, even?

 

[Aaron Strife]

I'm really happy to see Hillary up in New Mexico. This is the second one that has us ahead, right?

Do we think it will hold? Or improve, even?

It will probably improve, if anything. New Mexico has become fairly safe Democratic after voting Bush in 04.

 

[phisheep]

So in what way does this reflect reality at all?

Simple.

Trump threw Alicia in the mud, Hillary dived in to rescue her, Trump stole Hillary's briefcase and is sneaking away backwards hoping to escape with Hillary's policies to replace his own soiled ones.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I'm really happy to see Hillary up in New Mexico. This is the second one that has us ahead, right?

Do we think it will hold? Or improve, even?

New Mexico is a democratic state. There is no question about this.

 

[NeoXChaos]

.@brianstelter asks Susanne Craig if the NY Times is sitting on more Trump tax documents. She replies: "No comment"

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[SexyFish]

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MY DICK IS HARD

 

[BanGy.nz]

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Drip.
Drip.
Drip.

 

[Vestal]

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[RustyNails]

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Called it last night. She has it.

 

[faisal233]

Nate Silver is "Dead Heating" again, stating that the New Mexico poll with Gary Johnosn so high means the map with an Electoral College deadlock is "plausible."

Of course, that is with Trump winning every single swing state and Gary Johnson winning New Mexico.

I think you are reading what you want out of that article.

But plausible is a long way from likely. It’s not far-fetched to think the Electoral College would be close enough that New Mexico would make the difference, and it’s not totally crazy to think that Johnson could win his home state. But for both to occur together is quite a parlay.1 In 20,000 simulations of our polls-only model this morning, cases in which neither Clinton or Trump received a majority of electoral votes and Johnson received at least one came up just 30 times, putting the chances at 0.15 percent. Most of those did involve Johnson winning New Mexico, sometimes along with Alaska (probably his second-best state).

A somewhat more common deadlock scenario is if Trump and Clinton each get 269 electoral votes without Johnson getting any. The chances of that are about 0.4 percent.

The consensus in poligaf that Nate's model has turned into shit this election (the model only gets scrutiny in neogaf when hillary is down) is usually backed by this kind of cherry picking.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I wanna kick Rudy Giuliani's ass. I can't help it.