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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic

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kevin1025

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I very well could be wrong, but I believe the Baldwin deal was for five appearances, so it would only be two episodes he misses, since you know they're going to give him a concession speech opener after the election.
 
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redpotato4

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I was planning on going out tonight, but drinking and seeing this thing unfold at home is so much better. I just wish I had cable so that I could watch CNN as well.
 
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Grief.exe

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redpotato4 said:
I was planning on going out tonight, but drinking and seeing this thing unfold at home is so much better. I just wish I had cable so that I could watch CNN as well.
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I actually use my parents' cable log in for CNN, but YouTube live is streaming Fox News and CNN 24/7.
 
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Strimei

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kevin1025 said:
How does everyone see the debate playing out?
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I can't even begin to fathom it, really, except that Trump's going to interrupt more, bring up Bill, probably yell at an audience member (or the whole audience), yell/interrupt Cooper, maybe get up in Hillary's face.
 
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phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Pixieking said:
Couple of things:

1) How possible is it they replace Trump? If he were willing, how much would it shift the race? Is it even do-able?
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The only possibility now is for Trump to commit to stand down immediately after inauguration. There is probably nobody left now who would believe Trump even if he did make such a commitment, and even if he did commit and follow through with it he would still, even if only for 15 minutes, be President - and insist on being called "Mr President" ever after, which is exactly what he wants...

...and exactly what nobody sane wants. So it's not going to happen. It won't shift the race.
 
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Tranqueris

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Slayven said:
Good question. Town Hall format, Rocked by a HUGE scandal, party is hanging him out to dry, being donald trump.

Dude is coming in with the deck stacked against him.
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I feel like there has to be one moment during the debate where he lets all his resentment out. Resentment against Hillary for beating him, against the voters in the audience (probably), against the Republicans renouncing him and pulling their endorsements.
 
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DrForester

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kevin1025 said:
How does everyone see the debate playing out?
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Trump interrupts Clinton every time she tries to talk. He regurgitates things about emails and Benghazi. He saves his attack on bill for the end of the debate, in hopes of hitting Clinton with a "surprise" at the end like she did with Machado.

And all Clinton needs to do is say something along the lines of, "Donald, I know you don't respect women, and you wish you were debating my Husband and not me. But you need to accept that I am your opponent, not my Husband."
 
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greatgeek

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kevin1025 said:
How does everyone see the debate playing out?
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Slayven

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Tranqueris said:
I feel like there has to be one moment during the debate where he lets out all his resentment out. Resentment against Hillary for beating him, against the voters in the audience (probably), against the Republicans renouncing him and pulling their endorsements.
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I think it will be "Bill this, Bill that"

And we all know how women loved to be blamed for their husband's problems.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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Wilsongt said:
Has someone called Sean Hannity yet?
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There was a lot of really memorable stuff from the first debate, but what really stuck out to me was this part. Trump was legitimately begging anyone to tag in and take over. Anyone at all. It had the same vibe as a person getting escorted away from a club when their friend left them outside.

He deserves it of course, but it was some of the most pathetic political theater I've ever seen.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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My long shot bet is that at some point, after interrupting Hillary so much, one of the questioners actually snaps "Let her talk!" or something to that effect. Would really get a lot of play, and would probably result in some applause (which isn't allowed, but damned if you can stop it if it's the whole crowd).
 
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kevin1025

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Strimei said:
I can't even begin to fathom it, really, except that Trump's going to interrupt more, bring up Bill, probably yell at an audience member (or the whole audience), yell/interrupt Cooper, maybe get up in Hillary's face.
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Slayven said:
Good question. Town Hall format, Rocked by a HUGE scandal, party is hanging him out to dry, being donald trump.

Dude is coming in with the deck stacked against him.
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eBay Huckster said:
The only way Trump doesn't get destroyed is if Clinton doesn't even show up.

(And even then I'm not too sure!)
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HTupolev said:
Hillary will have a well-prepared response for when Desperate Donald accuses her of enabling her husband.
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DrForester said:
Trump interrupts Clinton every time she tries to talk. He regurgitates things about emails and Benghazi. He saves his attack on bill for the end of the debate, in hopes of hitting Clinton with a "surprise" at the end like she did with Machado.

And all Clinton needs to do is say something along the lines of, "Donald, I know you don't respect women, and you wish you were debating my Husband and not me. But you need to accept that I am your opponent, not my Husband."
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SexyFish said:
I think we see more Republicans withdrawing support tomorrow and he ultimately doesn't show up for the debate.
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Cerium said:
Trump spends 90 minutes talking angrily about Bill's affairs.
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greatgeek said:
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Haha, sounds about right.

And again he won't do real debate prep. Tomorrow's prep story statement is actually going to be a monster scolding session from Priebus, I'm sure.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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I have finally found a Tankie candidate for president hardcore enough to support Duterte AND North Korea:

http://www.workers.org/wwp/our-campaign-candidates/

Moorehead has represented Workers World Party on many international solidarity trips including South Africa, Iraq, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, South Korea, Puerto Rico, Hawai’i, France the Dominican Republic and the Philippines.

From the movements against racism, police killings and mass incarceration; to the struggle against imperialist war and neocolonialism; to solidarity with Cuba, Palestine, Zimbabwe, the Philippines, the DPRK, and all peoples struggling for self-determination and sovereignty; to the struggles for women’s and LGBTQ liberation; to battles for union rights, disability rights, environmental justice—from local struggles to international movements, Monica Moorehead has devoted her entire life to the great cause of building a better world.
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Watch the fucking throne.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Ithil said:
"Trump doesn't really have solutions, and his supporters don't really have problems. The only thing poor about them is their judgement"

Ouch.
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My favorite line.

Fuck this idea that Trump has tapped into some sort of pervasive white predominantly male economic anxiety thing.
 
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Vyse24

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Strimei said:
I can't even begin to fathom it, really, except that Trump's going to interrupt more, bring up Bill, probably yell at an audience member (or the whole audience), yell/interrupt Cooper, maybe get up in Hillary's face.
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And somehow, the right-wing media will spin this as Trump winning the debate, no questions asked.
 
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DrForester

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SexyFish said:
I think we see more Republicans withdrawing support tomorrow and he ultimately doesn't show up for the debate.
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I think him not showing up to the debate is just a pipe dream. And I don't think we'll see mass Republican abandonment until Monday, after they see how he does in the debate
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Man, these guys have a nice website for calling for genocide and dictatorship:

Election of Duterte

This year, the Philippine presidential elections in May caused tremors in the capitalist world, especially in the U.S. The winner, Rodrigo Duterte, a “shoot from the hip” populist, describes himself as “the first president of the left.” (The Guardian, May 10) U.S. imperialism regards him as an unknown quantity, especially after a record voter turnout of more than 80 percent of Filipinos.

What is critical to the U.S. military is the “Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement,” signed in 2014 with the previous Philippine government. After years of mass opposition, the Pentagon was forced to evacuate its bases in the Philippines in 1991. The EDCA allowed the U.S. to use its former military bases as staging areas, consistent with the “Pivot to Asia” of the current Obama administration.

Duterte, however, has voiced opposition to the EDCA, as well as the “visiting forces” agreement regarding U.S. military cooperation with the Philippines.

Professor Jose Maria Sison, chairperson of the International League of Peoples Struggle and political consultant of the National Democratic Front of the Philippines, said the following about the recent elections:

“Apparently foreign monopoly interests and the local oligarchy of big compradors and landlords have advised the Aquino government that it was a better choice to desist from electoral fraud and avoid the risk of widespread and uncontrollable civil strife. They are confident that the Duterte presidency would still be financially and politically manageable by using as a lever the underdevelopment and poverty of the Philippines and the huge foreign debt and total public debt of the Philippines, amounting to more than U.S. $77 billion and Php 164 trillion respectively. …

“The CPP has challenged Duterte to assert the national sovereignty of the Filipino people and defend the territorial integrity of the Philippines, to let the toiling masses of workers and peasants empower themselves against the oligarchs, to develop the Philippine economy through national industrialization and genuine land reform, to promote a patriotic and progressive culture, expand the public school system, and foster international solidarity for peace and development.”
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http://www.workers.org/2016/05/27/philippine-election-and-u-s-imperialism/#.V_iRgOArLIV

Most websites I've seen that call for genocide and dictatorship look like total garbage, this one is pretty slick honestly.

The capitalist media also went overtime on the sexist remark made by Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte towards President Barack Obama. This was particularly unfortunate, since it allowed racists to ridicule the only Black president in U.S. history. Duterte later apologized.

President Duterte’s popularity in his country is based on being the first Philippine leader in a century to refuse to bow down to U.S. imperialism. Duterte has resumed peace talks with the leftist National Democratic Front and has demanded that U.S. Special Forces leave Mindanao province.

Duterte has also released from prison liberation fighters Benito Tiamzon and Wilma Tiamzon, the alleged military leaders of the New People’s Army. The NPA has declared a cease-fire. The two released prisoners have joined the peace talks being conducted with the Philippine military in Europe.

None of these actions is to the liking of the brass hats in the Pentagon.

African Americans and Filipinos share a common heritage of being victims of racist mass murder. After the U.S. declared war on Spain in 1898, the McKinley administration urged Philippine independence leader Emilio Aguinaldo to return to the Philippines, then a Spanish colony. Philippine freedom fighters soon defeated the Spanish colonial army and surrounded Manila.

President McKinley double-crossed Aguinaldo and declared the Philippines a U.S. colony. One million Filipinos were killed by U.S. Army massacres and disease. Gen. Jacob Smith declared, “I want no prisoners, I wish you to kill and burn: the more you kill and burn, the better you will please me.”

These massacres went hand-in-hand with at least a hundred African Americans being lynched annually in the early 1900s. The favorite term of U.S. racists for Filipinos was “n——r.” (U.S. War Crimes in the Philippines, worldfuturefund.org)

McKinley’s double-cross of Filipinos was like the betrayal of African Americans in 1877, when President Rutherford Hayes ended Reconstruction and returned the South to racist rule.

During the 1898 war, David Fagen was one of the Black GIs who went over to fight for Philippine freedom. U.S. officers put a price of $800 on the African American’s head and some reports say he was executed, although others say he escaped. (“The Philippine War — A Conflict of Conscience for African Americans,” National Park Service, 2016)

Long live the unity of African-American and Philippine freedom fighters. Black and Filipino lives matter!
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http://www.workers.org/2016/09/16/why-did-obama-visit-asia/#.V_iSJ-ArLIU
 
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CygnusXS

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DrForester said:
Trump interrupts Clinton every time she tries to talk. He regurgitates things about emails and Benghazi. He saves his attack on bill for the end of the debate, in hopes of hitting Clinton with a "surprise" at the end like she did with Machado.

And all Clinton needs to do is say something along the lines of, "Donald, I know you don't respect women, and you wish you were debating my Husband and not me. But you need to accept that I am your opponent, not my Husband."
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I like it but I'd probably shorten it down to just, "Donald, which Clinton do you think you're running against?"
 
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Vahagn

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CygnusXS said:
I like it but I'd probably shorten it down to just, "Donald, which Clinton do you think you're running against?"
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That's not the correct answer. The correct answer is something to effect of
"Donald, you're a misogynist. And it's completely in character for someone like you to criticize a woman for her husband's mistakes. I don't criticize your lovely wife for the fact that you assaulted and raped your first wife, that you were charged with raping a 13 year old girl. And it's so predictable that you'd defend your lifetime of sexual assault by blaming a woman for it."
 
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DrForester

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CygnusXS said:
I like it but I'd probably shorten it down to just, "Donald, which Clinton do you think you're running against?"
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There's really no wrong way for her to phrase it, but I think her tying her being a woman to his continued insults against women would make for a great moment.
 
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HTupolev

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DrForester said:
Trump interrupts Clinton every time she tries to talk. He regurgitates things about emails and Benghazi. He saves his attack on bill for the end of the debate, in hopes of hitting Clinton with a "surprise" at the end like she did with Machado.

And all Clinton needs to do is say something along the lines of, "Donald, I know you don't respect women, and you wish you were debating my Husband and not me. But you need to accept that I am your opponent, not my Husband."
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CygnusXS said:
I like it but I'd probably shorten it down to just, "Donald, which Clinton do you think you're running against?"
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It's probably not that simple. If he goes after Bill, he'll likely include the matter of Hillary participating in investigations/whatever toward the women. Hillary's response will have to be more nuanced, and she'll potentially have practiced multiple variations to use depending on how exactly Trump frames the accusation.
 
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benjipwns

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HTupolev said:
It's probably not that simple. If he goes after Bill, he'll likely include the matter of Hillary participating in investigations/whatever toward the women. Hillary's response will have to be more nuanced, and she'll potentially have practiced multiple variations to use depending on how exactly Trump frames the accusation.
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Hillary's luck is that Trump can't frame the charge properly, most conservatives can't either because they can't frame it from "the left/social justice/etc." point of view because they don't understand it. And Trump can't do it for additional reasons. His stuff has to be pithy. Low energy, Lyin' Ted, Tiny Marco, etc.
 
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Paskil

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Hillary is one savvy motherfucker. I expect at least one incredulous look into the camera moment. If you're sensitive enough, you might feel her looking into your heart to gather energy for her spirit bomb. I'll probably scqueam
(squee+scream)
when she does it.
 
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