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[jtb]

anyways, i think the people who so desperately wanted to believe that hillary was the right candidate (myself included) are the ones who are most deeply disappointed in her bone-headed campaign and utter failure of a candidacy.

i mean, i'm not angry because i want want to prove how i was right. i'm angry because i wasn't right, we failed, and we really couldn't afford to.

 

[Mr.Mike]

So people should probably start archiving all of Trump's tweets and the videos of him saying terrible things, no? If only to save some primary sources for future generations.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

So people should probably start archiving all of Trump's tweets and the videos of him saying terrible things, no?

Don't we legally have to? Aren't they part of the public record now?

 

[PBY]

anyways, i think the people who so desperately wanted to believe that hillary was the right candidate (myself included) are the ones who are most deeply disappointed in her bone-headed campaign and utter failure of a candidacy.

i mean, i'm not angry because i want want to prove how i was right. i'm angry because i wasn't right, we failed, and we really couldn't afford to.

I don't think she was the "wrong" candidate necessarily.

I do think she was already working uphill, and reading about her campaign post-election is absolutely shocking to me.

They let us all fucking down.

 

[Pixieking]

It's soul searching over the fact that that may have been the last presidential election in a long time.

Trump is nearly identical to Maduro except way less intelligent and that's really disturbing.

Anti government militia aren't going to sit by as King Trump takes over. There's a reason why the second amendment exists, and why people like it.

Also, is there an email address for Hillary? I sent a message through her campaign site, but that's rather indirect, so...

 

[Mr.Mike]

Don't we legally have to? Aren't they part of the public record now?

Going forward, maybe? I'm not really familiar with the laws. But I'm thinking making sure there are original, unaltered copies held by non-government institutions, perhaps in secret, of everything including the stuff before the election.

 

[RustyNails]

anyways, i think the people who so desperately wanted to believe that hillary was the right candidate (myself included) are the ones who are most deeply disappointed in her bone-headed campaign and utter failure of a candidacy.

i mean, i'm not angry because i want want to prove how i was right. i'm angry because i wasn't right, we failed, and we really couldn't afford to.

Dont forget lot of us in here donated to Hillary and have all sorts of campaign swag. If anything I'm energized for 2020 and cautiously optimistic about 2018. I think we really have a shot at creating a new democratic party that appeals to working class voters everywhere, not just in the midwest, with progressive ideas and diverse leadership.

 

[Totakeke]

Is there any evidence that Bernie supporters actually abstained from voting?

Because if they did, that's another win for obstructionism. It's crazy how much you can do by just being unwilling to cooperate. It's insane GOP pulled all that shit off and did not get punished for anything.

 

[whyamihere]

This, I agree with.

@mattyglesias
The case for Ellison --> A renewed left-populism is necessary but can only work if it's led by people of color.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

This, I agree with.

Seems about right

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Don't we legally have to? Aren't they part of the public record now?

The stuff @POTUS is I'm pretty sure. Don't know about his personal Twitter.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Hillary's campaign strategy was to bet hard on the basic human decency of moderate white people. She thought that they couldn't vote for a man who came inches away from shouting "Retard!" or the n-word. She also bet hard on the idea that Americans wanted competency.

She and Obama were wrong.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

This, I agree with.

I think it's plausible that's true. The white working class don't trust a minority party without economic populism; minorities don't trust an economic populist party without minority representation. You need both blocs! Ellison is the bridge between Sanders and Clinton supporters, I think, in a way I'm unconvinced Dean could manage.

 

[pigeon]

This, I agree with.

I'm with Ellison.

 

[kirblar]

This, I agree with.

Following Shinra's logic from the other day, I'm pretty sure the Dems should be nominating charismatic PoC for Pres every time when possible.

 

[teiresias]

It's soul searching over the fact that that may have been the last presidential election in a long time.

Trump is nearly identical to Maduro except way less intelligent and that's really disturbing.

You know I'm all for worrying about the consequences of this election, but that's just paranoid, particularly since it's questionable whether Trump even actually wants the damn job.

 

[aspiegamer]

There was already an effectively infinite treasure trove of incredibly stupid/awful things Trump has said over the years and he managed to get elected anyway. Just because there'll be a full "official" record going forward doesn't change anything. The man proudly broadcasts his existence.

 

[Grexeno]

I wonder if maybe going forward politicians should just curse like a sailor in public to prove how "real" they are.

 

[googleplex]

This idea that NAFTA and free trade in general are a bad thing is one of the dumbest by-products of this election.

On of the most damaging thing that Bernie did was to convince an entire new generation of voters the Trade agreements are a bad thing.

 

[Gruco]

Hillary's campaign strategy was to bet hard on the basic human decency of moderate white people. She thought that they couldn't vote for a man who came inches away from shouting "Retard!" or the n-word. She also bet hard on the idea that Americans wanted competency.

She and Obama were wrong.

This is one of the reasons its hard for me to get that mad at the Clinton campaign, despite how serious the consequences are, and despite how many mistakes were made. Fundamentally, this was a failure of human decency. I can't blame one person for that.

 

[bachikarn]

It felt to me that the strategy they used was ideal for a generic D candidate. They probably shouldn't have been as aggressive trying to flip other states give she wasn't likable and the emails shit. Should have focused on just ensuring 270 as she was more susceptible to losing support quickly.

 

[VRMN]

This is one of the reasons its hard for me to get that mad at the Clinton campaign, despite how serious the consequences are, and despite how many mistakes were made. Fundamentally, this was a failure of human decency. I can't blame one person for that.

This. I wanted to believe their bet was right as well.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

On of the most damaging thing that Bernie did was to convince an entire new generation of voters the Trade agreements are a bad thing.

Obama was busy doing that in 2008. Sanders was late to that party!

 

[sphagnum]

Anti government militia aren't going to sit by as King Trump takes over. There's a reason why the second amendment exists, and why people like it.

Also, is there an email address for Hillary? I sent a message through her campaign site, but that's rather indirect, so...

Some of them, sure, but a lot of militia people are hyper racist white nationalists who love Trump. If Alex Jones is on Trump's side a bunch of them will be also.

 

[Gruco]

It felt to me that the strategy they used was ideal for a generic D candidate. They probably shouldn't have been as aggressive trying to flip other states give she wasn't likable and the emails shit. Should have focused on just ensuring 270 as she was more susceptible to losing support quickly.

Hindsight is 20/20. Pushing in a variety of states is important legislatively, for longer term purposes, and for insurance. Kerry and Gore both had a precise-route strategy which proved very fragile, whereas the Obama wins came across as very robust. All the insurance fell, but FL and NC in particular were worth fighting for.

Remember, a lot of the movement came in the last week, post Comey. If the campaign saw it sooner, and if the public/media saw it at all, the reaction might have been very different.

 

[Ashodin]

I'm with Ellison.

I'm totally on-board the Ellison train.

Black Muslim in the chair? Yes please. Nothing says "we're ready to move forward" than that type of leadership.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

They can call him whatever the fuck they want. Why do you care so much? This is a weird thing to reflect on after this election.

It bothered me before the election. Bothered me when I first saw it, just like the emperor obama crap I saw sometimes. The queen thing was much more prevalent than the emperor one though, so it was more annoying and people seem to wanna hang on to this silliness, but to each their own I guess.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Hillary's campaign strategy was to bet hard on the basic human decency of moderate white people. She thought that they couldn't vote for a man who came inches away from shouting "Retard!" or the n-word. She also bet hard on the idea that Americans wanted competency.

She and Obama were wrong.

I wonder you know how much her own salvation so to speak played into that.

Think of her background. She was a Republican, largely because that's the household she was raised in, supported Goldwater up until she saw his racism and opposition to civil rights. She saw wrongness and turned away from it and never looked back.

Trump is Goldwater on steroids... she probably believed that there were enough moral people like her who when faced with something so inherently wrong would reject it.

White folks rejected Goldwater, the last time white folks broke Democrat. She must have believed it would happen again on some meaningful level now 52 years later in what should be a less racist world... and she was devestatingly wrong.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Anti government militia aren't going to sit by as King Trump takes over. There's a reason why the second amendment exists, and why people like it.

The people that compose anti-government militias just got everything they could ever want.

 

[RastaMentality]

It bothered me before the election. Bothered me when I first saw it, just like the emperor obama crap I saw sometimes. The queen thing was much more prevalent than the emperor one though, so it was more annoying and people seem to wanna hang on to this silliness, but to each their own I guess.

It's a popular thing among the gay community in reference to drag queens. it's not an issue and it shouldn't be for you.

 

[sphagnum]

I think it's plausible that's true. The white working class don't trust a minority party without economic populism; minorities don't trust an economic populist party without minority representation. You need both blocs! Ellison is the bridge between Sanders and Clinton supporters, I think, in a way I'm unconvinced Dean could manage.

This is the path forward, and thankfully if it's pulled off then it can help put behind the weird notion that socialism is just for white college students.

 

[MHWilliams]

Following Shinra's logic from the other day, I'm pretty sure the Dems should be nominating charismatic PoC for Pres every time when possible.

This is largely the way forward.

 

[Ashodin]

It's a popular thing among the gay community in reference to drag queens. it's not an issue and it shouldn't be for you.

I think it's less about that and more about the euphoria surrounding what was likely to be thought as the next President.

 

[TumblingHippo]

All the POC and LGBT that are thinking about getting guns now to protect themselves are going to find out that the NRA isn't protecting their right to bare arms.

 

[thcsquad]

I'm with Ellison.

Yup. I think because he's a sitting congressmen that he'd be more of a symbolic head, but he's just about a perfect one at that.

I think a lot of the party heads who are retiring or lost races need to aggressively recruit candidates under the DNC banner. Kander, Reid, Obama, Biden, et al can do the legwork of building the party in all fifty states.

 

[Gruco]

Ellison is an encouraging choice. I am glad he is someone everyone can agree on. Huge, encouraging first step.

 

[faisal233]

I'm sorry but I'm fully behind Dean. Ellison should be the public face as co-chair or something.

 

[thefro]

All the POC and LGBT that are thinking about getting guns now to protect themselves are going to find out that the NRA isn't protecting their right to bare arms.

I think we also need to create/take over and pump up a Democratic alternative to the NRA for gun owners (and really hammer the NRA for being a puppet of gun corporations).

 

[sphagnum]

So, charismatic PoC without Wall Street ties. Who do we have for 2020?

Glad we've more or less agreed it doesn't have to be a white guy.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Ellison needs to tesign his seat though.

He cannot do both effectively.

 

[Grief.exe]

Is there any evidence that Bernie supporters actually abstained from voting?

Because if they did, that's another win for obstructionism. It's crazy how much you can do by just being unwilling to cooperate. It's insane GOP pulled all that shit off and did not get punished for anything.

8 years of holding the Government hostage proved to be the perfect strategy.

 

[faisal233]

So, charismatic PoC without Wall Street ties. Who do we have for 2020?

Glad we've more or less agreed it doesn't have to be a white guy.

This never works. The check box ticking to the perfect candidate.

Ofcourse we can all agree that it doesn't have to be a white guy, Obama has been the best president of my lifetime. But we should let our leaders emerge during this time, instead of trying to pick one to groom.

 

[Revolver]

Posted yet?

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President-elect Donald Trump shook up his transition team Friday as he plunged into the work of setting up his administration, elevating Vice President-elect Mike Pence to head the operations. The move, one of the first key decisions as Trump pivots from campaigning to governing, amounted to a demotion for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who had been running the planning for months.

Pence would be the first vice president-elect in at least 40 years to take on the hefty transition job, and it's a sign of Trump's confidence in him. During the campaign, Trump suggested his vice president would run "domestic and foreign policy."

Sounds like Christie is back to Mickey D runs. I heard someone the other day say that Pence is going to be the most powerful VP in history and that's just terrifying to me.

 

[Plinko]

Following Shinra's logic from the other day, I'm pretty sure the Dems should be nominating charismatic PoC for Pres every time when possible.

It doesn't have to be a PoC. The democrats just need anybody charismatic, although a PoC would be great.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You guys overthink everything so much. It doesn't matter what background the person is, they just have to be likeable and have a message. Bill was white but he connected with black voters, Obama was black but he connected with some white voters in rural towns. Sanders was an old Jewish guy but he connected with young voters of all types. There are plenty of people like that out there, it's just a question of whether they want to run.

 

[jtb]

resume/checkbox candidates leave us with people like john edwards

Spoiler

lol

 

[Gruco]

Whoever the next nominee is, it shouldn't be a robot we assemble. Democracy, it turns out, is the best way to figure out who is appealing.

Spoiler

Biden/Warren 2016

 

[Plinko]

You guys overthink everything so much. It doesn't matter what background the person is, they just have to be likeable and have a message. Bill was white but he connected with black voters, Obama was black but he connected with some white voters in rural towns. Sanders was an old Jewish guy but he connected with young voters of all types. There are plenty of people like that out there, it's just a question of whether they want to run.

Yep. Good message, likeable, shows that he cares about all races and classes.

 

[faisal233]

Posted yet?



Sounds like Christie is back to Mickey D runs. I heard someone the other day say that Pence is going to be the most powerful VP in history and that's just terrifying to me.

run "domestic and foreign policy."

Be president. One of the most conservative and disliked politicians as de facto president.

 

[Grief.exe]

You guys overthink everything so much. It doesn't matter what background the person is, they just have to be likeable and have a message. Bill was white but he connected with black voters, Obama was black but he connected with some white voters in rural towns. Sanders was an old Jewish guy but he connected with young voters of all types. There are plenty of people like that out there, it's just a question of whether they want to run.

In the 2020 primary I'm purely basingy vote along these lines. Policies are irrelevant in the modern era. Who is the most exciting candidate.