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[CaptainSchwann]

I was just in the breakroom at work where some ABC special showed a clip from the first debate. It was where Clinton asked why Donald hadn't released his tax returns. A girl I work with just blurted out "WHY DID YOU EREASE YOUR EMAILS". I tried explaning to her why that waas wrong to her and she just ended up telling me "Whatever. We need to be done with all these fake democrats like Clinton and Trump and get a Republican like Obama back in".

I think I'm done trying to have a rational discussion here.

 

[Elaugaufein]

http://www.newnownext.com/log-cabin-republicans-trump-administration/11/2016/?xrs=synd_facebook_logo



No. Fuck Log cabin Republicans. Fuck them. Fuck them fuck them fuck them.

Why ? If they can actually keep Pence and his ilk in check and avoid getting anti-LGBT Supreme Court justices appointed they are working towards the same goals as you. Even if they are being asses in that announcement.

 

[metalslimer]

Meanwhile...



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?_r=0&referer=

Yup. He's a real genius all right.

More and more I'm starting to think that Trump really didn't want to be president.

On one hand, this may be good for Muslims. On the other hand this is really bad for the lgbt community.

 

[Wilsongt]

Why ? If they can actually keep Pence and his ilk in check and avoid getting anti-LGBT Supreme Court justices appointed they are working towards the same goals as you. Even if they are being asses in that announcement.

When was the last time they were successful at getting Republicans to do anything pro-LGBT?

 

[whyamihere]

Um, how many Hillary ads did I see staring neocons attacking Trump. Like a billion?

You saw ads paid by Hillary Clinton in the primary starring neoconservatives attacking Trump as a means to elevate him in the eyes of the Republican base.

Where?

 

[Suikoguy]

Why ? If they can actually keep Pence and his ilk in check and avoid getting anti-LGBT Supreme Court justices appointed they are working towards the same goals as you. Even if they are being asses in that announcement.

When have they actually accomplished anything?

Like seriously, i'm asking.

*Glances over at GOP Platform*

 

[thehypocrite]

Meanwhile...



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?_r=0&referer=

Yup. He's a real genius all right.

More and more I'm starting to think that Trump really didn't want to be president.

Stop underestimating him and the GOP. Look at the election results. Look at the Senate, the House and the SC, Voter restriction laws. Now tell me why we need to be complacent. We can all be more humble. Is he less of a threat cause he ain't a genius? Do we get electoral votes changed because of that? Is he even less of a person cause he ain't a genius? We need to be past these attitudes.

 

[Debirudog]

Um, how many Hillary ads did I see staring neocons attacking Trump. Like a billion?

Also, Hillary stans attacking Bernie bros was something of a pastime of theirs for the past couple months. It was basically a continuation of PUMA.

Because the more irate Bernie supporters weren't guilty either. Are you ever gonna let it go???

 

[excelsiorlef]

Stop underestimating him and the GOP. Look at the election results. Look at the Senate, the House and the SC, Voter restriction laws. Now tell me why we need to be complacent. We can all be more humble. Is he less of a threat cause he ain't a genius? Do we get electoral votes changed because of that? Is he even less of a person cause he ain't a genius? We need to be past these attitudes.

?

You're accusing pigeon of being complacent?

 

[Elaugaufein]

When was the last time they were successful at getting Republicans to do anything pro-LGBT?

Never. But this would be an extremely good time for that to change and Trump seems incredibly malleable in some ways , so maybe it could work. He's obviously not a true believer or even particularly bound to the true believers. If they screw it up, then sure, you're fully justified m

 

[PInk Tape]

I was just in the breakroom at work where some ABC special showed a clip from the first debate. It was where Clinton asked why Donald hadn't released his tax returns. A girl I work with just blurted out "WHY DID YOU ERASE YOUR EMAILS". I tried explaining to her why that was wrong to her and she just ended up telling me "Whatever. We need to be done with all these fake democrats like Clinton and Trump and get a Republican like Obama back in".

I think I'm done trying to have a rational discussion here.

Uhh

Why does she think Trump's a Dem and Obama is a Republican? Is it one of those conspiracy things?

 

[Debirudog]

I would not say Trump is a genius but we can't be complacent because of how Wikileaks, FBI and Russia turned out. Furthermore, people care a lot about perception these days. I think the DNC needs to be more careful and clean with a better candidate and a good diversity of voices. That's it.

 

[Wilsongt]

Never. But this would be an extremely good time for that to change and Trump seems incredibly malleable in some ways , so maybe it could work. He's obviously not a true believer or even particularly bound to the true believers. If they screw it up, then sure, you're fully justified m

If things don't go to complete shit for LGBT individuals I will eat my shoe. The only time I have ever seen a Republican stand up for LGBT individuals was in SC when Nikki Haley basically told a shitbag of an update Republican that there was no need for a transphobic bathroom bill because there were already laws in place.

 

[thehypocrite]

?

You're accusing pigeon of being complacent?

No. Not my intent. I apologize if it comes like that. I'm cautious about statements that underestimate a candidate that executed a strategy that almost none of us saw coming.

 

[RastaMentality]

http://www.newnownext.com/log-cabin-republicans-trump-administration/11/2016/?xrs=synd_facebook_logo



No. Fuck Log cabin Republicans. Fuck them. Fuck them fuck them fuck them.

White gays lol.

 

[Glix]

Guys ive been trying to hold it together but im so scared

Im so scared about them dismantling our entire system of checks and balances while they have the chance.

Ppl say they wont kill the filibuster because they might need it someday...
Everyone knows as time goes on the demographics shift further away from them.
They dont care if they cant fillabust in the future. They are a dying cornered animal.
They are going to do DRASTIC things while they have the power because they know they may never have it again.

Its fucking terrifying

 

[mackaveli]

I was just in the breakroom at work where some ABC special showed a clip from the first debate. It was where Clinton asked why Donald hadn't released his tax returns. A girl I work with just blurted out "WHY DID YOU EREASE YOUR EMAILS". I tried explaning to her why that waas wrong to her and she just ended up telling me "Whatever. We need to be done with all these fake democrats like Clinton and Trump and get a Republican like Obama back in".

I think I'm done trying to have a rational discussion here.

How can that be real. Obama is a republican I would have just started laughing. You ssould have asked her more questions. I would be intrigued if I witnessed that and would have had at least ask more in-depth questions to determine how one can think that. Like where is this person getting their news from.

 

[lednerg]

Because the more irate Bernie supporters weren't guilty either. Are you ever gonna let it go???

Are you telling me that white women were Bernie bros?

Look, Bernie resonated with people that Hillary never could. He had the independents, people who couldn't vote in closed primaries. DWS's DNC ignored all this and continued to support her anyway, despite her lackluster numbers vs Trump.

 

[Elaugaufein]

Because the more irate Bernie supporters weren't guilty either. Are you ever gonna let it go???

You seem to forget that OT GAF was Hillary central. You're copping it now because people were dishing it out for months, to the point, that Bernie supporters would get contemptuously digpiled out of PoliGAF because HillGAF were the ones who could win the election (frequently coupled with at the least implications they were racist and/or sexist) and now Hillary lost the election.

Which I think is bad form so soon but it's pretty bad form to have people who were having none of that reconciliation stuff before call for it now too.

 

[Totakeke]

I think I'm reliving election night shock reading that NYT article about Trump still wanting to hold rallies.

Who did America elect to be president? My brain cannot comprehend.

 

[PBY]

You seem to forget that OT GAF was Hillary central. You're copping it now because people were dishing it out for months, to the point, that Bernie supporters would get contemptuously digpiled out of PoliGAF because HillGAF were the ones who could win the election (frequently coupled with at the least implications they were racist and/or sexist) and now Hillary lost the election.

Which I think is bad form so soon but it's pretty bad form to have people who were having none of that reconciliation stuff before call for it now too.

Not sure the bolded is necessarily true, BUT - there was such pro-Hillary slant, that even throughout the primaries, we were fucking BLIND to her real issues.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Guys ive been trying to hold it together but im so scared

Im so scared about them dismantling our entire system of checks and balances while they have the chance.

Ppl say they wont kill the filibuster because they might need it someday...
Everyone knows as time goes on the demographics shift further away from them.
They dont care if they cant fillabust in the future. They are a dying cornered animal.
They are going to do DRASTIC things while they have the power because they know they may never have it again.

Its fucking terrifying

Take the fear and use it to make it into something positive. You gotta try.

Try getting more involved through donations, memberships, volunteering, running for office, becoming more informed, informing others.

 

[mackaveli]

Guys ive been trying to hold it together but im so scared

Im so scared about them dismantling our entire system of checks and balances while they have the chance.

Ppl say they wont kill the filibuster because they might need it someday...
Everyone knows as time goes on the demographics shift further away from them.
They dont care if they cant fillabust in the future. They are a dying cornered animal.
They are going to do DRASTIC things while they have the power because they know they may never have it again.

Its fucking terrifying

The media and the people have to be that check now. Just constant protests, outrage, and unrest will keep this in the news for the next four years. If people let their guard down and it appears everything is normal then no one will care. But if non-stop media covers a daily protest everyday then perhaps they won't try and gut the system because everyone is watching.

They will gut the system if everything appears normal and they think they can get away with it because no one is watching. But if the people protest and let their voices be heard, the media hopefully does it's job and asks the tough questions and ask why is this happening. It's happening because they are trying to get rid of Muslims, or take away LGBTQ rights, or cancel the Paris agreement, etc.,. Or it's on social media so everyone is talking about it and it goes viral so the media has to cover it.

No one can be asleep because when you fall asleep and wake up everything could be gutted.

 

[Suikoguy]

Not sure the bolded is necessarily true, BUT - there was such pro-Hillary slant, that even throughout the primaries, we were fucking BLIND to her real issues.

I must have posted at some other forum.


Also, would you guys please quit responding to Elaugaufein and lednerg. They are not interested in having a conversation. It's shitting up the thread and when you reply you make it worse.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Are you telling me that white women were Bernie bros?

Look, Bernie resonated with people that Hillary never could. He had the independents, people who couldn't vote in closed primaries. DWS's DNC ignored all this and continued to support her anyway, despite her lackluster numbers vs Trump.

Open primaries would have saved him! After all he had such huge success with his 1/17 or so track record

I must have posted at some other forum.


Also, would you guys please quit responding to Elaugaufein and lednerg. They are not interested in having a conversation. It's shitting up the thread and when you reply you make it worse.

Yeah you're probably right.

 

[PInk Tape]

Yeah I'm sure Obama's part of a party that peddles the theory that he's a Muslim that was born in Kenya.

 

[metalslimer]

Lednerg doesn't give a shit that minorities overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. This was of course the huge point of contention in the primaries where Bernie said some not so nice things about the south where black people finally get their say.

Like I've moved past it because he put in some great work and worked his ass off in this election but I'm not going to pretend people who were complaining about the southern states having so much sway in the primaries didn't deserve my scorn.

 

[Totakeke]

I wasn't in PoliGAF until close to the election. With all the criticisms about PoliGAF and NeoGAF being an echo chamber, the only thing that lednerg seems to want now, since the arguments often go back to the same thing, is an echo chamber of Hillary supporters castrating themselves and surrendering to Bernie supporters.

 

[Debirudog]

You seem to forget that OT GAF was Hillary central. You're copping it now because people were dishing it out for months, to the point, that Bernie supporters would get contemptuously digpiled out of PoliGAF because HillGAF were the ones who could win the election (frequently coupled with at the least implications they were racist and/or sexist) and now Hillary lost the election.

Which I think is bad form so soon but it's pretty bad form to have people who were having none of that reconciliation stuff before call for it now too.

I don't believe this, OT threads had plenty of Bernie supporters and some of them acted just as aggressive and mean towards Hillary supporters. Some of them couldn't handle the fact that Bernie's message did not resonate with minorities. I felt both sides were frustrated with each other and unfortunately ugliness pursued. There not innocent either.

They were attacks on Hillary because "she had a vagina" or raised her voice or said shit that would naturally piss Hillary supporters off. To argue Bernie supporters were the good guys seemed unfair when it's not guaranteed that their candidate would win as well.

in short, yes, some Bernie supporters get attacked unfairly but pretending one side is some sainthood or victim is unfair in itself.

Me, personally, I'll just argue Biden was better than the both of them in retrospect so this gloating, dragging and guilt tripping just feels like a waste of time with every single week. We admit Hillary was a bad candidate but why should we be forced to believe Bernie is any better?

At least the Hypocrite and Crab wants to talk about how to rebuild the DNC and made valid points that I agree with.

 

[Crocodile]

You seem to forget that OT GAF was Hillary central. You're copping it now because people were dishing it out for months, to the point, that Bernie supporters would get contemptuously digpiled out of PoliGAF because HillGAF were the ones who could win the election (frequently coupled with at the least implications they were racist and/or sexist) and now Hillary lost the election.

Which I think is bad form so soon but it's pretty bad form to have people who were having none of that reconciliation stuff before call for it now too.

Not sure the bolded is necessarily true, BUT - there was such pro-Hillary slant, that even throughout the primaries, we were fucking BLIND to her real issues.

Here's the actual "timeline":

GAF starts out pretty Pro-Sanders (I think we're generally on the young side) -> primary starts -> Sanders starts losing -> his campaign becomes more aggressive -> Lean Sanders people and Clinton people get increasingly annoyed by some of these actions -> tensions rise -> primary ends & Sanders + Clinton reconcile but supporters still lightly barb each other from time to time

The climate of OT changed over the course of the primary. It's didn't start Pro-Clinton and stayed there, it started Pro-Sanders and gradually moved towards Pro-Clinton.

Also, when we were talking about issues of diet racism, it was in response to the fact that some Sanders supporters couldn't understand why Sanders was, overall, bombing with minorities and some of them started saying stupid stuff. With diet sexism, I mostly remember issues of problematic word choice or how sometimes the Sanders campaign (not necessarily Sanders himself) would attack any institution that didn't support it like PP and Emily's List.

 

[Glix]

Thanks peeps. I keep crying. Even just reading your replies.

Ive always been the kind of guy who challenges friends and family when they are closed minded...

But im a new yorker and so are they and its not enough.

Im 37. And lazy and tired and i work hard and im a pothead and id rather be at home. But I cant stay home anymore. I have to get more involved. I have to help. Because this isnt okay.

Im a jew. We grow up with the holocost constantly in our lives. Even a secular suburbs jew like myself. We are taught everything about it. All of my alarms are ringing like crazy. (Im not trying to go into hyperbole here, im not saying there will be a holocost, but i am saying that an unstoppable nationalist power may dismantle the safety valves in our government to ensure absolute power)

I have to sit here and listen to other jews tell me they voted for a guy who was endorsed by the kkk because it was "better for israel"

Are you out of your fucking mind????

"First they came for the socialists..." just keeps playing in my head over and over

 

[Debirudog]

Here's the actual "timeline":

GAF starts out pretty Pro-Sanders (I think we're generally on the young side) -> primary starts -> Sanders starts losing -> his campaign becomes more aggressive -> Lean Sanders people and Clinton people get increasingly annoyed by some of these actions -> tensions rise -> primary ends & Sanders + Clinton reconcile but supporters still lightly barb each other from time to time

The climate of OT changed over the course of the primary. It's didn't start Pro-Clinton and stayed there, it started Pro-Sanders and gradually moved towards Pro-Clinton.

this is a more accurate and fair assessment.

 

[Elaugaufein]

I must have posted at some other forum.


Also, would you guys please quit responding to Elaugaufein and lednerg. They are not interested in having a conversation. It's shitting up the thread and when you reply you make it worse.

What makes you think I'm not interested in discussion ? I'm not in the run the Clinton supporters out of the Democrats group (thats dumb). And I'm definitely not in favour of abandoning minority or womens rights because I'm extremely pro civil liberties. I'm also genuinely interested in US politics and the way it works, if nothing else because you have a very strong influence on my country.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Thanks Obama opens back up to allow for heartfelt thanks to the man.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThanksObama/

Who here has onions? Someone must have onions.

 

[PInk Tape]

There's no point in saying that Bernie may have been the better candidate because it's not gonna change a damn thing. Cheeto Puff is still president.

At this point, the only reason why someone is even entertaining this idea is to feel justified and superior that they may have been right.

 

[Goodstyle]

'Member when conservatives slutshamed Michelle for exposing her bare arms? I 'member.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Meanwhile...



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?_r=0&referer=

Yup. He's a real genius all right.

More and more I'm starting to think that Trump really didn't want to be president.

lets see how he acts once in office

I honestly have no idea how he'll work

 

[Cat]

Guys ive been trying to hold it together but im so scared

Im so scared about them dismantling our entire system of checks and balances while they have the chance.

Ppl say they wont kill the filibuster because they might need it someday...
Everyone knows as time goes on the demographics shift further away from them.
They dont care if they cant fillabust in the future. They are a dying cornered animal.
They are going to do DRASTIC things while they have the power because they know they may never have it again.

Its fucking terrifying

I'm scared too.

If you're interested, here's a link, http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival.html, recommended by other women I respect on Twitter.

If you're on Twitter, read and follow Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior. She is a writer who has been frighteningly accurate predicting things in the past year. She is well-informed, compassionate, and analytical. She has a PhD studying authoritarian states.

 

[Totakeke]

I'd like to think even a reality show would have selected a better president than Trump. At least reality shows have judges as the gatekeepers.

 

[Dan]

Why the fuck is Trump's entire damn family part of the 60 Minutes interview?

And good god he's a moron.

LESLEY STAHL: Let me ask you about Obamacare, which you say you’re going to repeal and replace. When you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with pre-conditions are still covered?

DONALD TRUMP: Yes. Because it happens to be one of the strongest assets.

LESLEY STAHL: You’re going to keep it?

DONALD TRUMP: Also, with the children living with their parents for an extended period, we’re going to...

LESLEY STAHL: You’re going to keep that?

DONALD TRUMP: ... very much try and keep that. It adds cost, but it’s very much something we’re going to try and keep.

LESLEY STAHL: And there’s going to be a period if you repeal it and before you replace it, when millions of people...

DONALD TRUMP: No.

LESLEY STAHL: ...will be--no?

DONALD TRUMP: We’re going to do it simultaneously. It’ll be just fine. That’s what I do. I do a good job. You know, I mean, I know how to do this stuff. We’re going to repeal it and replace it. And we’re not going to have, like, a two-day period and we’re not going to have a two-year period where there’s nothing. It will be repealed and replaced. I mean, you’ll know. And it’ll be great health care for much less money.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Here's the actual "timeline":

GAF starts out pretty Pro-Sanders (I think we're generally on the young side) -> primary starts -> Sanders starts losing -> his campaign becomes more aggressive -> Lean Sanders people and Clinton people get increasingly annoyed by some of these actions -> tensions rise -> primary ends & Sanders + Clinton reconcile but supporters still lightly barb each other from time to time

The climate of OT changed over the course of the primary. It's didn't start Pro-Clinton and stayed there, it started Pro-Sanders and gradually moved towards Pro-Clinton.

Also, when we were talking about issues of diet racism, it was in response to the fact that some Sanders supporters couldn't understand why Sanders was, overall, bombing with minorities and some of them started saying stupid stuff. With diet sexism, I mostly remember issues of problematic word choice or how sometimes the Sanders campaign (not necessarily Sanders himself) would attack any institution that didn't support it like PP and Emily's List.

I'd just ad that for some the shift away from Sanders came earlier, I was an early Sanders supporter but wasn't really active on GAF about it because I just wasn't that active on GAF back then, then the data theft and his response to that happened in December and I got a little concerned and then the "Planned Parenthood is the establishment" fiasco happened in January and that was it for me.

Those two events I think were pretty key and those came pretty early.

 

[PInk Tape]

Thanks Obama opens back up to allow for heartfelt thanks to the man.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThanksObama/

Who here has onions? Someone must have onions.

It's nice to see some positivity towards Obama. We'll all miss him ;__;

 

[mackaveli]

Why the fuck is Trump's entire damn family part of the 60 Minutes interview?

And good god he's a moron.

If somehow he doesn't completely gut Obamacare and saves it I will laugh in a good way. I know Ryan wants to gut it and do some crazy shit. But what if Trump somehow got universal health care in America. haha.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Thanks Obama opens back up to allow for heartfelt thanks to the man.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThanksObama/

Who here has onions? Someone must have onions.

History will remember him as one of the greats. The right man at the right time for the job. We needed Obama after the darkness of the Bush years.

We don't deserve Obama.

If somehow he doesn't completely gut Obamacare and saves it I will laugh in a good way. I know Ryan wants to gut it and do some crazy shit. But what if Trump somehow got universal health care in America. haha.

Hey, if Trump can get the WWC on board with universal health care, I won't complain

It's not like he hasn't supported it in the past.

 

[UltimaPooh]

If somehow he doesn't completely gut Obamacare and saves it I will laugh in a good way. I know Ryan wants to gut it and do some crazy shit. But what if Trump somehow got universal health care in America. haha.

Anything is possible in this post election world.

But I wouldn't count on it.

If anything happens they'll gut it and keep the good stuff with no way to pay for it and our deficit and budgets would balloon.

 

[Dan]

Anything is possible in this post election world.

But I wouldn't count on it.

If anything happens they'll gut it and keep the good stuff with no way to pay for it and our deficit and budgets would balloon.

BINGO.

The next Democratic president gets to clean up the mess while congressional Republicans rail against the debt.

 

[mackaveli]

History will remember him as one of the greats. The right man at the right time for the job. We needed Obama after the darkness of the Bush years.

We don't deserve Obama.



Hey, if Trump can get the WWC on board with universal health care, I won't complain

It's not like he hasn't supported it in the past.

Man you know Trump actually could probably sell a lot of social issues to his base and if the Republican's didn't agree he could get his supporters to fight back at them to get congress to act I bet. Like Trump could have done a lot of good with his megaphone and become one of the best presidents I bet if he actually had a brain. But instead he decided to fill his cabinet with the Alt-Right. Just imagine him shouting at his rally we want health care, or no person should die on the street because no access to health care.

His base would eat it up I bet and start chanting too. Trump has his base believe and shout whatever he wants them to. Too bad he will use it for evil instead of good.

edit - I'm actually quite surprised Ivanka hasn't had more influence now that he is the President elect and convince him to like actually hire competent people instead of the Alt-Right. Isn't Ivanka suppose to be liberal and somewhat a Democrat? Perhaps she can persuade him further to select decent people. She is our only hope but I doubt it. When will Trump actually made official announcements on his cabinet and other staff? Will it be a couple here and there all the way up to January 20th?

 

[PInk Tape]

If somehow he doesn't completely gut Obamacare and saves it I will laugh in a good way. I know Ryan wants to gut it and do some crazy shit. But what if Trump somehow got universal health care in America. haha.

I could see him doing something positive on accident. What that might be, who knows.

 

[VendettaRed07]

If we have any sort of terrorist attack man I don't know.

We are already so shook right now. Can you fucking imagine this guy trying to cool everyone down?

Regardless of whatever GWB was.. He did well to calm people a bit shortly after 9/11. He at least inspired some sort of assurance. What the fuck happens now.

 

[Boke1879]

If somehow he doesn't completely gut Obamacare and saves it I will laugh in a good way. I know Ryan wants to gut it and do some crazy shit. But what if Trump somehow got universal health care in America. haha.

The downside is it'll have his name on it and people will believe he did exactly what he said he did.

But he clearly has no idea what the fuck he's talking about and still can't offer specifics even if they are lies. It's just "I'll fix it because I can and it'll cost less".