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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic
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neurosisxeno
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It has to be intentional that most of the pro-Trump pundits I see are women. Also that most of them look completely unconvinced with the things they say.
Part of me thinks they won't be able to grow a spine and go with what I described above as c. Pretending it never happened.
This not only exposes Trump for the scumbag he really is but really highlights how the GOP is so fucking weak as a party and really doesn't deserve to have a strong governing presence. Gerrymandering, racism, sexism, xenophobia and extreme religious values are propping up this corpse of a party that has no place in today's society. They're struggling with this so hard not only because of Trump but once again, 8 fucking years later they CANNOT face the harsh reality of what they have become and refuse to change.
ArkhamFantasy
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Don Lemon brought that up last night
Lemon: "I see some women here, their mouth says one thing, but their face says another" or something to that effect. I've gained alot of respect for Don the last couple of weeks.
plagiarize
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Polls only pretty map
GIVE US AZ. WE WANTS IT.
nature boy
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Folks, SUPREME COURT. SO IMPORTANT.
I don't think there's going to be a 3rd debate at the rate things are going. It's also in Nevahhhhhda.
I don't think there's going to be a 3rd debate at the rate things are going. It's also in Nevahhhhhda.
benjipwns
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How and what should they change?
Remember, the goal is to increase their share of the voters.
The answer is in the same transcript, public position and private position, political expediency.
I don't see how he can avoid it. It will be an instant loss.
plagiarize
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They need to stop appealing to the shrinking group of people at 20% and falling of the likely voters that fit into the basket of deplorables. So long as they clearly cater to them, they aren't going to win the presidency... and in a couple of election cycles they won't even be able to hold onto the house.
That's what they need to change.
This doesn't lose him any deplorables. But it's on tape and totally unspinnable so there's no way for people in the middle or for the media to pretend like this is just him not being a polished politician. There's no "maybe he really meant..." or "he's playing a character" or "he's got to protect his business".
Yeah, people who already hated Trump didn't find this surprising. But lots of the people who don't hate Trump don't hate him just because they didn't quite believe that he was like this, and so it helps that this is really in-your-whatever.
Avoid being so obstructionist. Stop looking the other way which allows for the tea party to hijack a huge chunk of their party. Embrace common sense immigration reform. Be a lot more quick to denounce and write off someone like Trump and other extreme voices in the party. Stop whining about social issues like gay marriage. Those would be good places to start.
plagiarize
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I think he will likely recognize that a third drubbing, and another set of new talking points he blindly wandered into and helped launch, giving the Clinton campaign even more things to hit him on, will be more damaging than just skipping the debate.
If he's remotely self aware by then he should know he's lost this thing. So why show up to lose another battle when he's lost the war. Just start complaining about how it's all rigged so he's not playing any more. Operation save face should be in full force by then. And it'll be about trying not to lose in a blow out, so he can say 'I almost won!' or 'I did so much better than they said I would!' or whatever.
It's going to be really interesting to see just how delusional he is when it comes to this.
nature boy
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He's already losing, and this tape makes only makes him lose any establishment support (even the tactical support) plus depresses the shit out of his base.
And this wasn't a big payload. I'm expecting a Tsar bomb payload to be released.
So why even show up? This is going beyond politics and hurting his brand. At what point does he say "that's it"?
BenjaminBirdie
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I think the most beautiful part of his calamitous destruction as far as his business goes is that the only people left supporting him can not afford to frequent or support his business enterprises. No one will buy space in his buildings. No one will play golf on his courses. It's amazing.
He will likely rebrand his holdings with a new name, which will truly be the perfect and final nail. One way or another, the Trump brand is dead.
He will likely rebrand his holdings with a new name, which will truly be the perfect and final nail. One way or another, the Trump brand is dead.
The Lamonster
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So is it possible for Pence to move to the top of the ticket as Huntsman suggests?
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benjipwns
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You're basically just arguing that they should become the Democratic Party. But there already is a Democratic Party and Republican voters, for whatever their individual reasons, don't want it.
In three of these cases you're arguing they should not just write off, but even more actively oppose their largest source of funding, activists, ground ops, etc.
User 463088
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Also, let's all be honest about something.
The GOP and the media is all over this because he said it about a white woman.
The GOP and the media is all over this because he said it about a white woman.
BenjaminBirdie
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And it will be even MORE WATCHED now than the first!!!
Finale Fireworker
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Remember when both parties were going to come together to catch Joseph Kony.
We have lost our way.
We have lost our way.
balladofwindfishes
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Aw man, my reddit account got cracked and I don't have access to the email I used to register it.
Oh well. Now I gotta work up my Internet points again. Also one post every 5 minutes, jesus this is going to be annoying.
I blame Trump
Oh well. Now I gotta work up my Internet points again. Also one post every 5 minutes, jesus this is going to be annoying.
I blame Trump
I think he has the possibility of hurting with his base though. When W was revealed to have a decade old DUI, it cost him a percentage point. I think this stuff is gonna depress lifelong conservative turnout, for sure.
User 463088
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No, it is not. Trump would have to quit, to begin with. Then the GOP would have to reconvene the RNC and nominate Pence. The statutory ballot deadline in most states has already passed. Pence would not be on the ballot in Florida, Ohio, Virginia or North Carolina. Trump would still be. All of these states also have laws against faithless electors. So, when the electoral college meets, they couldn't cast their Presidential vote for Pence.
There is, literally, nothing they can do. Trump is the nominee. Period Hands down.
If they would abandon the social issue fight they are having and focused on the financial part (cut taxes etc). I would say they would have a good shot of winning over many in the middle. Not as extreme as the libertarian party but basically a more moderate conservative
yeah but the base picked a guy whose signature issue was banning brown people from the country
Republicans will not win a national election until racism is not their major policy issue! They're so weird.
BenjaminBirdie
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More gold, the Dole style ads will start rolling out (no blank check, etc) which will make him more mad and more crazy and do more damage.
Remember in Coming To America when you see the two rich guys from Trading Places again?
Yeah.
His brand is all about winning. And no one in the history of mankind has lost as big or as grotesquely as this.
"Nature, it seems, is not without a sense of humor."
Yup. Bouie had a great twitter thread about this. Say a year's worth of stuff about minorities, fine. But get caught attacking our white daughters and mothers and you've gone too far!
Oh I agree. They just need to ignore that rabid tea party base. My guess is the tea party voters would still vote for a republican even if moderate the problem is the moderates don't seem to care to vote in the primaries
Well damn, Rivera going all in to tear apart Trump, calling him a "subway groper" while Tucker insists her remarks on wanting unfettered free trade (a good thing IMO) is worse and would destroy America. The Wikileaks reveal is a load of fucking nothing and has all the momentum of a North Korean rocket launch. Spare a thought for Assange today, his last ditch attempt to get his pal Trump the presidency fell flat. Lovely.
benjipwns
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Those are toothless.
The real key here is that it only matters if Trump wins. If the GOP ticket loses, it doesn't matter who was on it. It doesn't even matter if none of the electors vote for it, because it lost.
This scenario only matters if Trump agrees to drop out and this somehow propels the GOP to victory and Trump then doesn't reign on the deal after he's won the election.
No sir I did not. I don't see me saying they should advocate for a public option, higher taxes on the wealthy, free college etc.
Immigration reform is something Bush wanted to do even. There's enough bipartisanship to make it happen if the House and Senate leadership would just grow a spine.
And not being racist/xenophobic/sexist etc. shouldn't just be a Democratic value.
Republicans could win over a lot of people in the middle if they weren't so extreme. They could still be conservative on many issues.
Finale Fireworker
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So after the White House, the Senate, and the SC, what is the next feasible liberal acquisition and how do Democrats get it?
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Man its amazing looking at how much the charts on Predictit have changed over the past three days on most of the bets.
Manmademan
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The house is in play if Hillary manages a victory of +7-8 nationally or above.
....It's looking like she might get there.
ArkhamFantasy
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There has been something bad happening for Trump pretty much every day since the debate.
1.Crushed by Hillary
2.Machado video
3.Doubling down on Fox news calling machado fat
4.The cuba trading
5.Doesnt pay federal taxes
6.Lost a billion dollars in 1 year
7.Buys chinese steel
8.Brags about not paying federal taxes
9.Now this
Groveling Ted picked a great time to endorse him.
Downballot voting will save the GOP. But I do think Dems are getting back the Senate for two years.
Link
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It already feels like all that other stuff was a million years ago.
benjipwns
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But these aren't the positions of the Democratic Party either.
Except the base opposes it with the fury of a thousand suns which is why Donald Trump is their nominee this year.
Here's the thing, you're still not saying anything of specifics that can be used to change the party. It's already only held together on an agreement on "cut taxes" being supported.
You can't actively oppose off half or more of the party and somehow not completely fade away.
If they become more socially liberal they don't pick up votes, because those people are already voting for the Democrats, and won't trust Republicans. Meanwhile, the Republicans lose the social conservatives.
What positions would a "moderate" Republican even hold rhetorically and where would they get support from?
djplaeskool
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I know I'm LLTP on this, but I just watched that Ana Navarro video and goddamn...
Manmademan
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That only works if Republicans show up to polls.
The Trumptape business as well as the no doubt 20-ish other scandals and disastrous debates that will hit over the next month will depress republican turnout, while spiking democratic turnout.
The downballot doesn't drive people to polls. the top of the ticket does.
benjipwns
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Ticket splitters.
Timesplitters 2: GOTY Edition.
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